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Go back and re-read the OP. The toggle would be built into the build screen. So you would still have to go back to the trainer to change it. Follow up proposals named Null the Gull instead as an option. So you would have to go to Pocket D and talk to Null to change it. So yes, my comment still stands.

Which is also achievable by using the existing options of slotting one build to convert your KB to KD and another build to not. A flat toggle is not the answer. More enhancement sets that grant KB to KD procs are. Make those sets more appealing to the "KB is suckage and should have never existed" crowd, and the complaints about an "enhancement tax" go away. Make new sets to expand the options for how players are going to play, not the toggle the OP is asking for. Edit: You can even introduce new sets that have a KB to KU proc instead for variety and entertainment factor. Edit again: KB to Kock In procs? Now you vacuum foes towards you? That could be entertainingly weird.

This suggestion is hilarious. I'm for it. I'll never use it, but it does give those complaining that they have too much inf' something entertaining to get that gives us paupers and lowly peasants both something funny to watch and a possible infusion of extra inf'.

Explain this then. Dropping what you are currently doing to chase KB'ed foes is not the same thing as quitting a team. Edit: Apologies for the tardiness of this post. I was giving @kelika2 time to realize the error of that post and hide it. Edit again: If that post does get hidden, then this one will be too. As soon as I find out.

The Chasers are described as being cheaper and easier to make than the Skiffs, so maybe they are drones? Trying to miniaturize aircraft isn't exactly cheap. And using cheaper materials including junk, which I believe was part of the Longbow Chaser's description, precludes it being an effective piloted platform. Entertaining head canon aside, I have to say I am against this too. Specifically for the limiting them to outdoor maps only. I can't say for certain in CoX, but in CO, all instanced maps were "indoor" maps even when flagged as outdoor maps. So you could never use your vehicles on the large outdoor instance maps. That said, maybe a compromise approach would work? A derivative platform that may be similar to the Sky Skiff but is not the Sky Skiff so it works for player models and can be used on indoor maps? Like a hover pod or something? I don't want to trash the OP. The OP itself is a fun idea. It just may not be implementable as proposed.

I can't decide if this is funny or aggravating. Either way, this statement is nonsense. I can't be unique in this. My Energy Blast Blaster does just fine. Admittedly, my Blaster is set up as Energy Blast/Energy Manipulation. And those choices synergize well. So Energy Blast does have a secondary that works with it. I can probably throw an Energy Blast/Devices Blaster together and have those sets synergize very well too. So far, your argument about EB being bad is that it doesn't mesh well with Fire Manipulation. So I have to ask, is that maybe because certain primaries and secondaries are designed to work together rather than with everything? Players can make whatever they want. And the options for what they can make and play is rather staggering. I love it. However, it is up to the player to figure out how to make the different power sets they take for their characters work together.

So because they can slot a SA or OF, they have to stick with just those two choices? The new KB to KD set is exclusively for those players that want KB to not even exist? I just went from being in favor of the OP to against it. If a set is made to convert KB to KD, it should be available to all players that want to convert KB to KD, not just those that want KB to not even exist.

Still doesn't change my stance on it needing to be a proc slotted into a power rather than a universal effect. I'm happy to have more sets. Gives players more options for their builds. I'm very much against a universal KB to KD though. Especially since that would mean players that are looking for more options for KB to KD but don't want it for all their powers would be left standing out in the cold with the proposed set. Making it a proc instead of a universal means that any and every player that wants to convert any KB to KD can use the set instead of just those players that want all KB to go away.

Of those 2 sets, one is a unique set and both are considered "enhancement taxes". They are considered "taxes" because the players slotting them can't get the bonuses they want from those sets. So they only slot the proc and then cram as much of their preferred set in as they still can. If the proposed KB to KD set were to give the players bonuses they wanted, then they would have an incentive to slot the set, maybe even the full 5 times, and stop calling KB to KD sets "enhancement taxes". Especially if you go the not-a-purple-set route you were thinking about to make it available to leveling characters.

I've always been told that some colors on some textures worked the way they did to prevent players from making nude characters and that skin color palette options are not available anywhere else for the same reason. I get the game is rated T, but come on. That line of reasoning was always silly. The players that figured out how to do so anyway? Their characters looked like they were wearing skin-colored body suits. (Or they just looked silly. Very, very silly.) Never naked. Kind of hard to look naked missing key attributes.

I would rather the set not have a universal KB to KD but instead have a proc that converts the slotted power's KB to KD. If making it a purple set, the 6-slot bonus could be a 10% recharge bonus, a 6% resist something, or basically anything else. If not a purple set, then just use a lesser bonus effect. Don't care as long as it is not a universal KB to KD set. *shrug* Otherwise? More sets that give players the option to change their KB to KD gives them more options for how to build, and that works for me.

No one is gatekeeping anyone's play style here. If you don't want KB on your powers, you can very easily slot the proc to change it to KD instead. That is why the procs exist after all. Edit: Different power sets call for different play styles. Sometimes even in the same AT. Players that demand those using KB power sets slot the KB to KD procs are the ones demanding others play using their preferred play styles. We're arguing against the power creep of the suggestion. The desire to be able to use more enhancement slots to make their character more efficient by not having to slot an enhancement to change powers to work the way they would rather they work. Edit again: I didn't find anything official, but I did find this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Cityofheroes/comments/c9yaot/general_enemy_average_damage_resistance_numbers/ Lethal: 14.60% Toxic: 13.70% Psionic: 11.19% Smashing: 10.80% Cold: 7.07% Energy: 5.84% Negative Energy: 5.51% Fire: 5.34% Removing the Archvillains/Heroes, Monsters/Giant Monsters, and Elite Bosses from the pool (leaving us with 571 enemies), these were the averaged resistances against each type. Lethal: 14.32% Toxic: 13.77% Psionic: 10.60% Smashing: 9.48% Cold: 6.31% Energy: 4.85% Fire: 4.66% Negative Energy: 4.54% According to that, energy is not "heavily resisted anyways".

Two if you want to convert KB to KD: Sudden Acceleration and Overwhelming Force. Though Overwhelming Force is a unique set so you can only slot any of its enhancements once. You can ask for more sets that grant KB to KD too, you know. No one would argue against more sets giving more options. In fact, I would really appreciate if the devs were to toss us a few more sets that gave that option so those that want the KB to KD effect have different options for their builds. What are you talking about? There is nothing stopping you from slotting your powers however you want. My Energy Blast Blaster for instance has 0 KB to KD procs slotted. I have that character geared for pure damage. Anything I hit dies. If it doesn't? It goes flying away out of melee range to be finished off with the follow up shot(s). Who says you have to convert KB to KD to have a solid KB power set build? (Edit: I don't take that character on any teams other than friends because of how other players react to anything with KB. Those I play with when I use that character though? Haven't asked me to stop yet. I'm not dumb enough to run into a spawn of enemies and pop my nuke scattering them for instance. That is a troll move.) No actually, @Luminara is not making your point for you. Unless you are on an open field map, there is always a wall somewhere nearby to bounce foes off of regardless of if the map is a warehouse, office, cave, lab, or base. Or you can knock them towards the tank. Or you can knock them back into whatever area effects your teammates have set up. Or you can just waffle stomp them yourself. You can do your own KD effect by simply jumping over the target and blasting them. You can call dibs on mobs or entire spawns and just eat them. And you can do all that without ever slotting a single KB to KD proc.

