Empathy power set in the modern City of Heroes

[tidge]

24 minutes ago, Shin Magmus said:

     Healing is not, and never has been, damage mitigation.  If you have 600 Healers all lined up in a row, all ready to heal, but the enemy deals a big attack and oneshots everyone... you all die because you lacked sufficient damage mitigation: now you have 600 dead Healers.

 

Always look on the bright side of combat.

 

[Maelwys]

18 minutes ago, Troo said:

 

"reduce the amount of damage suffered"

 

This is where we all go, "oh, I get it now". We all learned these things at some point. There was a point I was unaware 'tactics' could count as damage mitigation.

Condescension notwithstanding; I'm afraid not.

To illustrate; I refer you to my earlier post: 

 

2 hours ago, Maelwys said:

Let's try putting this another way...
Someone takes a swing at your face. You see the punch coming.
Do you: (a) Block it (b) Dodge it (c) Just take it like a chump but put an Ice Pack on afterwards?

In scenario (c) you would still SUFFER THE FULL (UNREDUCED) AMOUNT OF DAMAGE.

You would just recover from it a bit faster than someone with no Ice Pack.

And that is the problem with "healing" in CoX. Healing in this game SUCKS in comparison to proper damage mitigation like Defense and Resistance buffs (and to a lesser extent; +Absorb and +MaxHP) because it does not stop you from dying to big hits of "spike damage". It just stops you from dying to lots of smaller hits of damage that are spread out over a long period of time - "chip damage" - which by its very nature is not going to kill you immediately.

Healing can certainly be useful; but it does not reduce the damage someone takes. It is a reactionary recovery measure taken after a non-lethal amount of damage has already been applied to someone's healthbar. Which brings up another problem: often the person damaged will act faster than the "healer" and use their own recovery measures.
 

Edited 3 hours ago by Maelwys

[JJDrakken]

43 minutes ago, Shin Magmus said:

     This thread isn't supposed to be a basic English class about teaching definitions. Getting dragged into arguments with people (who are blatantly wrong) is the beginning of how all of these threads get locked.  GM GooglyMoogly is here, unseen, in the shadows.  You don't see him but he sees us all; he is watching, waiting for someone to slip up.

 

     Healing is not, and never has been, damage mitigation.  If you have 600 Healers all lined up in a row, all ready to heal, but the enemy deals a big attack and oneshots everyone... you all die because you lacked sufficient damage mitigation: now you have 600 dead Healers.  Now if the same scenario happens with 2 Healers but 598 Buffers, who boost the team's Defense and Resistance up massively: people survive.  The same attack hits your party but the damage is reduced and it also outright misses some of you, which gives the 2 Healers time to heal everyone back up to full.  The difference in these examples should be obvious.

 

<> Resistance and Defense are damage mitigation, as are debuffs to enemy stats that reduce their Damage and Tohit.

 

<> Max HP and Absorb are a damage buffer, they don't technically mitigate damage but they increase the amount of time you will survive, and therefore the time you have to react.  Max HP also multiplies Regeneration.

 

<> Healing and Regeneration are just health restoration and nothing more.  Regeneration is often stronger because it is multiplied by Max HP increases, and you can build to push both these stats very high.

 

Your still wrong.  I'm sure all game devs, TTRPG makers, story writers, show writers, novelists, comic writers, etc.. of the Genre would love to chat with you, to let you know your wrong. Then to double down non stop about it, cuz you are wrong. 

 

Reminds me of American politics.

[Maelwys]

18 minutes ago, tidge said:

 

Always look on the bright side of combat.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Maelwys

[JJDrakken]

End of the day, it's been established since forever in addendum.  By humans before us writing and building lore, story, etc.. It's been well established.

 

You can say it's not cuz you don't like that it is or you feel it shouldn't be. 

 

So saying it's not cuz of your emotions and not actual established lore & logic.  -shrugs-

 

But enough of our Echo Chamber finger pointing,  I got a D&D Game to prep for tonight. Session 2 of CoH Players who are new to D&D. (Being streamed on Twitch again by KosmicFire90)  Yes, I still got a good few hours away(830 Est start time).

But I gotta make sure I don't have 2 to many goblins, the Life Cleric is there to Mitigate the damage, but you know spell slots ...

 

-winks-

Edited 3 hours ago by JJDrakken

[Troo]

4 minutes ago, Maelwys said:

Do you: (a) Block it (b) Dodge it (c) Just take it like a chump but put an Ice Pack on afterwards?

 

Hey, no condensation intended. Wait, condescension, I meant condescension.

 

Folks disagree, no problem. Folks are not disagreeing with me. Folks are disagreeing with the game and it's designers.

 

I am a Regeneration lifer. 

If you asked me how it goes playing regen I might say "You're gonna get hit... a lot! You're gonna need a plan to mitigate the inevitable damage and debuffs."

• Tactics are a way to "reduce the amount of damage suffered" before it happens.
• Regeneration and Healing are ways to "reduce the amount of damage suffered" after it happens.

 

 

[Maelwys]

6 minutes ago, JJDrakken said:

the Life Cleric is there to Mitigate the damage, but you know spell slots ...

Try "Bless" or "Shield of Faith" instead and if anything gets past tell 'em to take a short rest and use their hit dice to recover like proper adventurers 😛
(Healing Word/Cure Wounds certainly has its place... to pick someone up from unconsciousness. Just don't do that in the initiative order right before the enemy. Heh...)
 

Edited 3 hours ago by Maelwys

[JJDrakken]

2 minutes ago, Maelwys said:

Try "Bless" or "Armor of Faith" instead and if anything gets past tell 'em to take a short rest and use their hit dice to recover like proper adventurers 😛
(Healing Word certainly has its place... to pick someone up from unconsciousness. Just don't do that in the initiative order right before the enemy. Heh...)

 

I nudge them in that direction.  But all 4 are brand spanking new to D&D.  We have 5th character made, that no one showed for.  Can't find anyone willing to buy Tabletop Simulator and then 830-1130pm East on a Thursday usually a deal breaker as well for that 5th.

 

But I try let them learn at their own pace and have fun.  I'll drop hints when I feel it would be best, etc..  Been DM/GMing for 36 years now.

Edited 3 hours ago by JJDrakken

[Shin Magmus]

23 minutes ago, Maelwys said:

     These images are sending me.  Fortunately, I play good powersets so I have Mitigation against Joke Damage.

[Maelwys]

14 minutes ago, JJDrakken said:

 

I nudge them in that direction.  But all 4 are brand spanking new to D&D.  We have 5th character made, that no one showed for.  Can't find anyone willing to buy Tabletop Simulator and then 830-1130pm East on a Thursday usually a deal breaker as well for that 5th.

 

But I try let them learn at their own pace and have fun.  I'll drop hints when I feel it would be best, etc..  Been DM/GMing for 36 years now.

My Tuesday night GM swapped from Roll20 to Foundry VTT shortly before I joined the game* and it's been quite successful so far. 
Few niggles with recent upgrades temporarily breaking spell macros etc; but the gameplay has been grand + much better environment than roll20.

Only 4 of us at present too (sadly our 5th has health issues and probs won't be back for a bit!) but it's a decent number + gives everyone a chance to contribute.

*2nd Feb 2021 judging by my session notes. The party had just hit Lv5 and we're currently a bit shy of Lv14. They're taking it SLOOOOOW!