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Devastation's hold proc lasts 6 seconds. If you're constantly stacking magnitude it will eventually be high enough to hold a boss. Long time Controller/Dominator player. 😉

This is exactly where I view the strength of the Sentinel. I can't defend Sentinel AoE in any measure of good faith, but I do believe there are case arguments to be made for single-target.

Sentinel is objectively weaker on AoE mostly due to target caps. Some blast sets have other factors and variables that push that even further. Like Blaster/Defender/Corruptor Archery/Assault Rifle has a better uptime on Rain of Arrows/Full Auto vs Sentinels. Single-target damage between these ATs gets blurry and gets blurry real fast when talking complete builds. Blasters by default do the most damage but there are a lot of players that do not build on that strength. Instead, Blasters build to close the defensive weakness of the AT. This often results in a lot of attacks slotted with 6pc Thunderstrikes vs a slotting strategy with more damage procs. Some Defenders and Corruptors can get away with slotting less defense in their blasts and push more damage procs (sets like Time Manipulation are extremely good at allowing this). Sentinels don't need to try nearly so hard covering their defensive bases since it is baked into their secondary. Not all secondaries are created equal but even layered defense sets (e.g., Willpower, Energy Aura, etc.) can allow for better damage slotting in Sentinel primaries. You couple the opportunity for better damage slotting (i.e., more procs) with better single-target rotations and Sentinels get far more competitive than they appear to on paper. This gets better and better in the Incarnate realm where Sentinels don't need the Clarion/Agility/Spiritual/etc to close gaps. Sentinels won't beat a Blaster when playing at the damage cap but for any other times the Sentinel can be very competitive. Sentinels live in a weird in-between world. They have AoE target caps like a melee AT but can hit more surface area. Due to certain power changes, many Sentinels have better single-target potential than other blast sets but always lack the burst damage of a Blaster. Even though Sentinels can't burst like a Blaster their high consistency during self-buff downtime adds up to a lot of potential damage.

Depends on what you mean by "better". The two are so similar that a decision on which to use is going to boil down to personal preference. Things Nin has: Both a health and endurance clickable heal. These two powers can both be enhanced to be available frequently and each recover resource in bulk. At around level 28 you can pick up a power that grants minor resistance to all, and grants some knockback/down protection. This protection is not covered by your standard mezz resist power that unlocks early. Nin has a click mezz resist (it has no knockback/down protection) that also grants some psionic resistance. The heal clickable grants some resistance to toxic damage. Shinobi-Iri has a stealth component and a movement speed buff. It is also minor defense to all. This can be your travel power when combined with Ninja Run and the other default features (Sprint/Hurdle/Swift). Blinding Powder at level 35 is a source for gaining a Confuse power effect which can be fun. It's even better as an IO mule. Nin and SR have a similar T9 but the big takeaway for Nin is that their T9 is a source of Defense Debuff Resistance (DDR) that the set doesn't have a lot of. SR: Has an endurance recovery power that works over time like Stamina but is more potent. Has a choice between a clickable mezz resist OR a clickable health absorb shield that adds your mezz resist passively to powers you're already taking. There is no knockdown/back hole. SR has +20% recharge and movement speed buff with the power Quickness. SR has more DDR natively in the set. SR has scaling resistance values the lower your health gets, but it has no clickable heal of it's own (that absorb is handy to cover your butt though). SR has slightly higher defense numbers making it cheaper to soft-cap in terms of power selection, slots used, and/or IO bonuses needed. In short, Nin has components that more active and clicky vs SR which is more passive. SR can save you some influence on chasing global recharge since you get 20% off the bat. Nin has more IO set diversity which lets you squeeze out a small amount of damage, but only if you're using IO sets that make use of it. So if you want more passive performance, you value stronger DDR, and perhaps some less expense to your build, go SR. If you're planning to spend a dragon's horde of influence on the build, and you like having more control over the quality of life elements, then go Nin.

I wouldn't bother 4 slotting health. The Numina, Miracle, and Panacea are more than enough. Sentinel SR can also take on a second Performance Shifter in Enduring. Few builds ever *need* Regenerative Tissue, but if you can fit it in, go for it. [Edit, for clarity on why I feel this way. You need several things for Regenerative Tissue to be worth the cost, and the 4th slot. First, it is more efficient than a heal IO. However, you need quite a bit in the way of hit points to make use of the regeneration effect of Health in the first place. Second, you also need to have sources to boost your regeneration on top of the hit points. So that 4th slot might let you recover 13 hit points per second over 12. It can likely be better than that example, but for the most part it will not be a game changer. Your slot and influence may have better value elsewhere. If your damage/defenses are covered and you can spare it, then go for it.] The Preventive Medicine proc can go anywhere. I have had it go off even without using the self heal I have in Ninjutsu. Preventive Med is also a good one to consider for a full set. At 6 pcs it comes with a slightly over 8.x% recharge bonus. Reactive Defenses is similar too (same 6pc) and fits amazingly well in SR since it isn't slot starved. The two of these can get you 17% recharge and other goodies with some reasonable investment. These also have some slight endurance discount attached to them too. They aren't dirt cheap, but sometimes they can get close. I've seen Preventive Med parts going for 1-2 million and occasionally 3 million. If you're patient, then low ball the sales because I think people are sleeping on these sets.

I contemplated doing something like that with my Water Blast character. That mastery is very much in theme.