Your argument is not as solid as you think it is. If Seismic Blast is basically Energy Blast except it uses KD instead of KB, then that is a reason to not change Energy Blast. We are trying to avoid power creep (being able to enjoy the benefit of an enhancement without having to slot it, in this case as a build toggle) and avoid power set homogenization. Unless the end goal is for all power sets to work the exact same? Just different flavors of the same thing so a single play style works with them all? As for Thunderspy having already made this change? Don't care. Thunderspy can burn in a pit for all eternity for all I care. I do not like a lot of the changes Thunderspy made and would appreciate not having players trying to turn HC into Thunderspy. If what Thunderspy did is so great, then maybe play KD Energy Blast without KD procs on Thunderspy and play regular Energy Blast on Homecoming. That gives you the option to play both ways at will. (Not saying to go play on Thunderspy and go away, I'm saying if you can already play the way you like there, then play there with their version and play here with HC's version without trying to make the two very different servers the same.)

Psionic Tornado: 50% chance Mag +1.4 Knockup (all affected targets) https://cod.uberguy.net/html/power.html?power=blaster_ranged.psychic_blast.psionic_tornado&at=blaster Try again. Edit: Sorry, @Luminara. Didn't see your response before posting mine. Edit again: And until I see the recipe that lets a player craft something that changes their powers (and is not a respec) without having to be slotted in an enhancement slot, I call BS on your claim about having a crafted recipe that permanently affects a power without being slotted.

You're correct, Dual Pistols does have both KB and KD, and using the swap ammo power lets you change that to toxic damage (from smash/lethal) with minor damage debuff on target, fire damage with DoT, or cold damage with slow effect. How it does that is by use of a power you must select and then toggle to do so. Which takes the place of the more ubiquitious Aim power other Blaster sets get in some form. So you are giving up a commonly taken power to get that ability. So instead of an "enhancement tax" as some players like to describe SA or OF, you have a "power tax". So even with that reference provided, I am still opposed to the OP. You want a new energy blasting power set that works more like Dual Pistols? Propose the set. You want to take Energy Blast or any other KB power set and not have KB, but have KD instead? Slot the proc. You don't want the proc to be a "tax"? Slot the set in part or whole. And using KU instead of KD is the same thing. No. I am opposed to that. If you want Energy Blast or any other KB set to do KU instead of KB? Ask for an enhancement set that does that.

I concede that the obvious effects are lesser than poorly used KB and at least in the case of immob'ed targets, simpler to deal with. Feared mobs just up and running away however doesn't require a power with a set fear effect. Damage patches and debuff patches or debuff toggles work almost equally well for that since mob flee mechanics are so seriously broken. I also concede that yes, the fear and immobs are more situational, both in application and number of powers that utilize such effects, than sets that have KB in all their attack powers and can be poorly used. My point that a troll is going to troll, an inexperienced player can be as detrimental to a team regardless of what game mechanics their power set uses, and that teams are surprisingly more willing to cut slack for even a troll trolling their missions if (s)he claims ignorance rather than work with a KB character still stands though.

