Possibly Controversial Request: Please consider having all the accolades to be purchasable for extreme amounts of the appropriate currency in either START, the Aether reward system, or the Merits system.

[battlewraith]

21 minutes ago, Troo said:

 

Makes sense to put it out there being simply curious what responses might be either way.

 

My opinion:

Folks gotta play the game at some point. There should be rewards for actually playing the game. Even if it's simply acknowledgement of defeating x number of enemies. (some folks might think 'grind' or 'gating' but that's not really the case)

Could there be an acknowledgement of having earned a particular accolade 25 times, sure. Keeping in mind that it is not the same earning some accolades on one archetype compared to another, much less character to character.

 

The whole fake-accolades being created partially so PVPers didn't have to farm characters hasn't panned out. Folks could surmise a similar result in PVE if the game starts giving away rewards earned by playing. ('giving away' is basically the same as an associated cost once enough wealth is accumulated)

What? Accolades in pvp were necessary in order to be competitive. Removing the hassle of doing a bunch of pve objectives was a good move. Saying it didn't "pan out" doesn't make any sense.

[Jacktar]

Hi, I first got the Accolades because I wanted the badges and I find now that on my non badge alts I never actively bother with them.

Most of the alts have a bunch of partially complete Accolades and some have a few completed. (not actively sought for completion)

But I do wonder, are our Accolades ingame today the same as were ingame at the start, have they ever (never) been upgraded or amended?

In todays game are they now just Fluff (were they ever needed for the power boosts) as I do not see much of a difference on my incarnate and new lowbie alts that have one or a couple?

So I guess for me it comes down to does the value I get from having them at this time make up for the effort to get them.

For me that would be a no.

But yes we all play our beloved game our way and I do embrace meaningful change where deemed necessary by the Team.

Cheers

 

[Rudra]

1 hour ago, Jacktar said:

Hi, I first got the Accolades because I wanted the badges and I find now that on my non badge alts I never actively bother with them.

Most of the alts have a bunch of partially complete Accolades and some have a few completed. (not actively sought for completion)

But I do wonder, are our Accolades ingame today the same as were ingame at the start, have they ever (never) been upgraded or amended?

In todays game are they now just Fluff (were they ever needed for the power boosts) as I do not see much of a difference on my incarnate and new lowbie alts that have one or a couple?

So I guess for me it comes down to does the value I get from having them at this time make up for the effort to get them.

For me that would be a no.

But yes we all play our beloved game our way and I do embrace meaningful change where deemed necessary by the Team.

Cheers

 

The accolades, and all other badges, weren't in the game when it started. They were added later. And no, I'm pretty sure they have not been changed except to add more of them.

[tidge]

3 hours ago, Jacktar said:

In todays game are they now just Fluff (were they ever needed for the power boosts) as I do not see much of a difference on my incarnate and new lowbie alts that have one or a couple

 

The stat-boosting aren't 'fluff'.... but HC has made it easier to get set bonuses that do what the accolades by slotting pieces.

 

The +MaxEnd is a big deal for all ATs, the +MaxHP is a much bigger deal for Brutes and Tanks (because of base HP), followed by any AT with Scaling Damage Resistance and/or Regernation-reliant characters... but otherwise the +MaxHP isn't that big of a deal IMO. It isn't nothing, although the +MaxHP have gotten several of my other AT characters to their HP cap.

[Troo]

4 hours ago, battlewraith said:

What? Accolades in pvp were necessary in order to be competitive. Removing the hassle of doing a bunch of pve objectives was a good move. Saying it didn't "pan out" doesn't make any sense.

 

My comment is meant as nothing more it's face value.

I am not aware of any big pvp renaissance going on. If asked, would folks say there are more or less pvp players now than when fake-accolades were introduced?

 

If I could borrow and tweak some of your text to outline an over generalized logic flow:

Accolades can be necessary in order to be competitive.

Removing the hassle of doing a bunch of objectives to get those accolades seemed like a good move.

Now less players.

I acknowledge there could be many many considerations and contributors not included in that logic. This is not an attack on the precious..

 

My point is: If we take away earned build contributors it could have unintended impacts and ultimately impact player base.

It is a consideration. 

 

I always have rattling around in my mind - customer acquisition cost, retention, cogs, life time value, why, core values, return on investment, engagement, replay-ability..

Bottom line = Mess with the secret sauce too much and there may be less customers.

 

[battlewraith]

17 minutes ago, Troo said:

 

My comment is meant as nothing more it's face value.

I am not aware of any big pvp renaissance going on. If asked, would folks say there are more or less pvp players now than when fake-accolades were introduced?

 

If I could borrow and tweak some of your text to outline an over generalized logic flow:

Accolades can be necessary in order to be competitive.

Removing the hassle of doing a bunch of objectives to get those accolades seemed like a good move.

Now less players.

I acknowledge there could be many many considerations and contributors not included in that logic. This is not an attack on the precious..