Perhaps you should read my current work-in-progress write-up on DP (page 3, scroll a bit). There are only 5 attacks that are essential for damage. Executioner's Shot, Suppressive Fire, and Pistols for single-target. Bullet Rain and Hail of Bullets for AoE. Empty Clips is an honorable mention. You can potentially skip Piercing Rounds and/or Dual Wield. I find the ammo powers are all or nothing. Make a decision to run one based on what you feel is necessary and do that. Incendiary Ammo adds over 30% damage to Piercing Rounds which is delivered in less than 3 seconds. It's significant enough that it overpowers what that -9.6% resistance debuff does for the next 10 seconds. I've run the math on doing the toggle dance, and you'll get more DPS not messing with that non-sense. You can get higher DPS not using Piercing Rounds at all, but this has caveats. As I stated, run an ammo as all or nothing. Why? Well you can potentially be a force multiplier running standard ammo. Piercing Rounds imposes -9.6% resistance which *can* be a benefit on some team make-ups. While you're at it, you may as well keep ammo off since Pistols, Empty Clips and Executioner's Shot will debuff defense too. That's an increase on your team's accuracy which can be beneficial on lower level content, and with some groups later. At higher levels you can toss this idea out the window and brute force your way through things depending on how much you abuse damage procs or not. If you don't do that, well then carry on with being a Defender-lite. That flexibility is something I really enjoy. Standard ammo has knock back tied to Dual Wield, Empty Clips, Bullet Rain, Executioner's Shot, and a 100% chance in Hail of Bullets to knock down. Cryo Ammo* replaces all that KB/KD with attack speed and movement slows. That's got a lot of potential for builds relying on a lot of regeneration or looking to help a slow heavy team (Time Manipulation, Ice sets, Tar Patch, Lingering Radiation, whatever). Chemical Ammo* reduces enemy damage which can also be a boon for resistance and regen-based sets. It can also be a nice added perk when paired with other debuffers that have bigger numbers. *Just to note though, not running Incendiary Ammo is a significant DPS loss. It's not tiny on Sentinels as the damage modifier of the AT exceeds the modifier to whatever debuffs it has. So know that by running anything heavily defensive in nature like Cryo/Chemical is going to cost you damage. If that loss of damage prolongs combat vs just taking enemies down fast in the first place, then it's not worth it. Standard ammo is different though since you're potentially contributing team damage by a minor resistance debuff, but more importantly... 3 sources of -defense. You can, at least... I DO, run into situations where Incendiary Ammo is better almost always. Again, all of that depends on how you slot ultimately, and what kind of group your with as well as the content. The only power I don't have on my DP/Nin is Dual Wield. I have Pistols and Suppressive Fire with 3x procs and Executioner's Shot with 2. Even if you don't get that extreme, those 3 powers are still the best single-target options in the set. Piercing Rounds gets an honorable mention that since it can hit 3 targets, it's damage contribution is increased for every enemy past the first. However, against a single tough target (AV/GM) Piercing Rounds is a DPS loss.

I played with it on Justin along with Gaussian's in Tactics. I used Decimation in Pistols and found that the observed results matched the expectations. Gaussian's rarely, if ever, triggered in Tactics and one time, after 12 minutes of nothing, the proc goes off after a Pylon exploded (LOL). I'm on board with the idea that if you're using 5pc Decimation already then the proc may as well be there. You'll gain some benefit but there is little reason to go out of your way for it. My opinion on the proc is different for powers with longer base cool downs like Epic/Patron holds though.

I'll make that more clear. I was drafting that and almost lost all of it. So I'll go through and edit. The -res can potentially be a force multiple on certain teams, and I'll bring that up. However, that may not always be the case (depends on who you're with). However, it is not DPS neutral for solo damage. It is a potential DPS loss to flip off Incendiary Ammunition for a -9,6% resistance debuff. Incendiary Ammunition adds substantial damage to Piercing Rounds and the DoT is only 3 seconds. The -resistance is 10 seconds long. In order to squeeze your hardest hitting powers within 10 seconds you'll open with Piercing, then Executioner - Suppressive - Pistols - Executioner - Piercing Rounds. Finishing that is 12.012 seconds but lets the next Piercing Rounds take advantage of the buff (it'll start at 9.73s mark). Keeping Incendiary on all the time is a 12 DPS gain for me. On the flip side, you can run Pistols -> [Executioner's Shot -> Pistols -> Suppressive Fire]*2 -> Pistols in 12.144 seconds. The DPS difference for my set is 32 pts in favor of not using Piercing Rounds by toggle flipping and a 21 DPS difference vs using Piercing Rounds with Incendiary Ammo.

