Solarverse

Mitigation is the key on a Scrapper to buy you time to let those stacking debuffs wear off. But the difference between a Blaster is that a Blaster has nukes that can pretty much damn near one shot the entire mob. All the Blaster has to do is stay alive long enough to explode and he/she can move on to the next mob. Had he been playing something like say, SS/Regen Brute with Hand Clap included in his build along side Foot Stomp, it might have been a completely different story. Instead of telling sad tales of defeat, he might have been instead telling stories of victory. Like Bill Z said earlier if I am not mistaken, Troo pulled it off on a Regen, so it can obviously be done.

If it's any consolation to you, no matter how much defense you have, it won't be enough without also having resistance to defense debuffs. You would have been better off maxing out your resistance, but even then, I don't think it would have been enough. Long story short, it's not your build. Thank you for your honesty. Very much appreciated regardless of the outcome.

I never used it until KB to KD IOs came out, then I started using it, it's a nice stun and a great KD once you do that. Great damage mitigation, especially against foes you have lesser resistance to. In other words, I'm guilty of using Hand Clap. Plus I love the way it goes BOOM!

You said it better than I did, thank you.

It's almost impossible to achieve the stacking sounds without making them louder. I have ran many tests on my own with this, it's simply not possible. However, I like it, it adds a feel of realism to me. Without those stacking sounds I honestly don't think I would have ever lasted longer than a month with this game. It was the one thing that I said, "Oh wow, that is really fricken awesome how they do that!" and it made the game feel so real. Without it, it loses that for me. And yes, I am sure you think I am being goofy, but you have to remember, I have been a sound guy my entire life. I have been in several metal bands in my life time, I have created special effects for many videos that people have made, I have created Symphony Orchestra music in which I have created sounds for. This piece just being one small example... So sound is EXTREMELY important to me. As much as I love being on this server, I would literally walk away forever if another sound was to be removed from this game. I have kind of had enough of it, the Elec Field fading out even though I had a mod that gave it an extremely cool sound effect that was also much quieter, was my last straw. So hopefully the Devs can do this by making it an option rather than something that is forced on everyone, otherwise I already know what they will do, they will just hunt out every sound anyone has an issue with and take away the stacking effects and make everything fade out...and I do not say this as an "Or else!" but rather I say this because it's just how I feel, one more sound, and I'm gone. Really truly hope it doesn't come to that.

I get you, and I have seen many powers lose that stacking affect and because of it I just can't play those sets even though I used to absolutely love those sets (looking at you Kinetics and Empathy) anymore. So I really hope they don't do that to other sets as well. I wish like hell that they would stop removing them and somehow make it an option instead. Sadly though, and I hate to say I'll take my ball and go home, but if they remove one more sound, I'll be forced to go play on a less populated server where they have not removed those sounds. That is something that I really don't want to do, but will if I must. It's that damn important to me. So hopefully, they can do what you want by way of an option instead of taking it away for everybody. This game has suffered the loss of a lot of great looking armor effects and a great deal of sound effects over the years and I just can't stand to lose anything else. I would love a server to reinstate all those sounds and stop taking them away. I don't know about blowing out speakers though, I play both my headphones and my speakers pretty damn loud and haven't lost any speakers yet, hehe. Anyway, hopefully the Devs can do this by way of option. I would TRULY hate to leave this server over it.

And what I am saying, is that even without the defense from pools, I think...think...that you are more survivable than Regen can heal through getting hit with everything, not dodging a single shot with not much to speak of resistance to damage. I think Regen will drop far quicker than SR would under those circumstances. I may be wrong, but my money is on SR. Not sure why that had to be such a big fuss or why I even had to explain myself. you took a quick reply that showed my lack of faith in Regen that I didn't feel I needed to explain and turned it in to a huge mess. Congrats. Think we can move on now?

Believe it or not, I'm actually rooting for ya.

I'm not sure how you take somebody attaching "you have the audacity" to you, but when somebody attaches it to me, I take it the way it reads, it's like saying that you think that I know what I am saying is bull, but I am saying it anyway, in other words, calling me a liar. It's a very passive aggressive statement and I have never been one to mince words and I can't stand passive aggressive people. So if you didn't mean it in that way, that I owe you an apology, but if this is the way you meant it, then my responses stand, moderated or not.

