Pylon Damage Thread

[Troo]

Just now, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

I use the stopwatch on my phone.

 

I tried a stop watch on the computer but kept forgetting to start or stop it.. you'd think I could remember something 2 or 3 minutes later.

[Bill Z Bubba]

10 minutes ago, Troo said:

I tried a stop watch on the computer but kept forgetting to start or stop it.. you'd think I could remember something 2 or 3 minutes later.

 

I turn 50 next month, Troo. I can't remember what day of the week it is.

[Linea]

I turn the logs and timestamps on, then use the logs. 

 

[Pzn]

On 5/6/2022 at 6:01 PM, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

Shouldn't we be using arcanatime on the .5 seconds? Since we're still talking about something that supposedly activates .5 seconds after the server registers that it's been clicked, using arcanatime would then calculate that .5 seconds up to .632 seconds for an uptime post click value for buildup of 9.312.

 

Edit: Side note on arcanatime. There's been mentions here and there that .132 is no longer an accurate value due to back end configuration changes. I've long wondered if the added overhead of virtualization is playing a role but I've no clue how to test it or how Arcana came to the conclusions she did all those years ago.

Thinking about this really hurts my brain but I think the arcana time has to be either part of the ATBE (animation time before effect) or split between the two.  Some of the scrapper chains I've managed to fit into the critical strikes window seem to work even though they are barely over by a fraction.

[SomeGuy]

On 5/9/2022 at 2:27 PM, Troo said:

 

wait, how do you do it?

 

Stopwatch on my phone.

[nemeros]

On 4/20/2022 at 7:50 PM, Ston said:

Ice/Bio Scrapper - 1:24 Best time

T4 Musc

T4 Degen

T4 Assault (passive)

T4 Ageless

 

Had to remove some proc slotting in ice sword and frozen aura in order to get enough recharge for Zapp. Verdict is that freezing touch is an amazing power for ATO2.

 

 

Hello,

 

Might you share your build please ?

 

Why cross punch instead of ice sword ? Better dpa ?

[SomeGuy]

24 minutes ago, nemeros said:

 

Why cross punch instead of ice sword ? Better dpa ?

 

 

Not sure his exact reason, but you can slap a -RES proc in it for sure. Cross Punch is definitely an interesting little power.

[Bill Z Bubba]

6 hours ago, SomeGuy said:

Cross Punch is definitely an interesting little power.

 

I still don't get it. Every time I've grabbed it, it's left me thinking it does far too little for its cost.

[SomeGuy]

2 hours ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

I still don't get it. Every time I've grabbed it, it's left me thinking it does far too little for its cost.

 

 

Sometimes it's DPA and cast time is about the same/better then the power you would replace it in the chain with. And it is a cone, so it can take different slotting. And if the build is already taking tough/weave it's not a big jump to take it. But it can take the Fury -RES proc (this is a big one) and also take the +RCHG proc if you want to use that one.

[Linea]

51 minutes ago, SomeGuy said:

Sometimes it's DPA and cast time is about the same/better then the power you would replace it in the chain with. And it is a cone, so it can take different slotting. And if the build is already taking tough/weave it's not a big jump to take it. But it can take the Fury -RES proc (this is a big one) and also take the +RCHG proc if you want to use that one.

Been there, done that.  It works in some cases.  I've used it a few other ways as well.  Just not often.

[SomeGuy]

1 hour ago, Linea said:

Been there, done that.  It works in some cases.  I've used it a few other ways as well.  Just not often.

 

It's normally way to deep to get unless I'm doing a "pylon only" build. Which I've only done once. On Test. I like having slotted attacks when I exemp.

[Ston]

12 hours ago, nemeros said:

Hello,

 

Might you share your build please ?

 

Why cross punch instead of ice sword ? Better dpa ?

 

Unfortunately I lost the build file since I made that post, but I put it together the best I could remember.

 

As the others said, Cross Punch is mainly there for the -res. Ice Melee doesn't get achilles, so you want to find places to put -res. I chose to put FoTG in Cross Punch and Annihilation in Frost. This turned out to do a pretty decent amount of -res. The +rech and +tohit from Cross Punch is a huge bonus too, especially if you have both boxing & kick. It does way more for you than Ice Sword IMO. You still have Ice Sword in the build to use at lower levels, though.

 

This build is geared toward beating up a pylon. In a "real" build I would take Lightning Ball and throw a bunch of procs in Frozen Aura. I got a pretty good trapdoor time when I had it like that (video in trapdoor thread).

 

 

Scrapper - Ice Melee - Bio Armor.mxd

Edited May 17, 2022 by Ston

[Linea]

/buildsave and /buildsavefile kinda sorta work, or did last I used them.   It's frequently not importable, but it's usually close enough to read to recreate.

[arcane]

Five runs on Poison/Dark/Psy Defender's newest build T4 Intuition Radial / Degen Core / Pyronic Core / Ageless Core / Assault Radial

 

Had Offense, Defense, and Survival Amplifiers

 

2:02

1:47

1:43

1:59

1:49

 

Average 1:52

[arcane]

Five runs on new toon Fire/Thermal/Psy Corruptor T4 Musculature Core / Degen Core / Pyronic Core / Ageless Core / Assault Radial

 

Had Offense, Defense, and Survival Amplifiers

 

1:39

1:41

1:43

1:28

1:23

 

Average 1:34

[SomeGuy]

5 hours ago, arcane said:

Five runs on new toon Fire/Thermal/Psy Corruptor T4 Musculature Core / Degen Core / Pyronic Core / Ageless Core / Assault Radial

 

Had Offense, Defense, and Survival Amplifiers

 

1:39

1:41

1:43

1:28

1:23

 

Average 1:34

 

I definitely get Thermal and how it adds to that, how does Psy?

 

Wait, Thermal on corruptors is a little different than I thought. Heat Exhaustion and Melt Armor look pretty gross together. Combine that with Fire's damage. Add the last part of a high HP target's HP being affected by scourge...

Edited June 20, 2022 by SomeGuy

[arcane]

36 minutes ago, SomeGuy said:

 

I definitely get Thermal and how it adds to that, how does Psy?

 

Wait, Thermal on corruptors is a little different than I thought. Heat Exhaustion and Melt Armor look pretty gross together, combined with Fire's damage. Add the last part of a high HP target's HP being affected by scourge...

I typically pick Psy for anything that cares about the single target attack chain for Dominate with 1 Acc/Dam 5 Damage Procs. 

 

Yeah, large amounts of -regen appear to equate to high DPS.

Edited June 20, 2022 by arcane

[SomeGuy]

1 minute ago, arcane said:

I typically pick Psy for anything that cares about the single target attack chain for Dominate with 1 Acc/Dam 5 Damage Procs. 

 

Yeah, large amounts of -regen appear to equate to high DPS.

 

 

Dominate definitely could be a proc monster...

[SomeGuy]

I disliked Stone Armor so much (due to runners, seriously it's that simple) but enjoy Radiation Melee so much I wanted to try a thing.

 

 

Pylon Times and Personal Rankings (All my own builds/characters. No lore/hybrid/temps used (unless noted). These are the average of 10+ runs.

Scrapper     RM/ENA     1:50 (Degen/Zapp/Proc)

 

This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.1.2.5
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Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Radiation Melee
Secondary Power Set: Energy Aura
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Radioactive Smash -- SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg(A), SprCrtStr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), TchofDth-Dam%(43), GldStr-%Dam(43), AchHee-ResDeb%(45)
Level 1: Kinetic Shield -- ShlWal-Def/EndRdx(A), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34), ShlWal-Def(45), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(46), Ksm-ToHit+(48)
Level 2: Dampening Field -- GldArm-ResDam(A), GldArm-End/Res(3), GldArm-3defTpProc(17)
Level 4: Power Shield -- Rct-ResDam%(A), Rct-Def(5), Rct-Def/EndRdx(5), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(13), Rct-Def/Rchg(15), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 6: Fusion -- GssSynFr--Build%(A), RechRdx-I(7), RechRdx-I(7)
Level 8: Radiation Siphon -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(9), TchoftheN-%Dam(9), TchofDth-Dam%(11), GldStr-%Dam(11), AchHee-ResDeb%(13)
Level 10: Entropic Aura -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(17)
Level 16: Energy Protection -- Ags-Psi/Status(A), Ags-ResDam(23), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx(37), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(37)
Level 18: Irradiated Ground -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(19), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), Arm-Dam%(21), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(21), AchHee-ResDeb%(23)
Level 20: Energy Cloak -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(48)
Level 22: Super Jump -- WntGif-ResSlow(A)
Level 24: Boxing -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(25)
Level 26: Devastating Blow -- Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(27), Hct-Dam%(27), SprCrtStr-Rchg/+50% Crit(34), GldStr-%Dam(36), AchHee-ResDeb%(36)
Level 28: Energize -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal(29), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(29), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(31), Prv-Heal/Rchg(31), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(31)
Level 30: Tough -- UnbGrd-Max HP%(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(36), UnbGrd-ResDam(45), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(46)
Level 32: Atom Smasher -- SprScrStr-Rchg/+Crit(A), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), SprScrStr-Dmg/Rchg(33), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), SprScrStr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 35: Energy Drain -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 38: Zapp -- Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Apc-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Apc-Dam%(39), Dcm-Build%(39), StnoftheM-Dam%(40), GldJvl-Dam%(40)
Level 41: Ball Lightning -- Rgn-Dmg/EndRdx(A), Rgn-Dmg(42), Rgn-Dmg/Rchg(42), Rgn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Rgn-Acc/Rchg(43)
Level 44: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx(46), ShlWal-Def(47), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(50)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- ShlWal-Def/EndRdx(A), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(47), ShlWal-Def(49)
Level 49: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 1: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(3)
Level 1: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PwrTrns-+Heal(48)
Level 49: Quick Form
Level 22: Double Jump
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
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[arcane]

Sounds fast AF for no Assault and for being non-/Bio or non-/Rad. I guess -res procs firing at the broken proc rate in Irradiated Ground completely mitigate the latter part?

 

My newish Kat/EnA is on the shortlist to test once its non-Lore Incarnates are done 🙂 

[SomeGuy]

5 hours ago, arcane said:

Sounds fast AF for no Assault and for being non-/Bio or non-/Rad. I guess -res procs firing at the broken proc rate in Irradiated Ground completely mitigate the latter part?

 

My newish Kat/EnA is on the shortlist to test once its non-Lore Incarnates are done 🙂 

 

RM benefits from procs a LOT, but I definitely know the ATO2 in Devastating Blow almost always going off is real nice. The chain I use is mostly DB - Snipe - RSiphon - RSmash. Sometimes that gets altered a tap, but that's the gist of it. I know @Pzn tried this combo with CS instead of RSmash and I wish I could remember how he liked it. If he takes a look at this build, it's pretty much the same as it was before, just altered a tap to get more Slow/Recharge resist. I was having zero issues clearing Infested DE at +4x8 with this guy last night, but that has everything to do with ENA and not relying on INSP. Honestly, I'm thinking of taking the Kismet +TOHIT out of the build and adding a Miracle Recovery. Once a Def Debuff hits I won't have an issue landing hits as it is, and the build has 30% global anyways. The lowest ST Debuff is 15%, so even that would be a straight up 15% increase to hit. Atom Smasher is 11% for it's AOE, so that's really nice.

 

Kat/ENA is a stupidly good combo. It can and will be fast AF for you. I've got a Kat/SR/ Kat/BIO, and Kat/Inv. You can guess which does the fastest DPS. I've given Kat/ENA a serious go on Brainstorm and it is REALLY good. Just as fast DPS as /INV and /SR, but you can definitely start averaging some real good speeds with Kat.

[Maxzero]

On 1/18/2022 at 11:46 PM, Enots said:

I used infrigidate, spectral, blind, spectral, mental blast. I try to not use mental blast depending on what other powers can be cast. Sleet and benumb are first priority when recharged. I could push ST DPS further if I was willing to give up proc'd psy nado and ranged softcap. I could swap Superior will proc into blind, build for more recharge, and switch to pyronic. Infirgidate has the new slow proc in it as well, everything is +5 (even though my mids shows +3), except the recharge IOs in spectral wounds to help it proc slightly more. 

 

 

 

This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.0.6.0
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Phant: Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Illusion Control
Secondary Power Set: Cold Domination
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Psionic Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Spectral Wounds -- Apc-Dam%(A), Apc-Dmg(3), Apc-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Apc-Acc/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Infrigidate -- PcnoftheT-Acc/EndRdx(A), AchHee-ResDeb%(7), TchofLadG-%Dam(7), ShlBrk-%Dam(11), ImpSwf-Dam%(13), Empty(17)
Level 2: Blind -- HO:Nucle(A), NrnSht-Dam%(15), GldJvl-Dam%(15), GhsWdwEmb-Dam%(34), UnbCns-Dam%(37), GldNet-Dam%(39)
Level 4: Ice Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 6: Deceive -- CrcPrs-Conf%(A), CrcPrs-Conf/EndRdx(40), CrcPrs-Conf(40), CrcPrs-Conf/Rchg(43), CrcPrs-Acc/Conf/Rchg(45), CrcPrs-Acc/Rchg(45)
Level 8: Hover -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(9), BlsoftheZ-Travel(9), BlsoftheZ-ResKB(11)
Level 10: Glacial Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Boxing -- AbsAmz-ToHitDeb%(A), AbsAmz-EndRdx/Stun(17), AbsAmz-Stun/Rchg(46), AbsAmz-Acc/Stun/Rchg(46), AbsAmz-Acc/Rchg(46)
Level 16: Tough -- ResDam-I(A)
Level 18: Phantom Army -- ExpRnf-Acc/Rchg(A), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(19), ExpRnf-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(25), SlbAll-Build%(34), SlbAll-Dmg/Rchg(34)
Level 20: Arctic Fog -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(21), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(21), GldArm-3defTpProc(23)
Level 22: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(23), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(40)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(25)
Level 26: Spectral Terror -- SprWiloft-Rchg/Dmg%(A), SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx/Rchg(27), SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear(27), SprWiloft-Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/Rchg(31), SprWiloft-EndRdx/Rchg(31), SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx(31)
Level 28: Benumb -- Acc-I(A), RechRdx-I(29), RechRdx-I(29)
Level 30: Snow Storm -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 32: Phantasm -- ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(A), ExpRnf-Dmg/EndRdx(33), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), ExpRnf-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(33)
Level 35: Sleet -- Artl-End/Rech/Rng(A), Artl-Acc/Rech/Rng(36), Artl-Acc/Dam(36), Artl-Dam/End(36), Artl-Dam/Rech(37), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech(37)
Level 38: Heat Loss -- PrfShf-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(A), PrfShf-EndMod/Rchg(39), EffAdp-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(39)
Level 41: Mental Blast -- Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), Thn-Acc/Dmg(42), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(43), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 44: Mind Over Body -- Ags-ResDam(A), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx(45)
Level 47: Psionic Tornado -- HO:Nucle(A), Bmbdmt-+FireDmg(48), ExpStr-Dam%(48), FrcFdb-Rechg%(48), PstBls-Dam%(50), JvlVll-Dam%(50)
Level 49: Indomitable Will -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment 
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 1: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 1: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A)
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon 
Level 50: Ion Core Final Judgement 
Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface 
Level 50: Banished Pantheon Radial Superior Ally 
Level 50: Ageless Core Epiphany 
Level 50: Assault Radial Embodiment 
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Bit of a late reply but an easy way to cheese /Cold on pylon tests is to take Burnout. Then you can just double stack Heatloss and Sleet at the start of the battle (-108 res).

 

Its how the /Cold MM got an 8 second pylon time.

 

Burnout can be used to cheese any pylon test which has sets with super long CDs but super high impact.

Edited June 25, 2022 by Maxzero

[Enots]

1 hour ago, Maxzero said:

 

Bit of a late reply but an easy way to cheese /Cold on pylon tests is to take Burnout. Then you can just double stack Heatloss and Sleet at the start of the battle (-108 res).

 

Its how the /Cold MM got an 8 second pylon time.

 

Burnout can be used to cheese any pylon test which has sets with super long CDs but super high impact.

That's a great idea. This build is mostly a general game play build, it keeps softcapped ranged and proc'd psynado. If I were to build a pylon destroyer I would focus more on recharge and add burnout per your suggestion. 

[SomeGuy]

2 hours ago, Maxzero said:

 

Bit of a late reply but an easy way to cheese /Cold on pylon tests is to take Burnout. Then you can just double stack Heatloss and Sleet at the start of the battle (-108 res).

 

Its how the /Cold MM got an 8 second pylon time.

 

Burnout can be used to cheese any pylon test which has sets with super long CDs but super high impact.

 

 

This is absolutely laffo and I honestly might make a thugs/cold MM on Brainstorm to see.

[Maxzero]

13 hours ago, Enots said:

That's a great idea. This build is mostly a general game play build, it keeps softcapped ranged and proc'd psynado. If I were to build a pylon destroyer I would focus more on recharge and add burnout per your suggestion. 

 

My only issue with Psi is that IW and the res Toggle are both fantastic but both the attacks are kinda bad stat wise.

 

Controller is kind of spoilt when it comes to PPP and AP, there are so many strong choices.

 

Most Controllers tend to be pretty decent defensively by their very nature, often having tanky pets with good buffing secondaries and CC. Most of the time I find I want more damage then yet another layer of protection on a character that already has multiple layers of defence yets tend to takes smaller amounts of attacks directly.

 

Sure you may get downed at times where a more tanky Controller would of lived but if you are moving 20-30% faster the rest of the time you end up way ahead.

Edited June 26, 2022 by Maxzero