Primary Powerset: Dual Pistols Medium+ Single-Target Damage*, Medium+ Area of Effect (AoE) Damage* (2 Cones, 1 Targeted, 1 PBAoE), Medium Control**, Medium Debuff Potential** *Ammunition powers will add variance and Dual Pistols has many proc options which also push damage higher. **Ammunition powers introduce options for controls such as Hold or Knockdown as well as various debuff options. Dual Pistols is a unique blast set which was added during the Going Rogue expansion and was released alongside Issue 18. Dual Pistols features some incredibly over the top gun fu inspired by Hong Kong action films. Perhaps one of the most notable sources of inspiration stems from the 2002 cult classic film Equilibrium. What makes Dual Pistols so unique from other blast sets is that it includes neither a snipe nor Aim. Alternatively, Dual Pistols features an ammunition swap mechanic in place of Aim and Executioner's Shot in the place of a snipe. The level 26 power, Piercing Rounds, is a unique cone with the "Narrow" quality giving it an area of effect more like a line. Beam Rifle, introduced in Issue 21, is the only other set with a similar cone. Dual Pistols is often criticized for its low to mid tier damage and the powers it lacks (e.g., Aim). However, the way Dual Pistols is designed makes its effectiveness deceptive. In practice, Dual Pistols is a better set than it often gets credit for. Dual Pistols is a fantastic support set with decent damage output. All Dual Pistols powers have some secondary effect (sometimes several) which is improved by archetype modifiers. Defenders have the highest of these values with Sentinels having the lowest of these values. Sentinels can still contribute as minor support despite this if they so choose. The strength of Dual Pistols is its versatility. This versatility can change how you use the set in various team compositions. Invention Origin (IO) sets also open up a lot of build opportunity to close its damage dealing gaps. Beginner's Overview So, if my fantasy of being Mark Lee (A Better Tomorrow, 1986), John Preston (Equilibrium, 2002), Wesley Gibson (Wanted, 2008), or John Wick (John Wick, 2014) isn't met with WTFBBQ levels of damage then what gives? Dual Pistols has several quick animating and recharging powers. The speed of these powers comes with lower damage per hit, but this doesn't mean the powers are weak. A nice feature of Dual Pistols, at least for Sentinels, is that most of the powers are relatively competitive with one another in various circumstances and conditions. This means you can choose powers you want and ultimately build around your choices. Not many power sets offer that when discussing optimization options. As noted before, the powers for dealing damage offer a lot of options and flexibility. On top of that, Dual Pistols gain access to Swap Ammo. This power is your Aim replacement and it grants you the ability to change how you play. This gameplay swapping can change the effects of your powers to either grant additional damage or change the fundamental debuff associated with various effects. Below is an overview of how the ammunition system works. Swap Ammo: About 70% of every Dual Pistol attack is Lethal damage. The other 30% of the damage depends on which of the 4 ammunition types are currently active. The default ammunition is "Standard" which is also Lethal (so 100% Lethal by default). Each power also carries with it some form of secondary effect. These secondary effects are replaced based on the ammunition type being used. Below is a list of each power's effect under Standard Ammunition. Suppressive Fire is an exception to this design. Suppressive Fire splits its damage 50/50 between lethal and elemental types. Power Secondary Effect Pistols Defense Debuff Dual Wield Chance to Knockback Empty Clips Chance to Knockback, Defense Debuff Suppressive Fire Stun Bullet Rain Chance to Knockback Executioner’s Shot Chance to Knockback, Defense Debuff Piercing Rounds Resistance Debuff Hail of Bullets Chance to Knockdown* *During Standard Ammunition the chance to knockdown at the end of the animation is guaranteed but moves down to "chance to knockdown" with other ammo types. Swap Ammo grants 3 toggle powers which cost no endurance to run. If no toggle is active, then the default Standard Ammunition is used. Chemical Ammunition converts the secondary damage from Lethal to Toxic. All secondary effects are replaced with a damage debuff except for Suppressive Fire which is changed to a Hold effect. Cryo Ammunition converts the secondary damage from Lethal to Cold. All secondary effects are replaced with a slow (both attack rate and move speed) except for Suppressive Fire which is changed to a Hold effect. Special: The Sentinel version of this power grants a 33% bonus to power range. Turning this power on does add a buff that can be viewed in the Combat Attributes and it will improve the range of your powers. The exact text of the effect in the power description states it ignores buffs and enhancements. So while my Combat Attributes shows me a total of 53% range bonus due to the two ATO's the real effect does seem to ignore that. So the range addition isn't particularly great, but it also seems to effect the cone width on Empty Clips (and like Piercing Rounds but currently not using it). So this effect brings some additional utility for creative players to tinker with. Thanks to @Riverdusk for pointing it out and encouraging further testing. Incendiary Ammunition converts the secondary damage from Lethal to Fire. All secondary effects are replaced with a short duration fire-based damage-over-time (DoT) except for Suppressive Fire which is changed to a Hold effect. Dual Pistols has a host of options. Chemical Ammunition's -damage debuff may not be much, but it can contribute to damage mitigation for the Sentinel as well as teammates. Slow effects and knockdown/knockback are good ways to allow regeneration effects to heal the Sentinel. Even if these effects don't do much by themselves they do interact with other archetypes to magnify them. Experiment! Explore! Slotting Basic Slotting Dual Pistols is a set with higher than normal innate accuracy. This partially makes up for not having Aim and can let many players get away with running 1 accuracy enhancement. There are also 3 powers that can reduce defense with Standard Ammunition which should help reduce misses in the lower levels. Most of the attacks in Dual Pistols recharge and animate rather quickly and it will create a significant drag on your endurance. I recommend at least 1 endurance reduction in your attacks. The amount of recharge reduction is going to depend based on how many attacks you have selected. If you're taking everything in order to explore the set, then you should have at least one power available. I wouldn't recommend enhancing damage beyond 3 Single Origin (SO) or basic Invention Origin (IO). The diminishing returns on enhancements isn't worth pursuing. This may leave 1 slot open if you are fully enhancing a power(s). You could further enhance recharge or endurance modification. You may also wish to enhance some of the secondary effects like defense debuffs. Keep in mind that defense debuffs are linked to Standard Ammunition and those enhancements will offer no benefits with other ammunition types. Advanced Slotting Dual Pistols is a set that is wide open for creative build possibilities. Realizing this potential can also be closely linked to your secondary power set. What this means is that some secondary sets may demand more defense potential from IO sets found within the Ranged Attack category (e.g., Thunderstrike). If your Dual Pistols is paired with a resistance-based secondary, then you may want to consider the more defensive-based sets. If your Dual Pistols is paired with a defense-based secondary (e.g., Super Reflexes), then your attacks should be enhanced to maximize their damage output. Maximizing your damage output under this context is about using damage procs (e.g., Explosive Strikes (Knockback Set): Chance for Smashing Damage). While there are a number of options to chose from, a Sentinel is primarily a damage dealing archetype and gains more out of damage enhancement over enhancing secondary benefits (e.g., Defense Debuff, Hold Duration, etc.). I did mention that players should feel free to explore though. So you should make careful consideration about the ramifications on fully enhancing a primarily damage dealing power with something that is not directly related to damage. If doing something like this works for you and your teammates, then go for it. However, for most players this is not an optimal path to take. Pistols - This can take a number of sets from the Ranged Attack, Defense Debuff, and Accurate Defense Debuff categories. Ideally, you want a damage set here to enhance the primary function of the Sentinel. However, you can accomplish this in a number of ways. If you are running a resistance set (e.g., Radiation Armor) then look for sets that grant you some defense or recharge. Thunderstrike is a good one for defense and Decimation is good for recharge. If your defense is already covered by a secondary (e.g., Super Reflexes), then you have several options. You can keep to running a complete or nearly complete set (5-6pc) or you can explore damage procs. Pistols can accept the Achilles' Heel, Touch of Lady Grey, Shieldbreaker, and Gladiator's Javelin procs. Dual Wield - General slotting is going to be very similar to Pistols with the exception of which auxiliary sets it can access. Dual Wield cannot access the Defense or Accurate Defense debuff category but it can access the Knockdown and Slow categories. Sets of note include the Impeded Swiftness, Explosive Strikes, and Force Feedback for their available procs. Force Feedback is a possible way to "cheat" in extra global recharge reduction to a build and several powers can take this. Empty Clips - This power accepts the Targeted Ranged Attack, Knockback, Slow and Defense Debuff categories. Ideally, you will want to maximize the damage potential but there are some very good procs that work in this power. Sudden Acceleration's Knockback to Knockdown makes for a welcome change in groups. Force Feedback's Chance for Recharge has a chance to trigger per target hit. This power can also accept Achilles' Heel's resistance debuff as well as several damage procs. I recommend players stick to something that primarily benefits damage up to 5 slots, but a 6th slot is a good reserve for some form of proc. Ideally that proc is utility-based like Force