Craigrx Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I am a curious sort so I was wondering how Homecoming came about. Obviously if explaining the History of the rebirth of City of Heroes, is legally problematic I TOTALLY understand but as I said I am a curious sort (ie History buff) so if the tale can be told I would sincerely like to hear it I don't want to do anything that would jeopardize the continuation of City Of Heroes Thanks for your attention When I am good I am very good, when I am bad I am better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunchmoney Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 A lot of the news can be found here https://massivelyop.com/tag/city-of-heroes/ I used to play under the handle @Purple Clown, back on Live. Now I play under @Lunchmoney I'm in the UK and play on Reunion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_NOPE_ Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 A good rundown is summarized in the Unofficial Wiki: https://coh-homecoming-unofficial.fandom.com/wiki/City_Of_Heroes:_Homecoming_Unofficial_Wiki I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotech_Master Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Putting together what I've read in the news, shortly after CoH shut down someone leaked the source code and other associated files to some CoH gamers who were also coders. Calling themselves SCORE, the Secret Cabal of Reverse Engineers, the group created a secret server where they could continue to play the game in private, just inviting people they thought they could trust, as they worked on patching it and improving it--finishing up I24, and creating the further improvements now known as I25. Some people don't believe this, but as some of the news coverage notes, SCORE actually was planning on going public with it on the 15th Anniversary of City of Heroes, at the beginning of May. They had been preparing to set up Homecoming all along, and were nearly ready to do it--when some schmuck they had invited a little while earlier jumped the gun and leaked the existence of this secret server ahead of time. Some skeptics have expressed doubt that the developers actually had been planning to go public, and say we wouldn't be playing the game now if not for that leaker, but I've talked to some of the people involved and I believe them. The saddest thing about the whole mess is that there really isn't any way to prove it now, so people will believe what they want to believe. If you liked what I had to say, please check out my City of Heroes guides! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeon Hawkwood Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Some skeptics have expressed doubt that the developers actually had been planning to go public, and say we wouldn't be playing the game now if not for that leaker, but I've talked to some of the people involved and I believe them. The saddest thing about the whole mess is that there really isn't any way to prove it now, so people will believe what they want to believe.I tend to believe them but then I like to believe the best of people. Also from a practical point of view lying low for a few years seems like a sensible strategy, NCSoft would probably have been more likely to react harshly if a private server had popped up immediately following the shut down. Additionally it would have made it easier for NCSoft to identify the individual(s) who were involved in handing over the code base while the time gap provides them with some protection. Defender Smash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunchmoney Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Some people don't believe this,.... Some skeptics have expressed doubt ... It's all a Nemesis plot. I used to play under the handle @Purple Clown, back on Live. Now I play under @Lunchmoney I'm in the UK and play on Reunion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSLAnimal Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Some people don't believe this,.... Some skeptics have expressed doubt ... It's all a Nemesis plot. Everything is a Nemesis plot. Pleased to meet you! I am Animal, and I harbor Perverse Sexual Lust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Healix Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Forever grateful to be back in my city! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie_Knight Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Some people don't believe this,.... Some skeptics have expressed doubt ... It's all a Nemesis plot. Everything is a Nemesis plot. Unless it's a Nemesis Pot or Nemesis Mop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zolgar Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Some people don't believe this,.... Some skeptics have expressed doubt ... It's all a Nemesis plot. Everything is a Nemesis plot. Unless it's a Nemesis Pot or Nemesis Mop. Or when he's tired and it's a Nemesis Plop. Always happy to answer questions in game, typically hanging around Help. Global is @Zolgar, and tends to be tagged in Help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie_Knight Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Some people don't believe this,.... Some skeptics have expressed doubt ... It's all a Nemesis plot. Everything is a Nemesis plot. Unless it's a Nemesis Pot or Nemesis Mop. Or when he's tired and it's a Nemesis Plop. Last time he made a movie, it was a Nemesis Flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggKookoo Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Some people don't believe this,.... Some skeptics have expressed doubt ... It's all a Nemesis plot. Everything is a Nemesis plot. Unless it's a Nemesis Pot or Nemesis Mop. Or when he's tired and it's a Nemesis Plop. Last time he made a movie, it was a Nemesis Flop. Please, just Nemesis Stop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie_Knight Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Please, just Nemesis Stop... