Superman: Legacy First Look

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

  On 12/19/2024 at 7:01 PM, ZacKing said:

See Superman Returns.

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I have. It ain't bad at all. it ain't perfect. (I'm definitely not as much of a fan as QT was.)

Screenplay clunked a bit, the paternity subplot felt unnecessary and undercooked, and...

....well, Kevin "Kerrrrrrrriiippptonite!" Spacey was the thing that kinda broke it for me.

 

But there's good bits. Brandon wore the cape well, and the other character interplay was decent.

Lose the kid, lose half of the first reel, drop more quickly into the action and tighten the rest, and you'd have had a decent little flick.

(Oh, and maybe reshoot Spacey with Phil Hoffman if they could have got him).

 

One other thing: that was the 6th biggest flick by box office in 2006, 9th worldwide, with $400m.

But if you blow your budget to $222m - plus maybe another $100m marketing - that's not great.

 

[JKCarrier]

  On 12/19/2024 at 5:47 PM, Excraft said:

 

Exactly and that's the problem.  Whimsical Superman film?  No thanks.  They tried that already and it didn't work.

 

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Oh, please. There is a huge difference between whimsical and farcical. The Donner films had a lot of humor in them, as did the George Reeves tv show, The Animated Series, and more recently, "Superman and Lois". Doesn't mean you can't also have serious and even tragic moments. A Superman who's allergic to smiling isn't Superman.

[JKCarrier]

(Accidental double-posting)

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[Excraft]

  On 12/19/2024 at 7:58 PM, JKCarrier said:

Oh, please. There is a huge difference between whimsical and farcical. The Donner films had a lot of humor in them, as did the George Reeves tv show, The Animated Series, and more recently, "Superman and Lois". Doesn't mean you can't also have serious and even tragic moments. A Superman who's allergic to smiling isn't Superman.

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Well, I don't necessarily disagree with you.  I'll disagree that Superman is "whimsical" and needs "whimsy", which is what you said in your earlier post.  Of course, inject a little humor and charm into it.  Whimsy?  No.

 

I didn't care for the brooding Superman in Man of Steel and BvS either.  Loved Henry Cavill in the role, but he suffered from a bad script.  I'd have loved to have seen him with a better script.

 

  On 12/19/2024 at 7:33 PM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

But there's good bits. Brandon wore the cape well, and the other character interplay was decent.

Lose the kid, lose half of the first reel, drop more quickly into the action and tighten the rest, and you'd have had a decent little flick.

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That movie lost it soon as the introduced Super son and making Superman into a creepy stalker.

[BrandX]

  On 12/19/2024 at 9:12 PM, Excraft said:

 

Well, I don't necessarily disagree with you.  I'll disagree that Superman is "whimsical" and needs "whimsy", which is what you said in your earlier post.  Of course, inject a little humor and charm into it.  Whimsy?  No.

 

I didn't care for the brooding Superman in Man of Steel and BvS either.  Loved Henry Cavill in the role, but he suffered from a bad script.  I'd have loved to have seen him with a better script.

 

 

That movie lost it soon as the introduced Super son and making Superman into a creepy stalker.

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I have to agree, while I love Superman Returns for it's Superman feats that were just awesome (would've loved a super beat down, but got that in MoS FINALLY), I did not like the son angle and the stalker angle, though I'm trying to recall, wasn't that more on just his son than Lois?

[ZacKing]

  On 12/19/2024 at 7:58 PM, JKCarrier said:

A Superman who's allergic to smiling isn't Superman.

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Was he smiling in the trailer?  I didn't see it.  Seems like another angry/depressed/brooding take on the character from the footage in the trailer.

[ZacKing]

  On 12/20/2024 at 2:23 AM, BrandX said:

I have to agree, while I love Superman Returns for it's Superman feats that were just awesome (would've loved a super beat down, but got that in MoS FINALLY), I did not like the son angle and the stalker angle, though I'm trying to recall, wasn't that more on just his son than Lois?

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No he was full on stalker mode with Lois.  He didn't know the kid was his until the end of the movie.

[PeregrineFalcon]

  On 12/20/2024 at 2:12 PM, ZacKing said:

No he was full on stalker mode with Lois.  He didn't know the kid was his until the end of the movie.

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Which is ridiculous. The fact that he didn't know means that he can't do basic math and that he is ok with the love of his life jumping into bed with another man the day after he disappeared.

 

Neither of make Superman look good.

[Lunar Ronin]

  On 12/20/2024 at 4:54 PM, PeregrineFalcon said:

Which is ridiculous. The fact that he didn't know means that he can't do basic math and that he is ok with the love of his life jumping into bed with another man the day after he disappeared.

 

Neither of make Superman look good.

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To be fair, in Zack Snyder's Justice League, Lois Lane was pregnant with Bruce Wayne's kid.  Had it continued, Clark would have realized it but raised the child as his own.

[PeregrineFalcon]

  On 12/20/2024 at 5:00 PM, Lunar Ronin said:

To be fair, in Zack Snyder's Justice League, Lois Lane was pregnant with Bruce Wayne's kid.  Had it continued, Clark would have realized it but raised the child as his own.

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Wait, what?!?

 

Ok, I just did a bit of research and saw that Zack Snyder has confirmed that Lois was pregnant with Superman's child in Justice League. It's not nice to try to fool the Falcon. 😁

[JKCarrier]

  On 12/20/2024 at 2:11 PM, ZacKing said:

 

Was he smiling in the trailer?  I didn't see it.

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No, but as I said, the spotlighting of Krypto leads me to believe that the movie will include more lighthearted and heartwarming moments.

[Techwright]

  On 12/20/2024 at 6:52 PM, JKCarrier said:

No, but as I said, the spotlighting of Krypto leads me to believe that the movie will include more lighthearted and heartwarming moments.

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Got a strong Snowy of Tin-Tin vibe from that dog. What on earth hits the big boy scout so hard on his first film out that he crumples like that? Those that can do so I would usually anticipate for a later movie.

The trailer felt like it was packing multiple films into one

[Lunar Ronin]

  On 12/20/2024 at 5:39 PM, PeregrineFalcon said:

Wait, what?!?

 

Ok, I just did a bit of research and saw that Zack Snyder has confirmed that Lois was pregnant with Superman's child in Justice League. It's not nice to try to fool the Falcon. 😁

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Here you go.

 

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The theatrical cut of Justice League removed numerous characters and subplots from backstories to larger sequel seeds and universe building, like the inclusion of DC big bad Darkseid, but the one element Snyder said was removed entirely from an early rewrite after the harsh reactions to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was the romantic subplot between Bruce Wayne and Lois Lane resulting in her carrying his child.

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[PeregrineFalcon]

  On 12/20/2024 at 8:20 PM, Lunar Ronin said:

Here you go.

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Ah, ok. See I had seen this article where Zack says the baby was Superman's. But I've also seen a lot of articles that confirm what you were saying as well. Sorry, I was wrong when I said you were trying to fool me.

 

Rumored plans aside, it's unfortunate that we'll never see the rest of that storyline.

[Luminara]

  On 12/20/2024 at 10:55 PM, PeregrineFalcon said:

Rumored plans aside, it's unfortunate that we'll never see the rest of that storyline.

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Pretty sure they would've named him Martha.

[ZacKing]

The Real Reason Superman Bleeds According To James Gunn

 

 

Hmmm.... sounds better, but given all of the agenda and message pushing that's completely polluted Hollywood productions of the last couple of years, I don't know whether to be excited or extremely wary.  Having Superman be a symbol of good, kindness and hope is a good thing.  I might be on the "cautiously optimistic" side now, but we'll see.  Any time I hear some actor or director talking about politics and how it's relevant to their movie, I cringe.  lol

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[BrandX]

  On 12/23/2024 at 7:08 PM, ZacKing said:

The Real Reason Superman Bleeds According To James Gunn

 

 

Hmmm.... sounds better, but given all of the agenda and message pushing that's completely polluted Hollywood productions of the last couple of years, I don't know whether to be excited or extremely wary.  Having Superman be a symbol of good, kindness and hope is a good thing.  I might be on the "cautiously optimistic" side now, but we'll see.  Any time I hear some actor or director talking about politics and how it's relevant to their movie, I cringe.  lol

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That sort of thing has always been a part of Hollywood.  The difference is in the writing.  It's like people forget what their old time favorite Star Trek or even not as old TNG was 😛

 

Trailer looks good.  I'm not sold on Krypto personally tho 😛

[biostem]

I'm curious how big of a part all the other heroes depicted in the trailer will play, and, frankly, am not sold on Luthor...