I wholeheartedly disagree. The problem is a perceptual one or a play style one. I've been on full teams with KB heavy characters before, specifically Energy Blast, and there were no complaints because of how the Energy Blast player leveraged his/her character's abilities to work with the team. (Edit: Or because the Energy Blast player killed the KB'ed target(s) before the melees had to chase it down.) I've been on small teams where the moment someone realizes a character is a KB character, particularly Energy Blast, they very vocally and adamantly demand the KB player use KB2KD procs or leave the team. And if the vocal individual is the leader? Too often the KB player isn't even given the choice, let alone the opportunity to demonstrate how KB can be used, and is just booted. That is not an implementation problem. Nor is it a "KB is bad" problem. KB is one of those game mechanics that can be tricky to fully master. It is also one where vocal players won't even grant opportunities to see it can actually benefit the team. Yes, poor use of KB is detrimental to teams, but so is poor use of other game mechanics like immobilization. You think players can't "accidentally" immobilize targets outside of the other players' effect radii? Keeping the already scattered mobs scattered without stopping them from attacking? Which still forces those players that complain about KB to have to chase down the scattered mobs. Or how about spamming fear effects to make the mobs the Tanker is managing just up and scatter out of his/her/its reach? If trolls want to troll a team and make it look like "an honest mistake", they don't need KB to do so. However, players are typically willing to cut those other players slack "because they are obviously a noob and just need to learn how to use their abilities right". If a player doesn't know how to leverage a set's benefits, they can play poorly regardless of what secondary effects, or even primary effects in some cases, their character uses. The OP you proposed is not a fix. It is a cheat trying to get an enhancement's benefit without having to get and use the enhancement so you can devote that enhancement slot to something you deem 'better', or it is a cop out to the demands of players that won't even consider the benefits of KB, or worse, both. The first possibility is the desire to play ever more powerful characters in a game that already can't deal with all the power creep it has requiring the devs to come up with a whole new set of difficulties to try to compensate. The second possibility is just surrendering to others' demands that you play the way they want rather than the way you want. The third possibility is a surrender that seeks to eke out even more power as compensation. Edit: And no, I am not against having more options in the game. What I am against in this thread is trying to get a benefit without having to use what grants that benefit. No free procs. If you want the effect of an enhancement, then slot the enhancement. And for those getting ready to argue that set bonuses grant you enhancement bonuses without having to slot an enhancement for it? You're wrong. You have to slot 2-6 enhancements from a pre-defined set to get those benefits.

I read and re-read and re-re-read the OP. I don't see how you can say it is anything other than what I said it is.

First, the OP further homogenizes the power sets. Instead of learning the quirks of a set and leveraging it to his/her advantage, the OP wants to strip out a benefit so the sets all play the same. Second, we already have the enhancements to strip KB from powers and instead use KD. The Sudden Acceleration set's whole purpose is to give players the ability to change KB to KD and it even comes with 3 damage boosting enhancements, damage set bonus, and global recharge bonus. Third, if Energy Blast as a set is so bad, then ask to have it gone over by the devs rather than try to get the benefits of a free enhancement. (Edit: Though I disagree that Energy Blast is a bad set. My energy/martial Blaster devours the opposition.)

That top quote from @CompSciNerd is in the OP. So getting the benefit of an enhancement without having to slot it is exactly what the OP is asking for.

I'm against this too. If you were to replace Aim (which I am very much against because players are already using that power) with "Focused Force", then the effect I would make Focused Force give is guaranteed knockback.

The pushback is the OP wants the benefit of an enhancement without having to slot it. So if the request is for an enhancement's benefit without having to slot it, then the price should be an enhancement. Ergo, -42.4% damage penalty. The effects of a single level 50 IO damage enhancement. The flexibility to use or not use knockback is already available in the multiple builds every character gets and the availability of knockback to knockdown enhancements. Make one build with the knockback to knockdown enhancements and another build without them. Voila. Now you have the flexibility to use or not use knockback as you see fit.

I think we had this discussion before. The first and last time I tried a Kheldian was shortly after they were introduced. There has been a comment or two sent my way that they aren't so heavily biased any more, so I should at least give them another try. I simply refuse to at this time. There is a plethora of character concepts and builds for me to try before I even think about dealing with a Kheldian ever again.

I don't play Kheldians because I hate them. Never got over a lone lieutenant constantly 1-shotting my level 1 PB making the mission impossible to complete. So I don't care what happens with them. Energy Blast though? My Energy Blast Blaster is my 2nd most powerful Blaster. (Edit: Well, ranged character since I count my Corruptors in that mix too. And my most powerful ranged character is my fire/dark Corruptor.) Absolutely devastating the mobs regardless of faction or mission. So I very much disagree that the OP would make them "maybe playable". How about this? If the players want free KB to KD so they don't have to slot the enhancements we already have to do exactly that? Then I would be fine with them getting a toggle to do so if they suffered a -33.3% damage penalty while the toggle was active. (Edit: Actually, make it a -42.4% damage penalty while the toggle is active. A negative IO rather than SO.)