The AFK Police

[Bob]

The funny thing is that if you just join an 8 man to do it somewhere else in PI, or KW if you just want influence/rewards/whatever, you wont notice a loss, because having a team of 8 people spam clicking doors and all mobs being tagged, feels a lot better than a full league that has half~ the people not doing anything (or barely), including people on your own team within the league.  

 

I got sick of wasting my time in those groups.  Once in a blue moon i got in a decent one (mostly on excelsior, everlasting has too many afkers), but even then you can still see around 10 people doing nothing, and no one enforcing even a bare minimum of standard regarding leeching.  

[Krimson]

Maybe the server crashes ARE the solution? No one can leech XP when the shards are down.

[KaizenSoze]

I exited a PI Trick or Treat league today, because I refused to turn off my teleport prompt. I don't enjoy GM hunting, also the Incandescence pulse is bad on my eyes. So, I stay at the hotel and clean up mobs. I was told I was not being a team player.

 

In general I hunt the EBs which often have toHit debuff auras, which has practically no effect on the char I was using. So, I am generating a lot of exp for my team.

 

So, I left. Some people think to highly of themselves.

 

When I am league leader it's pretty obvious who is afking, without having resort to teleportation.

[Ravenplume]

On the ToT league Valley Squirrel was on yesterday, when the leader announced they were going to do some GM hunting for us, they at least advised closing our "You cannot enter" popups if we wanted to join in when the monsters were found.

[Troo]

3 hours ago, KaizenSoze said:

So, I stay at the hotel and clean up mobs. I was told I was not being a team player.

 

Yeah, that's not cool.

[Clave Dark 5]

Agreed.  I was just running a ToT league and only kicked for standing around  AFKing; if you're still clearly active, I don't care what else you're up.

[srmalloy]

6 hours ago, KaizenSoze said:

I exited a PI Trick or Treat league today, because I refused to turn off my teleport prompt. I don't enjoy GM hunting, also the Incandescence pulse is bad on my eyes. So, I stay at the hotel and clean up mobs. I was told I was not being a team player.

I routinely set the teleport prompt on all of my characters, because I take exception to someone else being granted the unrestricted ability to yank my character off to some random part of a map without warning. And I'm still bent out of shape over the fact that the game makes that decision for you with regard to your pets -- except for the 'untouchable' Tier 4 Radial Lore pets, every single pet a character has is unchangeably flagged as "accept all teleports" (the T4 Radial pets, presumably as part of the 'untouchable' status, can't be teleported). For most ATs this isn't too severe a problem, but for MMs, getting all your henchmen yanked away at the whim of a team/league member with Incandescence is highly irritating.

 

A significant part of my attitude was formed during the first few months of the game's live run, where some некультурный сволочи discovered that the game as released incorporated a limited form of non-consensual PvP -- a character who was too low-level to take the power, or who had not taken Hover, was vulnerable to being teleported to appear next to the roof of a tall building, where they would fall helplessly to the ground, which, if they had even 1 point of unhealed damage, would kill them.

[Andreah]

Honest, just like it real-world, trick or treat should be limited to one night once a year. To be fair, we'll make it over a 24 hour period.  Work has you travelling to Nowifiville that day? Too bad. There's always next year.

Or make it a purely solo system, where phased foes come out and can only be fought by you., and only if you are not on a team.

[mechahamham]

1 hour ago, Andreah said:

Or make it a purely solo system, where phased foes come out and can only be fought by you., and only if you are not on a team.

 

This is basically how I do the vast majority of my ToTing. Bricks is my favorite zone for it, but Founders and RWZ are also good.

[tidge]

16 hours ago, KaizenSoze said:

I exited a PI Trick or Treat league today, because I refused to turn off my teleport prompt. I don't enjoy GM hunting, also the Incandescence pulse is bad on my eyes. So, I stay at the hotel and clean up mobs. I was told I was not being a team player.

 

I'm sorry this happened to you. After the three badges for those hunts... it is pretty much only merit rewards... which for some of us who want the *other* badges more than we want *those* merits, why not stay at the motel?

[Gaymer X]

I'm not a fan of folks being afk while I'm busy running around knocking on doors, dodging baddies, buffing team/leaguemates, and managing my pets.  That's just me.  What I'm struggling with a bit is league managers calling AFK MMs kill stealers or calling in GMs to remove them.  I can see their point, but I also don't think a particular league should really have the ability to "lay claim" to the PI hotel.  If someone wants to use the knock macro and have powers on auto and pets on aggressive, at least they are *doing* something, instead of just sitting there like a bump on a log.  Anywho, just my two pennies.

[Andreah]

The league is not "laying claim" to the hotel -- they are laying claim to the mobs that would not have spawned except for their group efforts.  In years past (this topic comes up every year, like clockwork) the GM's have said that they may, within their discretion, take actions against multi-boxers, kill-stealers and leeches when they are reported. 

There's an established etiquette that makes this fair and tolerable for most people. The problem comes from the few people who believe that doesn't apply to them and they can do whatever the hell they want wherever and whenever they want, and that's just not true here.

[Troo]

@Gaymer X when short team members or league mates an AFK or two doesn't hurt and can sometimes help. A full zone, or even near full, AFKers are not helpful. A solo AFK MM can definitely steal exp from a league and I get reporting them.