[ZacKing]

  On 12/23/2024 at 11:36 PM, BrandX said:

That sort of thing has always been a part of Hollywood.  The difference is in the writing.  It's like people forget what their old time favorite Star Trek or even not as old TNG was 😛

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Yes, it has been part of Hollywood and yes, the difference is in the writing and how its presented.  I'm fully aware of Star Trek TOS and TNG, I haven't forgotten anything.  You'll notice I specifically said film productions "of the last couple of years", meaning more recent films, not TV shows from 30 and 60 years ago.  They had actual writers who knew how to write back then, not the hacks most of these studios hire today.   

[Skyhawke]

 

[Coin]

Man, why is half the internet determined to hate on this trailer. 😄

 

I watched it and loved it, can't wait for the movie.

 

After the depressfest that was the Snyderverse, I'm looking forward to something more hopeful.

[Techwright]

  On 12/24/2024 at 12:29 AM, biostem said:

I'm curious how big of a part all the other heroes depicted in the trailer will play, and, frankly, am not sold on Luthor...

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I like Nicholas Hoult, or at least what works of his I've seen, so I'll give him a good chance.  That said, casting for Luthor has not always been the greatest.  Just putting a good actor into that role doesn't guarantee a good fit.

 

It's too bad Jeff Bridges is too old for the role.  After seeing his Obadiah Stane in Iron-Man, I think he'd have made a great Lex Luthor.

[Ghost]

  On 1/2/2025 at 9:09 PM, Coin said:

Man, why is half the internet determined to hate on this trailer. 😄

 

I watched it and loved it, can't wait for the movie.

 

After the depressfest that was the Snyderverse, I'm looking forward to something more hopeful.

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I get why some people don’t like it.

I’m in the middle on it.

The action has a very comic book feel to it, which I like.

 

However, this is a Superman movie.  I want to see Superman. Not Green Lantern.  

Not Hawkgirl.  
Not Krypto.  

Not Mr Terrific.  

Not Metamorpho.

 

Some of those characters the GA won’t even know, so instead of spending the entire run time on a Superman story and world building, they will have to spend time on explaining who the hell these other heroes are.  Where they came from and why they are here.

Lets not forget character building for whatever villains they also cram into this.

 

 

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[TTRPGWhiz]

  On 1/3/2025 at 2:08 PM, Ghost said:

I get why some people don’t like it.

I’m in the middle on it.

The action has a very comic book feel to it, which I like.

 

However, this is a Superman movie.  I want to see Superman. Not Green Lantern.  

Not Hawkgirl.  
Not Krypto.  

Not Mr Terrific.  

Not Metamorpho.

 

Some of those characters the GA won’t even know, so instead of spending the entire run time on a Superman story and world building, they will have to spend time on explaining who the hell these other heroes are.  Where they came from and why they are here.

Lets not forget character building for whatever villains they also cram into this.

 

 

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Krypto doesn't belong in a Superman movie?

[Techwright]

  On 1/3/2025 at 9:58 PM, TTRPGWhiz said:

Krypto doesn't belong in a Superman movie?

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He does.   Depending on how he's handled, Krypto would be equal to Ma & Pa Kent or Lois Lane: important, possibly vital to the story, but not the focus.  There's a number of Krytonian elements that might be included, Krypto, Supergirl, bottled Kandor, survivors in the Phantom Zone, etc. (I believe there was even a Kryptonian monkey at one point),  but I suspect @Ghost is basically saying "keep the main thing, the main thing".  Be laser-focused on the one character, since his name carries the title.   If enough of the Justice League and Kryptonian stuff is brought in, the movie then becomes an ensemble work, more or less, which makes having a single-character title a bit absurd.

 

That said, I'm personally intrigued to see Krypto in live action, and wonder how they'd carve out a character that's more than just a character clone of Lassie or Rin-Tin-Tin with powers.