Yeah, it's no joke, man. I wouldn't expect you to do that to prove your point though, that's a pretty tough challenge. Like I said, so far I only have 2 Tanks who can do it. I tried it on my unkillable Elec/Elec Stalker and got owned. Even my WP/Energy Tank had a really tough time and he is pretty much a God, I have to do a lot of jumping around to avoid death on him. His build is actually in my sig for comparison. The only two Tanks that I have who can handle them just straight Tanking the mobs is my Ice/Ice Tank and my Invuln/SS Tank. All other attempts with anything else have been futile.

That would be gimping Regen equally and would remain a fair comparison as far as I am concerned.

Mobs buffed, no inspirations, no temp powers and a few other rules that I can't remember off hand. It's been a few months since I have ran it solo using those rules.

With SO's. His point is that he can be far more efficient and survivable as an SR with SO's than Regen could ever dream to be under the same rules. Once upon a time, it would have been just the opposite. Regen went from being one of the most powerful to the least desired in a blink of a nerf bat...and that nerf has stuck ever since then.

To be fair though, if he can solo the mobs of an ITF at +4/x8, I would be slightly impressed since those mobs can floor your defense to nothing in no time. I would be even more impressed if he could solo the mobs using Werner Rules. (or whatever the name was). So far only my two best built Tanks can handle the mobs using those rules. If he could solo those mobs, I would be forced to eat a bit of crow.

Sure thing, whatever it takes to end this.

An example that I strongly disagree with, which is why I said, let's agree to disagree, but I guess you would rather continue to argue even though I have already conceded due to a lack of will to argue about it further.

Wait, what? How did this become Solarverse's standards? Correct me if I am wrong, but that has always been the standard used by both the original devs and the current devs. So why turn this around on me, like it is some unwritten standard that I am expecting you to adhere to? That's not on me, man...

Wait, are you talking about PvP??? I rerally hope yuo are not talking about PvP...

Here is the thing. I figured Regen was the one power set that everybody would agree is lacking in comparison to every other set out there, therefore has been made the least desirable set in game for any class other than Sents. But no matter how many people agree that the set is hurting, you always have those who believe it's fine as is. I just don't have the fight in me to argue about it, because no matter what people say about it, it won't be changing your mind, so the argument is utterly pointless to even have. I'm fairly certain that is where @Bill Z Bubba is sitting at as well. I for one am just at complete disbelief that anyone would even defend the set, which makes fighting for a change for the set that much more discouraging. It's like, if we can't even agree that Regen is hurting, then there is literally nothing in this game that people can agree on. Not one single damn thing, and if we have to argue our case against Regen, that gives little hope at all for anything else in game that may need work. So at this point, I'm taking off the gloves and walking out of the ring. It's just not worth the effort. In other words, you win, my man.

Like I said early, whatever. I just won't play it. Glad you like it is all I can say.

I don't use IO's until I am level 50. My leveling experience always includes teaming with other players while running TF's and missions. I experience sets without IO's on a regular basis. So how others should do it isn't on me. All I am saying is that no power should be getting changed or be neglected from change due to what IO's can change a build in to. As far as everything blowing with SO's, we will just have to agree to disagree on that one.

Except the defense of Regen is often hyperbole in itself when people are using their ubber elite IO builds to defend the set. So there is plenty of hyperbole to go around it would seem.

Here is the problem with that. You have a lot of players who actually love that effect and find it to be an iconic part of the game. Take that away and you take away part of what makes this game so unique. We have already lost so many sounds that were once iconic to this game, you can find a list of those sounds in my sig. There are certain power sets that I will not even play anymore just because those sounds were removed. However, there is good news. There is no reason why players who feel as you do can have what you want, without taking away from players such as myself. It just so happens (as @Six-Six has mentioned) that I create sound mods for this game and a good part of the reason why, is so that the Developers can stop deleting sounds for this game, or stop fading them out, or stop removing stacking effects. Every time they do this, it steals a large part of the enjoyment of the game from players like myself, so luckily there is a compromise here. Just post the specific sounds you take issue with on the Mods thread listed in my sig and I'll see what I can whip up for you.

Especially not in Discord. I have checked out the Discord channel before and it looked to me like a large entourage of people crowding the Devs, constantly jibber jabbering, perhaps in an attempt to gain their favor and be noticed, one can only assume. At least from my perspective that was what it looked like. So trying to get a word in edgewise and hoping it sticks long enough for the Devs to see it on Discord would be more futile than trying to make a public announcement on LFG chat, heh. I figure if a Dev were to be interested in reading what we're thinking about a subject, the forums would be the bet place to have an organized discussion where a Dev wouldn't have to sift through tons of irrelevant crap to read our thoughts.

This is srs bsns, my man.