[Troo]

14 hours ago, Andreah said:

Honest, just like it real-world, trick or treat should be limited to one night once a year. To be fair, we'll make it over a 24 hour period.  Work has you travelling to Nowifiville that day? Too bad. There's always next year.

 

[Gaymer X]

29 minutes ago, Andreah said:

The league is not "laying claim" to the hotel -- they are laying claim to the mobs that would not have spawned except for their group efforts.  In years past (this topic comes up every year, like clockwork) the GM's have said that they may, within their discretion, take actions against multi-boxers, kill-stealers and leeches when they are reported. 

 

If there is no claim on the hotel, then other players who may not want to join the league* can ToT there as well, yes?  Hopefully, league members don't get reported for kill-stealing if they get overzealous and attack spawns that weren't theirs.   

 

 

*Personally, I can't see not wanting to join the league, getting you your badges and whatnot faster, but maybe some folks have their own personal reasons.

[Ravenplume]

33 minutes ago, Troo said:

 

I get that reply.  :)

[Ravenplume]

5 minutes ago, Gaymer X said:

 

 

*Personally, I can't see not wanting to join the league, getting you your badges and whatnot faster, but maybe some folks have their own personal reasons.

 

Discovered recently, after coming back from a mapservering, that even when not on the league, I was still getting XP.  Turned out my Leadership toggles were making it so.

[lemming]

1 hour ago, Gaymer X said:

If there is no claim on the hotel, then other players who may not want to join the league* can ToT there as well, yes?  Hopefully, league members don't get reported for kill-stealing if they get overzealous and attack spawns that weren't theirs. 

 

*Personally, I can't see not wanting to join the league, getting you your badges and whatnot faster, but maybe some folks have their own personal reasons.

Andreah pointed out the issue.   There have been historical cases of MMs just hovering in the parking lot not doing anything but letting their minions collect XP from other people doing the knocking on doors.   And it was obvious multibox MMs just hanging out, usually by being in TF or AE mode.

 

AFK teammates aren't as bad since that's what bumps up the mob size and level coming out the doors.  

[Andreah]

2 hours ago, Gaymer X said:

 

If there is no claim on the hotel, then other players who may not want to join the league* can ToT there as well, yes?  Hopefully, league members don't get reported for kill-stealing if they get overzealous and attack spawns that weren't theirs.   

Possession may not be 100% of the law -- but it is 9/10ths. A player may not be breaking the rules in an actionable sense, but this is still a gross violation of well understood etiquette, shows they're an asshat, and I'd put them on my personal block list. Go find your own place to ToT. The only reason a single player or even a small team would camp the hotel a league is working is to quietly kill steal. There is no way they could ensure they were only defeating their own spawns and they know it.

 

All this effing childish trash behavior is why I don't lead leagues or participate in this event at all anymore.

[lemming]

8 minutes ago, Andreah said:

The only reason a single player or even a small team would camp the hotel a league is working is to quietly kill steal.

Sometimes I'll swing by the motel to knock on doors to finish up my whispered tips and get the league to grab my spawns.  Though I try to do that in less than full zone scenarios with the new 50 max.

[Troo]

Here's an example of not okay behavior:

 

3 MMs not doing anything. Anyone who opens a door losses targets to them.

[srmalloy]

5 hours ago, Andreah said:

In years past (this topic comes up every year, like clockwork) the GM's have said that they may, within their discretion, take actions against multi-boxers, kill-stealers and leeches when they are reported. 

With this year's reduction in the zone instance population limits to improve lag, an AFK MM not part of the league at the 'murder motel' is also chewing up zone population and could be preventing the league from filling.

[Ukase]

5 hours ago, Gaymer X said:

If there is no claim on the hotel, then other players who may not want to join the league* can ToT there as well, yes?

Certainly. I have taken literally dozens of characters to the PI motel solo, and would knock on doors, and use a macro I got from a sharp player that specifically targets the EBs. I wouldn't kill steal; just tag them. As long as I get a hit in, I'd get the badge credit. Well over 20 characters, nobody said a word to me. Odds are, one player with no pets, they didn't even notice. And with rain of fire or ice storm...it's pretty easy to tag a lot of npcs quickly. 

And really, when you're level 41, some characters will have a tough time with the EBs. I would click and move away from a door at the motel guilt free and click on another door on the characters I wanted Ostentatious badge on (50 costumes). It's slightly faster to just knock with a league clearing the mobs for you than clearing it yourself. And, in some cases, I might just join that league if they're killing GMs. If not, the end result is the same, except there's likely better xp on the league. But I don't care about XP. That's always around, even the 2xp isn't worth sweating. 

[Clave Dark 5]

11 hours ago, lemming said:

 There have been historical cases of MMs just hovering in the parking lot not doing anything but letting their minions collect XP from other people doing the knocking on doors.   And it was obvious multibox MMs just hanging out, usually by being in TF or AE mode.

"Historical"?  Ha ha I'm still seeing it nearly every time I ToT this year - same names same MMs.

 

And there's the problem: AFK leeching.  They're not active plus they're multi-boxing to boot. 

 

My usual description of this is: imagine if someone could just invite themselves into your next fire farm or whatever in the AE (assuming you're the kind of person who partakes), and then just sat at the door hoovering up some freebies based off of your time and effort.

[twozerofoxtrot]

9 hours ago, Troo said:

Here's an example of not okay behavior:

 

3 MMs not doing anything. Anyone who opens a door losses targets to them.

 

One of them being named Arriviste is just a little too on the nose.