HiddenWings Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) Greetings! I'm one of the many players looking to really get into this game, I actually tried homecoming several years ago but didn't get very far. After discovering the poison powerset, and trying to figure out what I want to do with it, I'm relatively sure I want to play a controller, and I'm unsure ow what primary to go with. I see people like pairing this with Plant Control, but my main is already a Plant Dominator so I'd like to do something else. The character is fairly flexible in concept (a bug-themed character, if you're curious) and the ones that stand out to me at the moment are: Electric: Has another PBAoE Aura, Confuses seem to go well with poison, extreme lockdown might go well with not dying. Illusion: This looks hilarious and fun, but I'm not entirely sure I understand it. Temporary damage seems weird, but phantom army sure has the right look. Do people run the invis powers with this? Fire: Has the damage, but I'm not sure if I know enough to solve endurance. I'm also wondering if this one is as useful if I end up playing with some of my friends. Darkness: Has the synergy with the accuracy debuffs, but none of the powers really excite me. Other than having an extra pet, what does this bring? Symphony: This one DOES look exciting, but I'm concerned that all of the cones don't play well with "keep things in the poison aura". Edited January 19 by HiddenWings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyTheJourney Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) Below is a potential build template for an illusion / poison / psi controller. She's quite sturdy, at least for a controller, and phants love all the enemy debuffs that poison offers. The build focuses quite a bit on global recharge to keep phants out as much as possible and to drop the proc'd up poison trap as often as possible. I didn't take phantasm to make knockback easier to manage. YMMV for these and other build choices. Edit: Temporary damage basically means that you want to focus fire on mobs until they're down because defeating an enemy makes temporary damage done to them permanent. That may oversimplify at least a little. But, it's a helpful idea to keep in mind. Also, spectral terror is a really good AOE control power in most situations. Even when the fear effect doesn't work the -to hit debuff it puts on enemies will usually still help. I tend to take group invisibility because buffing teammates when possible and giving them invisibility tends to help team performance. If you're building for global recharge then group invisibility can be perma and it can serve as an adequate replacement in most situations for superior invisibility. So, I usually skip superior invisibility. Others take superior invisibility and skip group invisibility. Others take both. Any of these choices can make good sense according to what content you tend to run and what you'd like to do with your illusion controller. Tainted Dreams - Controller (Illusion Control - Poison - Psi Mastery).mbd Edited January 19 by EnjoyTheJourney 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifax Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I've done Elec / Poison / Earth to 50. It's a funny one. No one huge control, more layering lots of controls on top of one another. Definitely wouldn't solo it but if you're teaming with mates (like I did a bit with it) it can be fun. I've rerigged my build slightly here for you. Damage is meh outside the Epics so maybe you want something with Arcane Bolt fitted in instead. I've tested Procs in Jolted Chain and came to the conclusion that sadly they're pretty meh in there. Definitely not a top-tier controller but entertaining enough. Be aware that the Gremlins are as thick as Imps, if not more so. Controller - Elec Control - Poison New.mbd 3 My level 50 builds [Bullitt Time : DP/Kin Corruptor] [Carnifax : Ill/Dark Controller] [Kerriae : Plant/Storm Controller] [Echinoderm : Bio/Spines Tank] [Iron Brew : Mace/Rad Brute] [Snookered : Staff/NRG Brute] [iScream : Ice/Ice Scrapper] [Binman : Savage/Shield Stalker] [Modul-8 : Time/Sonic Defender] [Concussion Blast : Fire/NRG Domi] [Orblivion : Dark/Martial Domi] [Mombie : Necro/Nature MM] [Tempore : Water/Time Blaster] [Thermodynamic Flux : Ice/Fire Blaster] [Carni's Online CombatLog Parser Alpha] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uun Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I've got an Illusion/Poison/Stone. It can solo AVs if you're so inclined. As with most Illusion controllers, the goal is to have enough global recharge for Phantom Army to be permanent. I use Superior Invisibility but Group Invisibility is just a LotG mule. Uunseen - Controller (Illusion Control).mbd 1 1 Uuniverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenWings Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 On 1/19/2024 at 12:30 AM, EnjoyTheJourney said: Below is a potential build template for an illusion / poison / psi controller... Interesting, and thank you for the additional clarifications. PA does seem like an interesting skill, and thanks for the advice on invis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosticus Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Earth/poison works very well. Earth/Psi Dom - AV killer Arsenal/Sav Dom - AV Killer Poison - a guide to the most deadly poisons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TygerDarkstorm Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Frosticus said: Earth/poison works very well. And can be quite thematic! I may have childishly gone the stinky poop route with mine lol Global: @Valnara1; Discord Handle: @Valnara#0620 I primarily play on Everlasting, but you may occasionally find me on Indom. 