Feedback or Achilles' Heel. Suppressive Fire - This power accepts Ranged Attack, Stun and Hold category sets. The Hold category is the real gem here. The Hold category has 4 damage procs available! Damage procs are what makes Suppressive Fire potentially one of, if not the, hardest hitting powers in the set. If you are not a fan of random chance effects, then this power loses a lot of effectiveness. If you're running Standard Ammunition the most, then this power is still one of the strongest damage powers in the set. It is worth enhancing the damage in some form. I would not recommend enhancing the Hold/Disorient duration. Bullet Rain - Bullet Rain can take sets from the Targeted AoE, Knockback and Slow categories. Ideally, you want to slot this with a similar strategy to Empty Clips which means enhance the damage. However the 6th slot, if you 6 slot it, is just as flexible on utility proc opportunity. If you prefer to run Standard Ammunition, then the Sudden Acceleration Knockback to Knockdown is just as welcome here as it is in Empty Clips. Bullet Rain is an even better carrier for Force Feedback's Chance for Recharge. Bullet Rain has a target cap of 10 targets vs the 6 with Empty Clips. Each target has a chance to trigger a proc which makes Bullet Rain an excellent source to improve the consistency of that recharge effect. Due to how procs work, you cannot guarantee a triggering of the effect, but having 10 rolls of the dice is as good as it gets on the Sentinel. Executioner's Shot - This power can take everything from the same categories as both Pistols and Dual Wield. Executioner's Shot is the highest DPA power in the set. It is not a great vehicle for adding more secondary effect duration. It is a potentially good candidate for any number of damage procs as well as the very rare sets. If you're enhancing this heavily with a set, then your choices are broad. However, this power is so strong for delivering procs that I find it hard to pass up. If you feel you need Thunderstrikes for your build, then try to do that in all of your other powers before you enhance this one. If you can use a 5pc set, non-Thunderstrike, here and use the 6th slot for a damage proc, then you will get more mileage from it. Piercing Rounds - This power can take sets from the Targeted AoE and Slow categories. The "Narrow Cone" quality creates a very unique opportunity under the procs per minute (PPM) rules. The cone size is small enough that it doesn't hurt the PPM calculations nearly as much as many other area of effect powers do. This means Piercing Rounds is a good power to accept the Annihilation proc for -resistance. You won't make or break your build with this proc but it is a unique power with a higher probability to activate than most area powers. Hail of Bullets - This is a Point-Blank Area of Effect (PBAoE) and as such it has several options from some more melee-oriented sets. These types of sets are great sources of additional recharge (Obliteration, Armageddon, etc.) as well as damage proc potential. Hail of Bullets can also take sets from the Knockback category which means this power has a high chance to activate the Force Feedback chance for recharge. Hail of Bullets can also take on the Fury of the Gladiator's resistance debuff with a very high chance to activate it. What a minute... I didn't mention the Archetype Origin (ATO) enhancements! That's on purpose. The Sentinel ATOs are very utility oriented which makes it difficult to prescribe blanket recommendations on where to put them. In general, both ATOs have good global bonuses, but their special effect procs require some understanding to make use of them. I'll explain what they do below and with that information you can decide where they work best for your character. Opportunity Strikes - This is a decent set and at 5 pieces you can access the global recharge benefit. The 6th piece is a range defense perk. The other valuable bonus worth noting is the enhanced range global bonus. That's right, the range increase affects all your powers. That means you can initiate combat from slightly greater distances and it will makes your cones wider. The special effect proc from this set is a "Chance for Opportunity". As of Page 5, this proc grants a minor boost to your meter recover (about 10% at Superior quality). This set can be slotted in either Single Target or Area of Effect powers. Which type of power you wish to slot this in is going to be dependent on personal preference. In general, I'm not a huge fan of this effect and often place the entire set in one of the Area powers for maximizing benefit while grouping. Sentinel's Ward - The Ward set has a similar theme to the bonuses like what Opportunity Strikes grants. You get a defensive bonus at 5 pcs and a recharge bonus at 6. You also have access to another source of range bonus. Either or both of these sets can be split to take advantage of that if you do not care for or need the higher tiered perks. The proc is an absorb shield. For Dual Pistols you can place this anywhere depending on the needs of your build. It is worth noting that due to the higher PPM value this works very well in area powers. Every target has a chance for the absorb shield to trigger turning a power like Bullet Rain into a hybrid of defense and offense. Skippable Powers What should I skip is a very common question. The answer to that can be complicated as various powers work better in certain configurations. That said, let's walk through the powers: Dual Wield vs Pistols: Pistols can potentially out perform Dual Wield when talking about basic damage enhancement slotting. Pistols has a better damage-per-activation, even with the fire damage difference in Dual Wield, and benefits well in builds with extreme recharge. Dual Wield on the other hand, is slightly better at trigger damage procs and has access to a 4th damage proc Pistols does not (2 options out of the Slow category). In addition to the extra damage potential of procs, Dual Wield can also make use of Force Feedback: Chance for Recharge. There is no clear winner here without having a much deeper discussion on where your build is ultimately going to go. That said, Dual Wield will likely edge ahead in most builds attempting to leverage heavy use of procs for damage. Pistols, in the same kind of build consideration, needs more recharge and the total outcome is relatively minor. You have to pick one, and which one you chose is more dependent on what build path you want to take. Both options can be viable under their respective conditions. You only need one of these, and definitely don't need both (there are better options later). Empty Clips: Some people don't like cones and that's OK. However, Empty Clips has pretty decent DPA for a cone attack making it a competitive choice to both Pistols and Dual Wield in the early game. In essence, this works really well as a gap filler early on even in single target situations (be mindful of the higher end cost though, that can drain your blue bar fast). That said, if you hate cones, then I guess you could skip this. Swap Ammo: This is your Aim. Not only does the fire ammo type increase your overall damage, but you can swap it around for completely different effects. Some people do not like this system though, and decide to skip. I don't recommend that, but you do you. 😉 Suppressive Fire: This is the only power in the set with a 50/50 split on elemental damage vs mostly lethal damage. While Suppressive Fire doesn't get the fire damage-over-time effect as other powers do, it does get half its damage converted into that element. That alone is pretty significant. Furthermore, this can pull IO set options out of the Hold category which means there are a lot of damage proc options. Suppressive Fire can easily be turned into a high damage power, and therefore I highly recommend taking it. That said, I've seen people skip this so that is an option, I guess. Bullet Rain: This is your largest non-T9 AoE. Given that the Sentinel lacks the AoE options of other ranged ATs, there is just no compelling argument (outside some roleplay idea) to recommend skipping this. Sure, the homing bullets are ridiculous, but this entire set is in a comic book game. If you're looking for realism you picked the wrong game. Take this. Executioner's Shot: This is the most efficient damage power for single targets in the entire set. This power only gets better with with its various slotting options and becomes available around the same time as other blast sets getting their snipe. OK look, I know DP doesn't have a snipe anywhere. My point is, ES is effectively the snipe power replacement, and it has always been a strong power choice. I've seen people skip this before across all ATs. I'll never fully understand why people do that and then complain about damage. Piercing Rounds: So far, my recommendations haven't really planted a firm stake in the ground on when to skip. I mean, pretty much all of the powers in this set are pretty good for damage. So, I guess we have to have one real standout stinker. That stinker would be Piercing Rounds. The biggest selling point of Piercing Rounds I could ever give, is that it includes a fairly hefty resistance debuff when playing anything other than the Sentinel. The Sentinel's version of the same debuff is the weakest of all ATs that get this power. Furthermore, Piercing Rounds has some unique traits in its area of effect, animation time, and recharge which make it strong at delivering procs. HOWEVER, it is *really* slow to animate. The way that Suppressive Fire works in conjunction with Executioner's Shot (and likely either Dual Wield or Pistols) overshadows Piercing Rounds for Sentinels. Piercing Rounds isn't total garbage for Defenders, Corruptors, or Blasters however. Keep in mind both Corruptors and Blasters have a strong damage proc available in one of their ATO sets and it can work surprisingly well in Piercing Rounds. That option doesn't exist on Sentinels. Defenders get a whopping -20% resistance debuff in that power vs the Sentinel's just over 9% version. See where I am going with this? Sentinels inherit all of the weakness of Piercing Rounds but don't have any of the bells or whistles to offset it. Skip it on Sentinels. Consider taking it on any of the other ranged ATs depending on what you want to do with it. Hail of Bullets: This is your other large (for Sentinels that is) coverage area damage power. The big downside it is melee range, but you do get a defense benefit for a few seconds to compensate. I'd suggest taking it. So, from the above you