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@MetaVileTerror Sorry you are still confused. I've explained it the best I could.

@Snarky and @MetaVileTerror I'm not sure why you are confused. Not once have you read anything from me that indicates that I want to know how to make people listen to me...not once. Your confusion actually confuses me as to how you could possibly be confused. This thread is about me trying to find out the psychology behind people A; Ignoring advice, particularly good advice... (of all types. How many times has your mother or father given you advice that you ignored? Me, lots of times...even though it was good advice and even though in hind sight, I should have listened) B: What is the psychology to the reasons that we as humans, will seldom recognize that perhaps we should have listened to that advice and admit to the person giving it, that it would have been in our best interest to had taken that advice. This applies to all situations, not just in game. And this applies to al humans, including myself, not just my team mates who did not heed my warning. I used my team as an example. I could use many things that has happened in this game or in life as an example. For example, a female friend of mine decided to date a notorious jerk who was also a career criminal. She was nothing like him, had nothing in common with him, and he was nothing but trouble for her. In essence, he was pure garbage. I and many of our mutual friends had warned her that this was a bad idea, and even told her what the end outcome of this relationship would be. Yet, even after all of our warnings, she did it anyway and suffered dearly for it. He knocked her up, then went off to prison after claiming the kids weren't his. he got out of prison 6 years later and was shot and killed by somebody he had done wrong. The guy was a waste of life, and he brought nothing but misery to hers. We all warned her of this, yet she ignored our warnings and she never once said to any of us, "You guys were right...I sooo should have listened." Did we expect her to listen to us? No, we knew we were basically wasting our breaths because...people. Did we expect her to tells us we were right? No, we knew that would never happen, because...people. However, some of us (although not many) can put our pride aside and give recognition to those who warned us. Why? Because we have learned to let that pride go. I believe it is the same pride that prevents people from saying they are sorry, even when they know they were in the wrong. For example, I thought one poster claimed that I was aggressive in this thread...after learning that he did not say that, and he was speaking purely about one post and not the thread, I had no issues saying that I was sorry. Why? Because I did not let my pride get in the way. However, again...not many people can do this. It's rare from my perspective and....back to the meaning of this thread...I simply wished to know the psychology behind why. Hope this clears up your confusion.

@Snarky No, sir. That is not what this thread is about at all.

Yeah, but then I wouldn't be able to have these such wonderful discussions with you. 😄

Happy Holidays indeed. 🙂

Now that actually makes sense. I was actually completely unaware that a debuff that doesn't do damage would suppress most stealth powers due to the way the stealth power works, while other stealth powers work differently. This is a very good explanation of why SI and Hide are unaffected by Cabal while others are. I am amazed that you even learned this. I have been in this game since its infancy and never knew this. I assume you had to do a lot of research to figure this out? In any case, kudos to you, that is one hell of a discovery! +1 to you, Trickshooter and much respect!

I disagree. Somebody who needs constant affirmation from others has their own issues going on and I wish them well, for they need to learn to build self confidence. Fortunately for me, this is not me, I just don't really want to spend anymore of my time in this thread trying to convince you otherwise. I feel like you have an opinion of me that is set pretty hard in stone. Convincing you otherwise would require more time than I have available. I don't know if this is because you read me wrong, or if you read other things that others have said and logged that into memory. Either way, I digress. However, I do appreciate you answering my primary question. I respect your right to disagree and it's nice to know why you disagree. So thank you for that.

I promise you, I do not bark orders or demand players play a certain way. I put out the suggestion and hope for the best. It's all I can do. Some posters made me out to be more than that, but this is so very far from the truth. It's gotten to the point where I am starting to hold my tongue a lot more, because of my experiences on these boards. I never realized that people would take things so ahrshly just by my putting out a suggestion. Sure, maybe I could take the extra time and sweeten the suggestion up, however, by time I do that, somebody would have already rushed in and died. So I type extremely fast, (hence the typo in the word blind, being spelled bind) because I know time is a luxury I don't have. Agreed. You mean team with Jubakumbi! We are polar opposites! It's like the immovable object meets the unstoppable object! We would cancel each other out! 😄 In all seriousness, I am willing to bet that half the people here who act as though I am such a horrible leader, has at one time been on one of my teams and had no clue I was leading that team...and I'm willing to bet we got along just fine. Forums is a monster all in of itself.

If you target the leader of the team, you will also be targeting whatever the team leader is targeting. Whoops, didn't see this, so you were already aware of the targeting tactic. I typically don't have a problem figuring it out unless the character has nothing that stands out. Like if all our team is wearing is tights, without anything that stands out, that can be pretty difficult.

Yeah, played this game from the start, I don't recall any such mission, but I do recall this in CO., I too would like to see it added though if at all possible. That has lots of potential to be VERY fun.

I can't imagine having to see something like that. I think that would do a number on my mental health. Salute to you, sir.

Then this would explain Simi's who ride side by side, blocking both lanes of traffic. They do it to get back at the morons that they deal with daily. 😄

Are we counting Elude as an option we can use?

So I wanted to apologize in a separate post first before touching the rest of what you said. Just want to make clear, I did not have any problems. There was no animosity between myself and my team mates. Not sure where you got that from. I think you might have looked in to that a bit more than what it was.

I think this is probably the closest to the truth answer this thread will get.

Yup, you're right. You said post, not thread. Sorry, didn't realize it until you brought it up. So other than that misshap, the rest should answer your original post.

