Focused Feedback: Remote/Temporal Bomb

[eiynp]

was any thought given to having the bomb detonate when the target dies, rather than dropping to the ground? That seems like a more elegant approach to me, since it's hard to think of a situation where you'd actually want it to drop off

[kenlon]

I just came to this thread to post the exact same idea - having the bomb go off when the target enemy dies just feels like a smoother experience to me.

[Major_Decoy]

5 hours ago, eiynp said:

was any thought given to having the bomb detonate when the target dies, rather than dropping to the ground? That seems like a more elegant approach to me, since it's hard to think of a situation where you'd actually want it to drop off

I think this would make it difficult to use in certain Archvillain fights.

[@T3h Ish]

While not specifically leveraged towards Temporal Bomb, Remote Bomb and Detonator, I think it might be a good time to address the interrupt on Trip Mine for /Traps at the same time since we're adjusting the underutilized T9 power in Traps and Devices.

But, narrowly towards the new changes to the /Traps and /Devices T9, it's quite fun and i've had a literal blast with it.

[Psyonico]

Still cannot slot Synapse's Shock set into Temporal Bomb on controllers, have not tried it on other toons.

[Player-1]

2 hours ago, Psyonico said:

Still cannot slot Synapse's Shock set into Temporal Bomb on controllers, have not tried it on other toons.

 

This will be fixed in the next build.

[eiynp]

19 hours ago, Major_Decoy said:

I think this would make it difficult to use in certain Archvillain fights.

would it? I mean you could always detonate it manually also

[Uun]

The version of Detonator on live for nonhuman henchmen ignores enhancements in the power and looks to the slotting of the henchman targeted. Hence, most people just slotted recharge in Detonator. The new version (which summons a higher damage pseudo-pet) is now affected by enhancements in the power. While the new version is supposed to provide the same damage regardless of the henchman targeted, the damage and accuracy appear to be affected by the level shift if used on a minion henchman. I'm getting substantially lower damage and lower tohit chance when used on a minion henchman vs. a lieutenant.

Edited February 9 by Uun
Combat Attributes error

[Major_Decoy]

On 2/7/2024 at 11:46 AM, eiynp said:

would it? I mean you could always detonate it manually also

Oh, right. Then, yes, not a problem.

[Uun]

17 hours ago, Uun said:

The version of Detonator on live for nonhuman henchmen ignores enhancements in the power and looks to the slotting of the henchman targeted. Hence, most people just slotted recharge in Detonator. The new version (which summons a higher damage pseudo-pet) is now affected by enhancements in the power. While the new version is supposed to provide the same damage regardless of the henchman targeted, the damage and accuracy appear to be affected by the level shift if used on a minion henchman. I'm getting substantially lower damage and lower tohit chance when used on a minion henchman vs. a lieutenant.

Further testing in PI vs. lvl 50 Possessed Scientists. Detonator slotted w/ attuned Bombardment: dmg/rech, acc/dmg/rech (+47.7% dmg). +31.25% damage bonuses. Alpha unslotted. [see below - damage enhancements in Detonator have no effect]

Minion (lvl 48): 477 dmg

Lieutenant (lvl 49): 554 dmg

Boss (lvl 50): 614 dmg

Edited February 9 by Uun
Fixed minion slotting

[tidge]

1 hour ago, Uun said:

Further testing in PI vs. lvl 50 Possessed Scientists. Detonator slotted w/ attuned Bombardment: dmg/rech, acc/dmg/rech (+47.7% dmg). +31.25% damage bonuses. Alpha unslotted.

Minion (lvl 48): 349 dmg

Lieutenant (lvl 49): 554 dmg

Boss (lvl 50): 614 dmg

 

Were you able to detonate an Acid Mortar, FFG or a P2W pet?

[Uun]

14 hours ago, tidge said:

Were you able to detonate an Acid Mortar, FFG or a P2W pet?

I was able to detonate a FFG, but it does substantially less damage than detonating a henchman.

[Captain Powerhouse]

The damage done by the Detonator no longer uses the target's modifiers, but it still uses their level, so a T1 pet will inflict lower damage and have lower accuracy. 

It also depends exclusively on the enhancements set on pet instead of those set on the Detonator power. Not sure why that power was ever set to accept enhancements given how it works.

[Uun]

4 minutes ago, Captain Powerhouse said:

The damage done by the Detonator no longer uses the target's modifiers, but it still uses their level, so a T1 pet will inflict lower damage and have lower accuracy. 

It also depends exclusively on the enhancements set on pet instead of those set on the Detonator power. Not sure why that power was ever set to accept enhancements given how it works.

Thanks for confirming. The Detailed Info displayed in game for the Time Bomb pet does increase if damage is slotted in Detonator. Testing confirmed that actual damage is unaffected by damage enhancements in Detonator and bears no relation to the amount displayed in Detailed Info.

[Captain Powerhouse]

I considered removing those accepted enhancements, but that would mean anyone using it for set bonuses would likely lose the set bonuses until they respeced and placed them somewhere else. 

[csr]

1 hour ago, Captain Powerhouse said:

The damage done by the Detonator no longer uses the target's modifiers, but it still uses their level, so a T1 pet will inflict lower damage and have lower accuracy. 

It also depends exclusively on the enhancements set on pet instead of those set on the Detonator power. Not sure why that power was ever set to accept enhancements given how it works.

 

Does it inherit buffs such as Fulcrum Shift on the pet?  Iirc Trip Mine inherits buffs on the MM, but Detonator doesn't on Live (I haven't had Detonator in a build in quite some time).

Edited February 9 by csr

[Captain Powerhouse]

As far as I can see, Trip mines does not inherit buffs. The Dominator Assault version does but that one is setup extremely differently and with way lower base damage.

 

I doubt Detonator inherit pets but cant hunt that one down ATM to verify.

[Uun]

On 2/9/2024 at 9:46 AM, Captain Powerhouse said:

I considered removing those accepted enhancements, but that would mean anyone using it for set bonuses would likely lose the set bonuses until they respeced and placed them somewhere else. 

I would support removing damage and accuracy from accepted enhancements. I believe only recharge, end reduction and range do anything (not sure about knockback). I suspect that far more people slot the power to enhance it (not realizing the enhancements do nothing) than are slotting it for the set bonuses. At the very least, it needs a comment in the description that the power looks to the henchman's slotting for damage and accuracy.

[Psyonico]

On 2/7/2024 at 10:15 AM, Player-1 said:

 

This will be fixed in the next build.

I hate to be "that guy" but it appears you still cannot slot endmod sets into Temporal Bomb

[Player-1]

11 hours ago, Psyonico said:

I hate to be "that guy" but it appears you still cannot slot endmod sets into Temporal Bomb

 

Was this on a particular Archetype? 

[Psyonico]

It was on my controller, I can test defender if needed as well.

[Psyonico]

just confirmed, cannot slot on my Traps defender as well.

 

[Player-1]

Enemy-facing procs such as Ice Minstrel and Energy Manipulator work as expected, though there may be oddities with Performance Shifter. Are you able to test Energy Manipulator? If you are not able to slot them at all there may be a separate issue.

[Psyonico]

I'm trying to slot Synapse's Shock and when I grab the enhancement the slots are all grayed out, so I can't slot them at all.

[Psyonico]

just tried slotting Synapse's Shock again on both my controller and my defender with no luck, all slots are grayed out and won't accept the IOs.

 

edit: I can't even slot a common End Mod IO in the power.

Edited February 15 by Psyonico