Solarverse

Are we counting Elude as an option we can use?

So I wanted to apologize in a separate post first before touching the rest of what you said. Just want to make clear, I did not have any problems. There was no animosity between myself and my team mates. Not sure where you got that from. I think you might have looked in to that a bit more than what it was.

I think this is probably the closest to the truth answer this thread will get.

Yup, you're right. You said post, not thread. Sorry, didn't realize it until you brought it up. So other than that misshap, the rest should answer your original post.

Fair enough. Although I didn't expect to be thanked. I never said that or indicated that. I did wonder why we dont do this though. I have no issues thanking or recognizing in others, but I think that is a pride thing. My self pride doesn't prevent me from giving recognition.

Again, on the attack I see. Right on the money, eh? You made an accusation, I called it out. You are in attack mode which makes it difficult to have a real conversation. But I will try one last time to keep this civil... So let's see here, me explaining to my team that the widow will blind the team and to take her out first is something you consider unwanted advice. Even though it would have saved the team some down time had they taken it. So in your opinion, I should have said nothing at all? What in your opinion is advice you would welcome...if any?

I don't know about you, but when I play, I play to win. I welcome advice, especially if it is advice I knew nothing about. I don't get offended over it like some do, after all, it's up to me to decide to take it or not. And the whole validation part...yeah, okay. Not even gonna go there as that is a comment designed to put me on the defensive. I would rather keep this as logical as possible.

It's up to them to decide if they want to do it, after all they are the ones who ended up dead not me.

I guess that depends on who you ask. Not everyone plays the same way you do or shares your views on what being the team leader means. To me, being team leader does not just mean that you are the one that has to do all the work to form the team, then call all the missions in...to me, and many others, being team leader also comes with a certain responsibility to let players know when sticky situations are about to happen and how to avoid them. You're entitled to your opinion, I simply don't share your views. If being team leader means that all I can do is be the guy doing all the work, then where is the drive to be team leader at all? Maybe this is why so many players would rather sit and beg for teams rather than form them on their own? Although I respect your views on what being team leader means, I just can't make myself agree with that.

I don't feel I am reading in to it too hard, because I understand where it comes from. I myself have even admitted to doing the same exact thing. I simply want to know where the psychology of this comes from, by an expert who can say, "Yes, there have been studies on this and this is the findings." I feel differently. I guess I am an old school gamer here, because in MMORPG's, there has always been a leader giving guidance. This goes back as far as MMORPGs have existed. So for me personally, it comes with the territory. I don't take offense to it like some seem to do these days. It's a part of gaming. If I am not in the mood to hear anyone give advice or listen to them tutor (which honestly doesn't happen much in this game, hell, it's rare even when I give my advice, it has to be circumstances that happen often, IE, somebody spawning the mobs at the steps of Atlas in Posi 1 before the team is ready, or somebody clicking the computers before the mobs are cleared in Penelope Yin, almost always somebody will ask that players refrain from spawning the mobs, because experience shows us, there's always SOMEBODY who ignores you and does it anyway, lol) I will simply create my own teams or play solo. So to me, tutors in RPGMMO's are a part of the game and the learning experience. Some people tend to be a bit touchy though and have the attitude of, "Don't tell me what to do..." which I personally find to be looking in to it too much. Good advice...for anyone. 🙂

I am aggressive towards Jubakumbi because we have a long history together. So much so that I never bother even reading a good majority of his/her posts. As far as the rest of this thread, I was not aggressive or passive in any of it. And no, I don't go around bossing my team around all day long. In fact, most all of the conversation during the TF was friendly jokes, or small talk, or whatever. It was not until the end ("Kill mobs around the steps first before rescuing the last Hero or we will regret spawning the ambush") ("Kill the Widow first, she will blind the team.") is hardly being a team bully. It was good sound advice. I didn't throw a fit over it, I already knew that nobody would listen because I know it is human nature. Like Jubakumbi said, most people learn from their own mistakes rather than from others. This is evident with the drug epidemic we see in the world right now. All those people, knew better, but had to find out for themselves. It is a major human flaw, but at the same time can be a strength in other situations. The only aggressiveness I have expressed here was against somebody who is famous on these boards for using that same type of passive aggressiveness and has a tendency to attract a lot of aggressive attention from other posters. So yes, we have a history...which is why I typically avoid conversing with him/her. However, I have a right to address a direct quote that was made to me...and so I did. Before Jubakumbi, I have no issues with anything anyone else has said, and even welcomed their views and thoughts. So this passive aggressiveness you say I have expressed throughout the thread is an opinion you have that I simply do not share.