could skip either Pistols or Dual Wield, skip Empty Clips (I guess), and skip Piercing Rounds. Other than that, you should strongly consider taking everything else. Rotations Post Page 5 changes, this section can be much smaller. When Opportunity used to exist and force a choice in the T1/2 powers there were ways to squeeze out effectiveness that no longer matter (not that it was a big deal then either). For Sentinels: There are two primary ways to get the most out of your single target sequence vs a hard target. You want to do either: A) Dual Wield -> Suppressive Fire -> Executioner's Shot; or B) Pistols -> Suppressive Fire -> Executioner's Shot. The exact order doesn't really matter that much. The only thing which may change your decision making is if you use Achille's Heel: Chance for Resistance Debuff in Executioner's Shot. If you have that, then you may want to lead with that power since everything after it will benefit from the resistance debuff (including follow-up Executioner's Shots). The major difference between the two options above is that in option A is animation time, and that Dual Wield is better for proc damage than Pistols. The first run is the most forgiving sequence on global recharge. Option B really only becomes competitive if we exclude damage procs and/or include extreme amounts of recharge. You'd want Executioner's Shot to recharge in 2.9 seconds in order to avoid using Pistols too much. If you want to use procs in Executioner's Shot, without any recharge in that power, then you're global recharge total needs to be quite high (greater than 200%). This just isn't practical in most builds and would require Ageless Destiny running for a short window of opportunity to really maximize it. So, for the average proc heavy build, go with option A and use Dual Wield. Overall, the animation transitions will likely feel a bit smoother. Other ATs: Either of the previous options above, and also: Pistols -> Executioner's Shot -> Pistols -> Piercing Rounds. Suppressive Fire was changed for all other ATs to provide another damage dealing alternative plus the change came with a slightly faster animation time. So, really any of the ATs essentially have the same basic attack rotation options now. Piercing Rounds was also changed to provide its resistance debuff at all times even if an ammo is active. This does present an opportunity to use the debuff more actively and works very well with Corruptors and Defenders looking for more support gameplay. Sadly, the debuff amount on Piercing Rounds was not touched for Sentinels. Unfortunately, it is not that great of an option when we have all these damage procs that can be stuffed into other powers like Dual Wield, Suppressive Fire, and Executioner's Shot. That option dramatically raises the damage potential of that combination which overshadows the -9.6% resistance effect in the current Piercing Rounds. However, if procs become neutered this could completely change the dynamic. We can think of this in this way: Piercing Rounds can be pushed down to 4.224 seconds in recharge. Pistols - Executioner's Shot - Pistols animates in 4.224 seconds. You could have the debuff active by the next use of Piercing Rounds (essentially buffing itself). This cycle runs just over 6.8 seconds. If you have enough recharge to get Executioner's shot to 2.9 seconds (which is possible), then you could run Executioner's Shot - Pistols - Suppressive Fire - Executioner's Shot. That runs about 6.6 seconds. Without any procs, these two options are pretty competitive (at least when the damage resistance works in your favor), but due to current slotting options Piercing Rounds just falls short of other possibilities. About Ancillary/Patron Pools: There is a lot to unpack by adding in more complexity with the higher level pools. I'm not going to go into all of the variations possible. There just isn't enough space and there is just too much to go over. Furthermore, discussing how these rotations work is less of a discussion about Dual Pistols and more a discussion applicable to the entire Sentinel archetype. In short, there is absolutely nothing unique about adding Mind Probe -> Dominate to a Dual Pistols attack chain. Any Sentinel can do this and it can potentially increase your damage dealt if you slot these right. Complementary Choices Dual Pistols is a skirmish style set and fits in with an idea of being in close quarters. Any secondary which grants you a means of native stealth (e.g., Ninjutsu) will make positioning to drop Hail of Bullets easier. You can also place a Celerity: Stealth IO into Sprint and this gets stronger with stealthy sets. Defense-based sets allow for the luxury to ignore set bonuses in your attacks and let you have free reign to load damage procs. Other defensive sets can make use out of the debuffs present in the ammunition mechanic. Resistance sets may enjoy benefits of the -damage debuff on enemies. Regeneration-based sets (Regen/Willpower) can benefit from -damage, or the slow from Cryo ammo, or even buy some time with knockdowns. Dual Pistols baseline damage is towards the lower end of the medium spectrum and moves to upper-medium with Incendiary Ammunition. This means power sets that grant additional damage like Bio or Radiation Armors bring some welcome benefits. The Epic/Patron pools all have a lot to offer many builds generally speaking. These pools don't necessarily bring anything specific to Dual Pistols though. Ninja Tools does have additional defense debuffing, but again this is not specific to Dual Pistols. Furthermore, using any of these powers may conflict with concepts or create annoyance of watching your pistols appear out of nowhere (the no redraw option). Dual Pistols has several fast attacks and the Sentinel version isn't nearly as reliant on Piercing Rounds as other ATs. This makes Hasten potentially optional since you can easily have enough attacks available. Hasten does allow for builders to push some extreme circumstances like abusing damage procs in a small number of rapid fire attacks. Word of caution. Ok, not really a complementary choice, but more a warning on a potential trap option. Dual Pistols doesn't have Aim or Build-Up and many Sentinels may wish to squeeze these into their builds. This doesn't work out as well as it sounds on paper if you're going at this solo. This is especially true of using the Gaussian's Synchronized Fire Control + Tactics combo. If you use that Build-Up proc in Tactics, note that the chance to have it activate is incredibly small... by yourself. If you're on a full team, then each target of the buff (including pets that can receive Tactics) rolls a chance to proc that Build-Up effect on you. So you could use this to squeeze in Build-Up randomly while teaming, but for solo it will rarely activate. It is also completely uncontrolled no matter how you go about it. Decimation also has a chance for Build-Up proc. This one can work but again the caveat is that it is uncontrolled. If you are already thinking of using the 5pc Decimation bonus for the global recharge modifier, then you may as well use the proc to get there. The chance for it going off is fairly small (between 6-12% depending on power). However, Sentinel Dual Pistol attack chains can be pruned to just the fast activating attacks. This means the faster you hammer out your attacks the more chances you have to make that smaller probability into a reality. So it will go off in your attack chain at some point. Oh, and remember when I said that Epic/Patron pools Holds have long recharge times? Know what sets they can take (hint: rhymes with Ranged Attack Sets)? A Hold like Dominate can be a more reliable proc carrier for things like the Decimation: Chance for Build-Up if you are so inclined. Experiment! Explore! My way of doing things is not the only way of doing things! Incarnate Abilities I'm hesitant to offer hard line prescriptions here. Incarnates are best used to either shore up weaknesses or expand on strengths. You're also not locked into how many Incarnate powers you pick up. You're only limited to what you can slot at any given time. I have multiple powers in the Destiny category that I can swap out as I see fit. That said, it is tough to make blanket recommendations for a primary only and not a character. I'll try though! For Alpha slots, this is going to vary based on what defensive power set you use. The Cardiac options can help resistances but also offer some endurance management. End management can be a welcome choice since hammering fast attacks will drain endurance. The Vigor options may be a nice perk for regenerating sets. Agility and Spiritual both have good uses but also bring additional recharge reduction which does impact your chances to trigger procs. If you're not heavily invested in procs, then either of those may be for you. The Musculature options bring more damage, and Intuition Radial does too. I lean heavily towards Musculature but these options are matter of preference. There are several good judgments like Void, Pyronic or Ion. Pick one based on their secondary effects and/or if you like their targeting method (PBAoE, Cone, etc.). Interface is fairly generic across all damage dealers and Sentinels are no different. The Degenerative chance for reduced hit points is a very good option for tough targets like Archvillains and Giant Monsters. Reactive can be good for clearing out hordes of weaker enemies. Diamagnetic can be good to add some defense due to the to hit debuff it brings. Lore pets were all standardized and as such there is no specific category I recommend for Dual Pistols. Destiny is going to vary wildly based on a complete character. You can't go wrong with Barrier as a generic choice, but the others will have uses depending on your secondary choice. Ageless works like another form of Hasten but the value of the effect degrades over time. Ageless can be a good option for builds needing more recharge which is especially beneficial to ones heavily invested into procs. Hybrid options generally lead towards the Assault toggles. You have two options of Radial or Core. Radial adds a chance to do damage and Core adds a chance for a stacking damage buff. The chance to do damage works off PPM rules (the value is PPM = 6) and the chance for the stacking buff is 65% (thanks @Hopeling). Dual Pistols can make good use out of either option but Hybrid Assault Core does edge out ahead a bit due to the Page 5 scalar change. Still, Doublehit isn't a bad option to pursue if you prefer to have the bonus energy proc vs the stacking damage effect.