🙂 Notable Characters: Apocolyptica - Demons/Storm MM; Lurking Monster - Human-Form WS; Environmentabot - Bots/Nature MM; Miss Fade - Ill/Traps Controller; Sister Apocalypse - Beast/Dark MM; Dr. Elaina Wrath - Plant/Rad Controller (Join the House of Wrath, and spread the word of science!); Ruff Ruff Boom - AR/Devices Blaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Shocker Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Dark/Poison is a very strong combination - works well in both PVE and PVP and can take out some very tough opponents Earth/Poison is also potent, with an ability to lock down large mobs while you pick off the worst offenders relatively quickly. As @TygerDarkstorm says it does lend itself to schoolboy humour as my toon from live "Stool" will attest to. I would also imagine that Ice/Poison would work exceptionally well - but balanced by extreme end issues, but the caveat there is I've never tried it. 1 There's a fine line between a numerator and a denominator but only a fraction of people understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TygerDarkstorm Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, Scarlet Shocker said: Dark/Poison is a very strong combination - works well in both PVE and PVP and can take out some very tough opponents Earth/Poison is also potent, with an ability to lock down large mobs while you pick off the worst offenders relatively quickly. As @TygerDarkstorm says it does lend itself to schoolboy humour as my toon from live "Stool" will attest to. I would also imagine that Ice/Poison would work exceptionally well - but balanced by extreme end issues, but the caveat there is I've never tried it. Ooooohhh, I'm going to have to try Dark/Poison sometime. I've had some minor survivability issues on my Earth/Poison after getting Venemous Gas, but I think that comes down a lot to needing to work on her slotting and playstyle (she's level 33). But considering how slow Earth can feel, Poison seems to give it some much needed help in that department by weakening foes. Might have to go give mine some love again, lol. But yeah, hard to avoid the poopy theme, lol. The below is what I went with: Global: @Valnara1; Discord Handle: @Valnara#0620 I primarily play on Everlasting, but you may occasionally find me on Indom. 🙂 Notable Characters: Apocolyptica - Demons/Storm MM; Lurking Monster - Human-Form WS; Environmentabot - Bots/Nature MM; Miss Fade - Ill/Traps Controller; Sister Apocalypse - Beast/Dark MM; Dr. Elaina Wrath - Plant/Rad Controller (Join the House of Wrath, and spread the word of science!); Ruff Ruff Boom - AR/Devices Blaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyonico Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I've wanted to try fire/poison but can't come up with a build that deals with the endurance issues it would likely have. 1 What this team needs is more Defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenWings Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 5 hours ago, Scarlet Shocker said: Dark/Poison is a very strong combination... You do seem to post about this one quite a bit, and the -ToHit seems useful. How does this do for damage, and does it have to go as hard into recharge as illusion does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraAlt Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/19/2024 at 2:37 AM, HiddenWings said: After discovering the poison powerset, and trying to figure out what I want to do with it Other than using a plant set with poison, the only other route that I have taken is with zombie/poison or ninja/poison masterminds. Honestly, on the masterminds, that's more for fun ... to be thematic. Poison isn't the easiest set to use with mastermind pets. If someone posts a reply quoting me and I don't reply, they may be on ignore. (It seems I'm involved with so much at this point that I may not be able to easily retrieve access to all the notifications) Some players know that I have them on ignore and are likely to make posts knowing that is the case. But the fact that I have them on ignore won't stop some of them from bullying and harassing people, because some of them love to do it. There is a group that have banded together to target forum posters they don't like. They think that this behavior is acceptable. Ignore (in the forums) and /ignore (in-game) are tools to improve your gaming experience. Don't feel bad about using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Shocker Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 32 minutes ago, HiddenWings said: You do seem to post about this one quite a bit, and the -ToHit seems useful. How does this do for damage, and does it have to go as hard into recharge as illusion does? I do and thanks for noticing. Damage is good for a controller, I'd say it's up there especially on single targets where Poison comes into its own but that's from my "seat of pants" expertise, I've got no empirical data. It is one of the most fun sets to play IMO. Recharge isn't an issue. Because the primary pet is a summon and forget there's no need to aim for perma- anything, so when constructing a build I make no special provision for it. As an aside, back on Live EU servers, a Thugs/Poison MM was considered to be one of the best AV killers in game given that Poison does so much debuff to single target foes and the pets (especially Gang War) allowed the Player to remain relatively unhurt Edited January 23 by Scarlet Shocker aside There's a fine line between a numerator and a denominator but only a fraction of people understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeraphimKensai Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I have several high end poison toons. Poison as a controller works well with anything in melee. To that effect I had a blast pairing it with electric control. Lots of layering with debuffs between sapping envenom/weaken/venomous gas. It just works. It does require a modicum of defense and clarion radial (for mez protection and also power boost effect). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evetsleep Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/20/2024 at 9:15 PM, Frosticus said: Earth/poison works very well. And just like that Professor Poo was born. Almost to 800 alts! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenWings Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 This thread is convincing me that I need to mess with Illusion/ and Dark/, even if it doesn't end up being on this character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evetsleep Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, HiddenWings said: This thread is convincing me that I need to mess with Illusion/ and Dark/, even if it doesn't end up being on this character. They're fantastic primaries. Just be aware that Illusion is a late bloomer whereas Dark is pretty strong from the get go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Shocker Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I was dabbling on a Mind/Poison last night. Only low level but very potent. Psi powers are very poorly resisted by mobs, same as Poison so there's a kind of double whammy and there's a few single target powers there for better effect. There's a fine line between a numerator and a denominator but only a fraction of people understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uun Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, Scarlet Shocker said: Psi powers are very poorly resisted by mobs Not true. Psi damage is heavily resisted by robots and other mechanical foes. There are very few factions that are actually weak to psi damage (Cabal, Clockwork, CoT spirits). Mind Control attacks are poorly defended by mobs since they only check against typed defense and have no positional vectors . (This is not true of Psi Blast attacks.) 1 Uuniverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Shocker Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 35 minutes ago, Uun said: Not true. Psi damage is heavily resisted by robots and other mechanical foes. There are very few factions that are actually weak to psi damage (Cabal, Clockwork, CoT spirits). Mind Control attacks are poorly defended by mobs since they only check against typed defense and have no positional vectors . (This is not true of Psi Blast attacks.) I stand corrected, thanks for the info. There's a fine line between a numerator and a denominator but only a fraction of people understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braddack Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 my Main is an Ilusion / Poison, and hell i solo all GMs, and AVs with him, The fun is that the army draws agro and your invis has reduced agro, so as soon as you have Phantom Army perma, youre not getting attacked anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidge Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/24/2024 at 10:33 AM, Scarlet Shocker said: I was dabbling on a Mind/Poison last night. Only low level but very potent. Psi powers are very poorly resisted by mobs, same as Poison so there's a kind of double whammy and there's a few single target powers there for better effect. Here is my Mind/Poison Build. I have fun. Spoiler Primary Power Set: Mind Control Secondary Power Set: Poison Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Force of Will Power Pool: Concealment Ancillary Pool: Primal Forces Mastery ------------ Level 1: Levitate (A) Gladiator's Javelin - Accuracy/Damage/End/Rech: Level 50+5 (*) Gladiator's Javelin - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50+5 Level 1: Envenom (A) Shield Breaker - Chance for Lethal Damage: Level 30 (*) Shield Breaker - Defense Debuff: Level 30 (*) Shield Breaker - Accuracy/Defense Debuff: Level 30 (*) Shield Breaker - Defense Debuff/Endurance/Recharge: Level 30 (*) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage: Level 50 Level 2: Dominate (A) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure (Accuracy/Damage) Level 53 (*) HamiO:Peroxisome Exposure (Damage/Mezz) Level 53 (*) Ghost Widow's Embrace - Chance of Damage(Psionic): Level 50 (*) Neuronic Shutdown - Chance of Damage(Psionic): Level 30 (*) Gladiator's Net - Chance of Damage(Lethal): Level 50 (*) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative): Level 50 Level 14: Weaken Resolve (A) HamiO:Lysosome Exposure (Accuracy / -Defense / -ToHit) Level 53 (*) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage: Level 50 Level 6: Confuse (A) Coercive Persuasion - Confused: Level 50+5 (*) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Recharge: Level 50 (*) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Confused/Recharge: Level 50 (*) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50 (*) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Endurance: Level 50+5 (*) Coercive Persuasion - Contagious Confusion: Level 50 Level 8: Mass Hypnosis (A) Fortunata Hypnosis - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50 (*) Fortunata Hypnosis - Sleep/Endurance: Level 50+5 (*) Fortunata Hypnosis - Sleep/Recharge: Level 50 (*) Fortunata Hypnosis - Accuracy/Sleep/Recharge: Level 50 (*) Fortunata Hypnosis - Chance for Placate: Level 50 (*) Call of the Sandman - Chance of Heal Self: Level 50 Level 10: Boxing (A) Gladiator's Strike - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50+5 Level 12: Mighty Leap (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points): Level 50 Level 14: Wall of Force (A) HamiO:Centriole Exposure (Damage/Range)Level 53 (*) D-Sync: Guidance (Accuracy/Range) Level 53 (*) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy): Level 50 (*) Bombardment - Chance of Damage(Fire): Level 50 (*) Javelin Volley - Chance of Damage(Lethal): Level 50 (*) Explosive Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 20 Level 16: Elixir of Life (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All): Level 50 Level 18: Total Domination (A) Superior Will of the Controller - Accuracy/Mezz: Level 50 (*) Superior Will of the Controller - Mezz/Recharge: Level 50 (*) Superior Will of the Controller - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (*) Superior Will of the Controller - Accuracy/Mezz/Endurance: Level 50 (*) Superior Will of the Controller - Accuracy/Mezz/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (*) Superior Will of the Controller - Recharge/Chance for Psionic Damage: Level 50 Level 20: Tough (A) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP: Level 50 (*) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance: Level 50+5 Level 22: Terrify (A) HamiO:Centriole Exposure (Damage/Range)Level 53 (*) Bombardment (Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge): Level 50 (*) Bombardment - Chance of Damage(Fire): Level 50 (*) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy): Level 50 (*) Glimpse of the Abyss - Chance of Damage(Psionic): Level 50 (*) Javelin Volley - Chance of Damage(Lethal): Level 50 Level 24: Paralytic Poison (A) Ghost Widow's Embrace - Chance of Damage(Psionic): Level 30 (*) Neuronic Shutdown - Chance of Damage(Psionic): Level 30 (*) Unbreakable Constraint - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 50 (*) Gladiator's Net - Accuracy/Hold: Level 50+5 (*) Gladiator's Net - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold: Level 50+5 (*) Gladiator's Net - Chance of Damage(Lethal): Level 50 Level 26: Mass Confusion (A) Cacophany - Chance of Damage(Energy): Level 30 (*) Malaise's Illusions - Chance of Damage(Psionic): Level 50 (*) Superior Overpowering Presence - Accuracy/Mezz/Endurance/RechargeTime: Level 50 (*) Superior Overpowering Presence - RechargeTime/Energy Font: Level 50 (*) Superior Overpowering Presence - Endurance/RechargeTime: Level 50 (*) Superior Overpowering Presence - Accuracy/Mezz/Endurance: Level 50 Level 28: Weave (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50 (*) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage: Level 50 (*) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All): Level 50 (*) Shield Wall - Defense: Level 50+5 (*) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance: Level 50+5 Level 30: Poison Trap (A) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold: Level 50+5 (*) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold/Recharge: Level 50+5 (*) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge: Level 50+5 (*) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50+5 (*) Unbreakable Constraint - Endurance/Hold: Level 50+5 Level 32: Alkaloid (A) Preventive Medicine - %Absorb: Level 50 Level 35: Power Blast (A) Apocalypse - Damage: Level 50+5 (*) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge: Level 50 (*) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50 (*) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50 (*) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance: Level 50+5 (*) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic): Level 50 Level 38: Temp Invulnerability (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%: Level 30 Level 41: Energy Torrent (A) HamiO:Centriole Exposure (Damage/Range)Level 53 (*) D-Sync: Guidance (Accuracy/Range) Level 53 (*) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy): Level 50 (*) Bombardment - Chance of Damage(Fire): Level 50 (*) Javelin Volley - Chance of Damage(Lethal): Level 50 (*) Explosive Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 20 Level 44: Unleash Potential (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50 Level 47: Stealth (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50 Level 49: Maneuvers (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50 Level 1: Brawl (A) Empty Level 1: Containment Level 1: Prestige Power Slide (A) Empty Level 1: Sprint (A) Unbounded Leap - +Stealth: Level 50 Level 2: Rest (A) Interrupt Reduction IO: Level 50+5 Level 1: Athletic Run Level 2: Swift (A) Run Speed IO: Level 50+5 Level 2: Health (A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance: Level 50 (*) Miracle - +Recovery: Level 40 Level 2: Hurdle (A) Jumping IO: Level 50+5 Level 2: Stamina (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End: Level 50 (*)Performance Shifter - Endurance Modification: Level 50 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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