Fair enough. Although I didn't expect to be thanked. I never said that or indicated that. I did wonder why we dont do this though. I have no issues thanking or recognizing in others, but I think that is a pride thing. My self pride doesn't prevent me from giving recognition.

Again, on the attack I see. Right on the money, eh? You made an accusation, I called it out. You are in attack mode which makes it difficult to have a real conversation. But I will try one last time to keep this civil... So let's see here, me explaining to my team that the widow will blind the team and to take her out first is something you consider unwanted advice. Even though it would have saved the team some down time had they taken it. So in your opinion, I should have said nothing at all? What in your opinion is advice you would welcome...if any?

I don't know about you, but when I play, I play to win. I welcome advice, especially if it is advice I knew nothing about. I don't get offended over it like some do, after all, it's up to me to decide to take it or not. And the whole validation part...yeah, okay. Not even gonna go there as that is a comment designed to put me on the defensive. I would rather keep this as logical as possible.

It's up to them to decide if they want to do it, after all they are the ones who ended up dead not me.

I guess that depends on who you ask. Not everyone plays the same way you do or shares your views on what being the team leader means. To me, being team leader does not just mean that you are the one that has to do all the work to form the team, then call all the missions in...to me, and many others, being team leader also comes with a certain responsibility to let players know when sticky situations are about to happen and how to avoid them. You're entitled to your opinion, I simply don't share your views. If being team leader means that all I can do is be the guy doing all the work, then where is the drive to be team leader at all? Maybe this is why so many players would rather sit and beg for teams rather than form them on their own? Although I respect your views on what being team leader means, I just can't make myself agree with that.

I don't feel I am reading in to it too hard, because I understand where it comes from. I myself have even admitted to doing the same exact thing. I simply want to know where the psychology of this comes from, by an expert who can say, "Yes, there have been studies on this and this is the findings." I feel differently. I guess I am an old school gamer here, because in MMORPG's, there has always been a leader giving guidance. This goes back as far as MMORPGs have existed. So for me personally, it comes with the territory. I don't take offense to it like some seem to do these days. It's a part of gaming. If I am not in the mood to hear anyone give advice or listen to them tutor (which honestly doesn't happen much in this game, hell, it's rare even when I give my advice, it has to be circumstances that happen often, IE, somebody spawning the mobs at the steps of Atlas in Posi 1 before the team is ready, or somebody clicking the computers before the mobs are cleared in Penelope Yin, almost always somebody will ask that players refrain from spawning the mobs, because experience shows us, there's always SOMEBODY who ignores you and does it anyway, lol) I will simply create my own teams or play solo. So to me, tutors in RPGMMO's are a part of the game and the learning experience. Some people tend to be a bit touchy though and have the attitude of, "Don't tell me what to do..." which I personally find to be looking in to it too much. Good advice...for anyone. 🙂

I am aggressive towards Jubakumbi because we have a long history together. So much so that I never bother even reading a good majority of his/her posts. As far as the rest of this thread, I was not aggressive or passive in any of it. And no, I don't go around bossing my team around all day long. In fact, most all of the conversation during the TF was friendly jokes, or small talk, or whatever. It was not until the end ("Kill mobs around the steps first before rescuing the last Hero or we will regret spawning the ambush") ("Kill the Widow first, she will blind the team.") is hardly being a team bully. It was good sound advice. I didn't throw a fit over it, I already knew that nobody would listen because I know it is human nature. Like Jubakumbi said, most people learn from their own mistakes rather than from others. This is evident with the drug epidemic we see in the world right now. All those people, knew better, but had to find out for themselves. It is a major human flaw, but at the same time can be a strength in other situations. The only aggressiveness I have expressed here was against somebody who is famous on these boards for using that same type of passive aggressiveness and has a tendency to attract a lot of aggressive attention from other posters. So yes, we have a history...which is why I typically avoid conversing with him/her. However, I have a right to address a direct quote that was made to me...and so I did. Before Jubakumbi, I have no issues with anything anyone else has said, and even welcomed their views and thoughts. So this passive aggressiveness you say I have expressed throughout the thread is an opinion you have that I simply do not share.

I made myself very clear all through this thread what I came here looking for. I was the team leader. It's kind of my job as team leader to seek out the best way to tackle obstacles or challenges and convey them to the team. Otherwise, what is the point of being team lead? Yes, those could all be reasons. I guess I am the only one who occasionally ignores the team leaders instructions because I felt like my way was better? Either that or I am the only person who admits it. You have a serious issue with anyone telling you what to do. I get it. I'm sure you weren't easy to raise. Me personally, I am fine with leaders of teams giving me instrucions... after all, it's his/her job as team leader. Also, if I don't follow instructions, I have no issues admitting when I was wrong. I guess some of us have more pride than others. However, if I don't want to take instructions from team leaders, I have the option to start my own task force team. Me, I don't take instructions the way you do...after all, it's called the team leader for a reason. I know you are hard strong against anyone telling you what to do...you have come to my threads many times to tell me all about it. Although I disagree and feel you make more out of it than what it is, I do know your view point very well, since you tell me your view point on any and all threads I make similar to this one. I am well aware. I enjoy our little talks. Thanks for your input.

This right here, very true. I have even been known to say in a jokingly way, "Kill my clone first! He'll kill us all!" right before that fight begins.