Dominate makes sense.

What powers are these in, and are you using the Decimation by itself or as a set?

Fair enough. The power HAD a 10 second duration where part of that buff was 4.25 seconds of nothing happening. I do not recall in my own testing if it still behaved that way because that wasn't what I was looking for. I was looking to confirm chance of the event and it's added DPS value along with Gaussian's in Tactics. I opted for a small sample size, due to my own time constraints, but what I observed fit with hypothesis from mathematical expressions. I'm not sure I can devote a lot of time to really checking that on Dual Pistols since no power in that set has a good chance to trigger it, but I'll keep it in mind whenever I get around to Psi Blast. I haven't checked my game characters yet, but I suspect I just sold a few of those procs. If not, I'll check what the in-game text says. [It says nothing useful 😞] Edit #2: And I really should be careful about my use of terms. Lockout not a good choice of words. The power granted has a portion of the duration where nothing happens. I'm assuming that means it cannot proc again, and on Reddit there was a person claiming that Gaussian's in Tactics can double up [I *think* Gaussian's have a similar duration, but it may just be a straight 5 seconds]. I take that with a grain of salt, but it could be interesting to investigate further.

Further down, the math is that the Build-Up proc is around 3 DPS and a damage proc is 6.9 dps. This sub forum has already noted that the proc was around an 8% increase which is only slightly off the numbers in that thread. I'm all for the chuck lots of dice method of doing things, but the Build-Up proc is dubious. It also has a lockout period where nothing happens (Edit: full duration 10 seconds, 5.75 seconds of benefit with 4.75 seconds of downtime which I assume is an internal cooldown but may not be in reality), but to each their own. I considered it in Scramble Thoughts on Psi Blast as well as the Sentinel Opportunity Strikes 5pc (including proc) since it is one of the few attacks in a set with 20 second base recharge. You can shift the damage proc madness to Dominate and chain it with Will Domination. But I digress. The damage layering idea is actually one of many reasons I have Tashibishi (Ninja Tools) in my build. Unlike in ESO, enemies run out of it in CoH (which actually works to my advantage), but if anything was dumb enough to sit in it they'd have a bad day. For ESO it's ground attacks (that is being changed, the current meta is about to flip), but in CoH the Burn Patch concept has always been there. Not every power set can use it, but it has always been a thing.

