More Slow enhancement sets please

[Cidri]

I would love to see more versatility among Slow Movement enhancement sets. All the current slow sets have damage in them, while many slow powers (Shiver and Snow Storm being two important ones) do not. The current slow sets are also very lacking in recharge time and endurance reduction.

[Itikar]

Some types of sets could really use some love. Slow definitely should be on top of the list.

[tidge]

+1 for both Taunt and Fear. Give them some Purple Love (tm)!

[Cidri]

8 hours ago, tidge said:

+1 for both Taunt and Fear. Give them some Purple Love (tm)!

I could definitely see a purple set for Taunt. Less so for Fear and Slow.

[tidge]

2 hours ago, Cidri said:

I could definitely see a purple set for Taunt. Less so for Fear and Slow.

In terms of Fear, I'd like to see a (Superior) proc similar to the Contagious Confusion. Something that can improve the single-target Fear attacks or step up the (PB)AoE. Also, the existing Fear set bonuses are all very similar. A (Superior) Fear set that included some good positional Defense bonuses would be a nice change of pace.

 

Slow IO set bonuses offer the variety that Fear lacks, but I've never been tempted to slot a set in a slow power...it's Frankenslotting or bust. An alternative to the %Smashing proc to deal damage would be (at least) a chance at some variety.

[oedipus_tex]

I've been trying to draft up some ideas for a Slow set. The barrier I keep running into is how widely variant each of the Slow powers is.

 

But the first challenge is that the actual -RunSpeed aspect of the power isn't usually worth buffing to begin with. At least not like -ToHit or -Endurance are. Like, I've rarely encountered situations that would have gone much better if only I had more -RunSpeed. 🙂

 

Beyond that you get to the profiles of the kinds of powers that can Slow sets:

• Toggles (Snow Storm)
  • Needs Endurance Redux, does not need Accuracy or Recharge
• Castables (Shiver)
  • Needs Accuracy, may need Recharge, End Redux usually not really relevant
• Quick Recharge Patches (Tar Patch, Quicksand, Caltrops, Glue Arrow)
  • Sometimes need Recharge
• True PBAoE Slow Auras (Chilling Embrace)
  • Mainly need End Redux
• Incidental Slow Auras (Arctic Air)
  •  End Redux is relevant but really should be slotted for Confuse
• Cold Blast and Melee Sets
  • Need Damage most of all, then Accuracy, maybe End Redux and Recharge
• Dual Pistols
  • One to watch because it can slot any procs added to a Slow sets despite not being the main intended target off the buff 
• Slows that can't be enhanced (Ice Slick)
  • Should they be enhanceable? (Probably) Needs vary.

 

Based on this wide profile what I wish a new Slow set looked like was very different from traditional sets. For the non-damage powers, something like this, where the bonuses repeat themselves:

• Recharge/Slow
• Recharge/Slow
• Accuracy/Slow
• Accuracy/Slow
• End Redux/Slow
• End Redux/Slow

 

That would make the set more relevant to the actual needs of the power.

 

I'm still thinking about what bonuses are appropriate. I think something juicy at 4 slots is what is needed but I need to hash that over more. 

[Major_Decoy]

There are also slows like Neurotoxic breath that don't need damage but could benefit from range.

[Redlynne]

 

 

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Slow Movement

	Set name	Levels	Option 1	Option 2	Option 3	Option 4	Option 5	Option 6
	Curtail Speed	10-30	Acc/Slow	Dam/Slow	Acc/End	Slow/Range	End/Rech/Slow
	Impeded Swiftness	10-30	Acc/Slow	Dam/Slow	Acc/End	Slow/Range	End/Rech/Slow	Chance for Smashing Damage
	Tempered Readiness	20-50	Acc/Slow	Dam/Slow	Acc/End	Slow/Range	End/Rech/Slow	Acc/Dam/Slow
	Pacing of the Turtle	20-50	Acc/Slow	Dam/Slow	Acc/End	Slow/Range	End/Rech/Slow	Chance for Recharge Slow

 

Could switch out to sets that are more triple/quad based.  I know that I wind up using the Acc/End IO as a frankenslotter a good deal in my builds where you don't get a lot of accuracy or endurance reduction out of say ... Target AoE sets.

 

Try this basic formula on for size.

 

1: Acc/Dam/Slow

2: Acc/End/Range

3: Acc/Range/Slow

4: Dam/End/Slow

5: Dam/Range/Slow

6: End/Rech/Slow

 

Equivalents:

1.5x Accuracy

1.5x Damage

1.5x Endurance Reduction

1.5x Range

0.5x Recharge

2.5x Slow

= 9 SO equivalents

 

Note that if you swap out the last IO (the end/rech/slow) for a proc you'd be dropping the only recharge enhancement in the set for maximum proc chances with the set 6-slotted with a proc.

[Oubliette_Red]

As someone who plays a lot of cc/buff/debuff characters, I'd also love to see more sets for powers that are not damage-focused.

[Rylas]

8 hours ago, oedipus_tex said:

Based on this wide profile what I wish a new Slow set looked like was very different from traditional sets. For the non-damage powers, something like this, where the bonuses repeat themselves:

• Recharge/Slow
• Recharge/Slow
• Accuracy/Slow
• Accuracy/Slow
• End Redux/Slow
• End Redux/Slow

Totals of a L50 set: Slow: 159% — Recharge: 53% — Accuracy: 53% — End Redux: 53%

 

You raised a good point about the diversity in slow powers themselves. But you're going overkill on Slow there. Also, I don't think the game's code for IOs would be able to differentiate which Rech/Slow you had slotted, and might not allow you to place two different ones. You could also do something like this:

• Rech/Slow

• Acc/Slow
• End Red/Slow
• Rech/End/Slow
• Acc/Rech/End
• Chance for Cold or Psi Damage

 

Totals of a L50 set: Slow: 100.7% — Recharge: 68.6% — Accuracy: 47.7% — End Redux: 68.6%

 

You don't really lose anything in slow (because ED) and you get more recharge and endurance reduction out of it. Negligible loss in accuracy bonus, and a damage proc. I chose Cold or Psi because they fit the debuff theme of slow. 

 

The bonuses from the set would probably have to be a little on the smaller/moderate side considering the enhancement values being equivalent to 8 slotting the power. 

 

[Redlynne]

 

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Crushing Impact

30-50

Acc/Dam

Dam/End

Dam/Rech

Acc/Dam/Rech

Acc/Dam/End

Dam/End/Rech

Thunderstrike

30-50

Acc/Dam

Dam/End

Dam/Rech

Acc/Dam/Rech

Acc/Dam/End

Dam/End/Rech

Could start with this layout for new Slow sets and just swap out the Damage enhancement for Slow ... for use in Slow powers that do no damage. Acc/Slow End/Slow Rech/Slow Acc/End/Slow Acc/Rech/Slow End/Rech/Slow Equivalents: 1.625x Accuracy SO 1.625x Endurance SO 1.625x Recharge SO 3.375x Slow SO = 8.25 SO   Since that's more Slowing than is "useful" under ED, I personally would want to swap out the Slow on the last enhancement for a -Range proc (standard 8s duration in PvE) which would yield the following: Acc/Slow End/Slow Rech/Slow Acc/End/Slow Acc/Rech/Slow End/Rech/-Range proc Equivalents: 1.625x Accuracy SO 1.625x Endurance SO 1.625x Recharge SO 2.875x Slow SO -Range proc (8s in PvE) = 7.75 SO + -Range proc

Edited March 5, 2020 by Redlynne