I made myself very clear all through this thread what I came here looking for. I was the team leader. It's kind of my job as team leader to seek out the best way to tackle obstacles or challenges and convey them to the team. Otherwise, what is the point of being team lead? Yes, those could all be reasons. I guess I am the only one who occasionally ignores the team leaders instructions because I felt like my way was better? Either that or I am the only person who admits it. You have a serious issue with anyone telling you what to do. I get it. I'm sure you weren't easy to raise. Me personally, I am fine with leaders of teams giving me instrucions... after all, it's his/her job as team leader. Also, if I don't follow instructions, I have no issues admitting when I was wrong. I guess some of us have more pride than others. However, if I don't want to take instructions from team leaders, I have the option to start my own task force team. Me, I don't take instructions the way you do...after all, it's called the team leader for a reason. I know you are hard strong against anyone telling you what to do...you have come to my threads many times to tell me all about it. Although I disagree and feel you make more out of it than what it is, I do know your view point very well, since you tell me your view point on any and all threads I make similar to this one. I am well aware. I enjoy our little talks. Thanks for your input.

This right here, very true. I have even been known to say in a jokingly way, "Kill my clone first! He'll kill us all!" right before that fight begins.

I guess because I personally have no issues admitting that perhaps I should have listened in a similar situation. I don't claim to be innocent of such doings, not listening, I think we all do that, but when I was wrong, I was wrong. So honestly, I don't "need" them to acknowledge that I was right, but more wondering why we as humans generally do not acknowledge it. To me it seems deeply embedded within us to ignore that we were wrong, even when we know we were wrong. For an example, the company I work for has made several huge mistakes by some of the changes they have made. These mistakes are costing the company more cash than I can count. However, the company refuse to admit they made a mistake, and instead blame the employees for their failure, rather than revert the bad choice. So even when money is concerned, where stakes are high and you would think people would force themselves to think more logically and admit they were wrong, they still don't do it. So to me, there must be some deep psychological reason for this. Hope that answers your question. 🙂 I agree, undoubtedly they will indeed do this. However, sadly, I think they will find the same result as I did when they attempt to alert their team, haha. Again, it seems to be human nature to not only listen to advice, even good advice. I myself have been guilty of this a time or two here and there. Exactly, and I am trying to understand...why? Where is this drive coming from? This is good advice, advice that I myself will pass along. 🙂

So in other words, insufficient data for a proper analyses. Fair enough. 🙂

It was right before the final fight, everyone standing there assessing the situation. There wasn't much conversation before that other than me asking the team to clear the mobs around the front steps before rescuing the final Hero.

LOL, I think you could be on to something here. I think that is actually a very good break down of what happens in situations like this.

So, this happens all of the time, on many different levels. You try and warn your team of something, not a single one of them listens to you, and then it happens just as you said it would. It happens all of the time. And once it happens, not a single person will say, "Damn, you were right, I should have listened." Now, I noticed that we had a Widow on our Team for the Posi Part 1 grand fight at the end. I knew that the Widow would blind the team if we did not take her out first. So I warned the team and asked them to kill her first. I was lead of this team. Here is an example, a direct copy paste from game chat to here. I will be changing names to protect those involved. [Team] Me: Take out Player A first [Team] Me: She will bind the team After none of them follow instructions...the Widow blinded the whole team except for me, I was ranged and kept my distance from the Widow. [Team] Player 2: I'm blinded lol [Team] Player 3: SAME [Team] Me: Tried to warn ya [Team] Player 4: pop a yellow [Team] Player 3: caps [Team] Player 5: still blind We finished the mission, said our farewells and that was it. Not a single player listened, not a single player admitted they should have listened. Now, before I even said a word, I knew that not one single person would listen to me. It almost never fails, anytime I warn my teams of things to come, this is the norm. However, in hopes that at least one of them would listen, I spoke up and warned them. So what is the psychology of this? Somebody explain this to me, please?

South Koreans who run gaming companies don't have a good track record for selling very easily. You can bet the price will be a very costly one, if they are even willing to sell at all.

In all seriousness, the only procs I tend to slot in the first slot are any KB to KD procs. Otherwise they tend to go in the 6th slot.

Why make this political? I prefer to slot mine in the alt left, or alt right, or far lft or far right or even sometimes in them with independents. No need to SLOT them solely based on your one sided political views. Sheesh!

Then its bugged. Otherwise it would also happen with Hide or Superioir Invisibility.

I'm going to be that guy and say, if I catch somebody doing it even on a radio team of mine, they're gone. I don't care how anyone wants to justify it or how much they say I am wrong for it, they're not only gone but will make my ignore list.

It didn't cancel out Superior Invis nor did it cancel out Hide. Also, I took a look at them using Surveillance and there was nothing listed to indicate anything like this.

I don't think that information is accurate at all. I had this same issue with Cabal, seeing through everything but Superior Invis and higher, even though they do not have any bonus perception or any abilities that grant them perception. Tests were ran, videos were recorded and posted here on these forums. Everyone here were scratching their heads on it...it still remains a mystery. I am lead to believe that all available information we have concerning what NPCs have as far as Perception is either out of date or flat out incorrect.