Icky? What level are we talking here? If it is in the low levels, then what you feel right now is going to be a common theme no matter what you pick. What ammo types are you running? Wesley in the comics had an uncanny knack for killing people and he had an uncanny knack for surviving in order to kill people. He is described as not having any powers, but displays multiple feats of superhuman reflexes. Super Reflexes on Sentinels doesn't need a click power for its mezz protection, but it still has a power (Master Brawler if you decide you want it vs Practiced Brawler) that grants an absorb shield. It's not a very active set and also comes with passive endurance recovery. Willpower on Sentinels is OK. It's version of the regeneration toggles is not tied to the number of enemies nearby and doesn't require melee range to function. You just get a straight increase to your regeneration rate 24/7. That's pretty cool, but Sentinels don't get Brute level hit points so regeneration on the whole is kinda "meh", in my opinion. WP is still a very consistent set. However, you may not find it is any more durable than Ninjutsu at the low levels. Damage wise, DP is going to feel a little rough as you work your way up but it can come into its own later. If you want to really push its damage, then you'll want damage procs like Touch of Lady Grey. The best path to include damage procs, again my opinion, is getting your secondary to cover your defenses. If you just want to have a smooth combo, and damage isn't the concern then Willpower will work just fine.

Yeah, it was maybe over a month or so ago that I made my Dual Pistols/Dark Miasma Corruptor with procs in mind. My single target chain of Piercing Rounds -> Pistols -> Executioner's Shot -> Pistols has every attack with a minimum of 3 procs. At least two of these procs are -resistance, and I often open with Soul Drain followed by Hail of Bullets which has a 3rd -resistance proc (Fury of the Gladiator). Oh... correction. I open with Tar Patch. Then I hop in, Soul Drain, and mow everything down. I kid you not, it does more damage than most Blasters I see. Abusing procs has been going on for a while. I was just reading someone talking about how the Singularity in Gravity Control with damage procs becomes a buzzsaw (lol). I've seen that kind of shenanigans with Dark/Dark Controllers too with their pets. Sentinels get both Dominate and Char. It can get really impressive. Soul Mastery has a version of Midnight Grasp with a 34 second recharge which can take Hecatomb, Clouded Senses, Mako's Bite, Touch of Death, and so on. The damage can get up there pretty fast. Oh, Knockout Blow is a Hold, which means it can take those damage procs too. Leviathan Mastery let's you snag that. If we could have gotten Water Spout... omg.

I read though the post more than once, and I get you were having breakfast, but I am not sure what this means. Is that just due to looking at how Dark/Nin performs against Sonic/Bio? Edit: What maybe throws me off about this is the word optimized. Procs optimize Dark Blast as a set. Dark Blast, among Sentinel Primaries, does have medium-low damage on basic IOs/SOs. With damage procs it shifts up the food chain making it more firmly in a middle of the road realm. So when it is said that Dark is probably not the best choice for a proc optimized build, this suggests that procs aren't beneficial. So that is where I hope you can forgive me if I am misunderstanding, but procs are very beneficial to Dark. All Dark powers can take a minimum of Clouded Senses and the PvP damage proc. Additionally, one lucky power can take Apocalypse. Abyssal Gaze can take any of those, and also can take any one of the 4 out of the Hold sets including the purple. That is, in my experience, some pretty significant damage. Pine's also misrepresents proc damage and how it interacts with global bonuses. It's really deceptive.

@Sunsette bravo! It is nice to see the format with some life in it, and that really gives me some inspiration on how to approach those sets I want to review. @Sovera, et al, you are touching on a point that I have tried, maybe even clumsily at times, to bring up. I don't mean this in a "I told you so" manner, but you are touching on something I have observed. Chasing 45% defense has opportunity costs as well as damage costs. I have seen many Blaster builds that do less damage than what an optimized Sentinel is capable of. This is despite the difference in base damage modifier. Part of the reason on how a Sentinel can so dramatically close the gap is tied to a few things. Some sets, but not all, made out incredibly well on single-target (Archery/Psionic/Dual Pistols/Dark Blast) because their rotation is different. Archery on Sentinels has no need for either Snap Shot or Aimed Shot. Instead you can run Stunning Shot - Blazing Arrow - Perfect Shot. Compound this by running Musculature vs Agility (common on Blasters) and already being able to hit 45% defense due to a secondary and Sentinels start looking good. Blasters will always do more AoE damage and always have more burst potential (Aim + Build-Up) and always make more out of Fulcrum Shift. However, for those times where the Blaster isn't running extreme buffs, the Sentinel's consistency makes them highly competitive. Hell, I have seen Defender builds that can be within spitting distance of some Blaster builds. Stacking defenses in a vacuum can be just as foolish as it is to make judgments on Primary power sets without considering damage procs.

I write a lot about Dual Pistols, and I should probably compile my ideas on it as reviewer. Assault Rifle is also one that I play, and I don't mind doing that too. I'll offer some insight on Ninjutsu, Dark Armor, and Willpower. I think I have a firm understanding on those. I will provide a secondary analysis of Dark Blast because I am an unashamed Dark power fan. I also recently made a Psionics character for a hypothesis. I'll share my thoughts there. I don't mind tossing my two cents on Archery too. Of the characters I have made, both the Psi/Nin and Archery/Nin have had some of the highest hypothetical damage out of my Sentinels builds. I don't bother with Fire because I already know it is good.

No problem. I have around 25 characters which is a lot of mouths to feed. In order to make sure they all have food at the table I also play the market manipulation mini-game. It really isn't that complicated. There is a thread about it in the Guide section and there is a YouTube video or two that will walk you through very well. I log in to my little sales person hero and spend around 10 to 15 minutes when I can to make sure the sweat shop is running. I put them to work building things, converting IOs, and then unloading for profit. I price my stuff put it on the market, and log out (or join friends for missions) since they don't often sell immediately. I'll happily play other characters even if I am not logging in to a farm (which I really can't stand), and know I am making money with my side hustle. I'll even start on that road on other characters too for giggles, but I often just email myself the valuable things for my crafter who then becomes the rich uncle. You may not think you have money now, but use that guide and you won't worry about affording purples. You can get to a point where your own little factory workers start ensuring each new alt can have a little nest egg. Eventually getting billions isn't out of the question.