 

My point is: If we take away earned build contributors it could have unintended impacts and ultimately impact player base.

It is a consideration. 

 

I always have rattling around in my mind - customer acquisition cost, retention, cogs, life time value, why, core values, return on investment, engagement, replay-ability..

Bottom line = Mess with the secret sauce too much and there may be less customers.

 

For the life of me, I can't see how being able to skip the rigamarole of doing accolades for pvp characters would've lead to the death of the pvp community. It's a pretty bizarre speculation. 

 

[Excraft]

3 hours ago, Troo said:

I am not aware of any big pvp renaissance going on. If asked, would folks say there are more or less pvp players now than when fake-accolades were introduced?

 

This is the important part.  The Temporal Warriors HC added didn't result in a mass influx of new PvP players.  Making Accolades purchasable from the P2W Vendor isn't going to lead to a mass influx of new PvE players either.  As others have mentioned, it just makes it easier for those with the means to buy the accolades.  At some point, people do need to interact with the game, so I don't think we need to make these accolades easier to get.  

[Ghost]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

For the life of me, I can't see how being able to skip the rigamarole of doing accolades for pvp characters would've lead to the death of the pvp community. It's a pretty bizarre speculation. 

 

Where did Troo say this?

I read his statement to mean the player base as a whole.  Not specifically the PVP community 

[lemming]

5 minutes ago, Excraft said:

This is the important part.  The Temporal Warriors HC added didn't result in a mass influx of new PvP players.  Making Accolades purchasable from the P2W Vendor isn't going to lead to a mass influx of new PvE players either.  As others have mentioned, it just makes it easier for those with the means to buy the accolades.  At some point, people do need to interact with the game, so I don't think we need to make these accolades easier to get.  

I don't think this would have an effect either way.     The interact with the game is a good point, but it's why I suggested a different tedium that allowed the accolade to be earned offline.  You'd still have to know something and would just be bypassing some content that has been done multiple times.   Perhaps it will get people to do other stuff than the "required" steps to get the accolades.  (Probably not, but we can dream...)

[tidge]

OP doesn't even offer anything controversial IMO about the request... folks have been asking "lemme buy ____" for a long time. If there is controversy, it's repeatedly bringing up the same request.

 

We deserve a better set of controversial options:

 

1) Let players who want to earn accolades put them on the market for other players to buy.

 

2) Grant fractional values of the accolades based on the amount of effort put in to earn the accolade.

 

[ShardWarrior]

1 hour ago, lemming said:

The interact with the game is a good point, but it's why I suggested a different tedium that allowed the accolade to be earned offline.  You'd still have to know something and would just be bypassing some content that has been done multiple times.   Perhaps it will get people to do other stuff than the "required" steps to get the accolades.  (Probably not, but we can dream...)

 

Being logged out as we do with day jobs is not actually interacting with the game.  Accolades that provide a permanent buff of some kind (eg. TF Commander, Atlas Medallion, Portal Jockey etc), regardless of how minor, should require some effort and require the player to actually interact with the game content.

 

I do not necessarily disagree that getting all of the available accolades on every character can get old very, very quickly.  However, accolades in general are not required or necessary.  With that said, I would not object to certain accolades being account wide unlocks.  

[kelika2]

even 20m for the stats is a little much considering there are 4 of them available

variants like +end for 2m, +hp for 3m, combos are 5m each would definitely flush inf regularly

[ShardWarrior]

4 minutes ago, kelika2 said:

even 20m for the stats is a little much considering there are 4 of them available

variants like +end for 2m, +hp for 3m, combos are 5m each would definitely flush inf regularly

 

Again, all this would do is make it that much easier for those with the means to buy these items while making them unattainable for those without.  Even 20 million inf per passive accolade is cheap.  This is pocket change for the wealthy in this game with billions upon billions upon billions of influence. 

[kelika2]

1 minute ago, ShardWarrior said:

 

Again, all this would do is make it that much easier for those with the means to buy these items while making them unattainable for those without.  Even 20 million inf per passive accolade is cheap.  This is pocket change for the wealthy in this game with billions upon billions upon billions of influence. 

i guess dont let the 1% get in the way of happiness?

[Ghost]

13 minutes ago, kelika2 said:

i guess dont let the 1% get in the way of happiness?

It’s a very temporary happiness.

On the other hand, earning something is an accomplishment you will forever be proud of!

Edited 1 hour ago by Ghost

[ShardWarrior]

40 minutes ago, kelika2 said:

i guess dont let the 1% get in the way of happiness?

 

This is only exacerbating the disparity.  Those that can afford it will buy their way out whereas others who cannot afford it will have to "grind" out the accolades.  Right now, everyone is on equal footing having to do the work necessary to get the accolade reward.  That is true whether someone is a multi-billionaire or a brand new player starting out.  Adding this a a P2W option only affects those without the inf.