Funny, I actually have a Mercs/Rad that I really love conceptually. It's not 50 yet, and I haven't spun it up on Justin to test. I'm also very aware that the powers you listed don't work on the pets. Doesn't matter to me. I love me some Accelerate Metabolism, even if it is only for me solo, and I LOVE me some Fallout on teams! I have a /Rad Controller, a Rad/ Defender, and now a /Rad MM. It is one of those fun sets in teams where if people die, you can just shrug and not worry about being yelled at. You can nuke the site from orbit, as it is the only way to be sure, press that shiney Vengeance button, AND then revive their mutant behind from death. So I can do all that AND get a lot of dakka-dakka-dakka action with the Mercs?! .....Oh yes.. Oh yes please!

For statement 1, Pistols is stronger than you give it credit. No, it won't put out big orange numbers, but it is deceptively strong. It is the 3rd best attack (behind only Executioner's Shot and Suppressive Fire) when considering standard ammo only. That's unique to Sentinels. For the other Dual Pistol using classes the power is actually the second best attack regardless of ammo type (and I mean actual Dual Pistols the set not having pistol attacks like Thug Masterminds get - their version of Pistols is legitimately weak). If you ever used the fire ammo power, then Pistols becomes the second best attack in the set, period. It takes an IO build, specifically 2 purple damage procs, to make Suppressive Fire the #2 power regardless of ammo. If you decide to not enhance Executioner's Shot for damage, then Suppressive Fire can actually become the best attack, but I don't advocate for that. For statement 2, I just want to clarify that I don't believe that. The placement of Opportunity Strikes depends on what primary we're talking about. Some sets can make use of it in their single target chains better than others. Some sets may want to consider it in a T9 or other AoE power, but I really don't think that is the best approach there either. To each their own though. (Edit 1: For double clarity... I'm not a huge fan of proc chances less than 20% in single target chains. That means 1 out of every 5 uses the proc can go off. That's a minimum, but ideally I want better odds than that. Especially for a random chance that is prone to trigger when my Opportunity bar is at 100% already for the next 15 seconds... yuk! Placement of various sets can turn conventional wisdom on it's head depending on what you're trying to do. I know a rule of thumb is putting Apocalypse in the highest DPA power. Generally this is good, but you can abuse some proc chance by not blindly doing this in all primaries. Psionic Blast is an example where putting Apocalypse + Unbreakable Constraint in a power like Dominate [Psi Mastery] yields results while putting 5pcs of Opportunity Strikes into Scramble Thoughts gets you roughly 45% chance for opportunity bursts. That means Psionic Blast can have really high up time on Opportunity's -20% resistance to help it's post-50 issues against psi resistant enemies. At least seems it work on paper, I started one up and I want to mess with it more. I also want to mess with using Opportunity Strikes in Whirlpool on my Water Blast since the base recharge is so long. So yeah, it depends is the best answer I can give. Edit 2: for Dual Pistols I prefer Armageddon as a purple set for Hail of Bullets since it has an additional damage proc available [chance for fire] that is virtually guaranteed to go off every time. By virtual I mean over 90% and you can not have 100% chance to trigger anything under the current PPM rules. 😞 I also highly recommend Fury of the Gladiator chance for -resistance, but that is optional.) For statement 3, that depends [edit: again!]. Not all T1 and T2 powers are created equally. Some sets really do have lack luster powers in that spot, but that is not true of all sets. Assault Rifle is an example where both the T1 and T2 are integral components to an optimized attack chain. That's completely ignoring that Opportunity is even a thing. In fact, the T2 (Disorienting Shot) in Assault Rifle is the highest damage-per-activation attack in the set! So the decision on what attack to drop in a given primary for an Epic/Patron power is going to vary from set to set.

I want to second the opinion part here, but include a caveat to it. Most of the builds flying around are not leveling builds. Sure, you can level with these plans, but they likely won't be as effective since they are also paired with specific invention bonuses chosen by the player. Not having those bonuses can create gaps in your attacks or perhaps you don't have all of the endurance recovery yet. Having Defensive Opportunity available while you are leveling through organic play does offer some benefits. Offensive Opportunity grants you some bonus damage that cannot be enhanced as you level. The unique quirks of each Opportunity, other than the -20% resistance they both have, diminish with a maxed out build. So while Aqua Bolt might be better damage per activation in the end, having Hydro Blast may actually be a benefit to you right now. I'd suggest playing what is the most comfortable for you as you build towards 50, and then maybe consider using one of the 5 free respecs you get to later refine power selection if you feel it is necessary.

I play Dual Pistols/Nin, and Dark Blast with Dark Armor. Both sets you have here will get a lot better when you invest into it. Dark Blast may not look like much on paper (base damage is lowish), but it does like damage procs. Every attack can include a Clouded Senses chance for negative damage. Every attack can take the PvP toxic damage. Abyssal Gaze can take the Unbreakable Constraint chance for smashing damage AND Ghost Widow's Embrace chance for psionic damage. Abyssal Gaze can hit like a truck with 2 purple procs (Apocalypse + Unbreakable). If you can get enough defense to cover the soft-cap (or even within a percent or two due to the -to hit in DB) without using your attacks to get you there, then you can add a decent amount of damage to your ranged attacks. Since DB likes to be close range for Blackstar, the Ancillary/Patron melee attacks are also a good potential addition to your attacks. These are transformative to Sentinel damage if you don't mind being in the face of enemies. I don't like them on weapon sets, it breaks immersion for me, but they are strong options to enhance your damage output. Consider one, but also know you don't need one. Shinobi-Iri really should have more slots when you can spare them (I know you're only 36). It is defense to all 3 positions. I prefer the stealth IO in Sprint. I can toggle it on and off as needed without losing defense. Kuji-In Sha only covers 1 resistance type. I'd rather have 3x recharge so I can heal more often if talking just basic IOs. Bo Ryaku is actually fine with one slot, but YMMV. Don't sleep on Blinding Powder. Confuse is amazing and it doesn't knock you out of stealth like your attacks do. Even if you don't feel you need to use it, it has really good IO potential. Seriously, look at what Coercive Persuasion does. It is a purple set, but look at what it improves globally. It is incredibly useful to Sentinels. Anyway, glad you are enjoying the pairing. Dark powers are always good utility, and Sentinel Nin is quite strong with IOs. It is a really good pair.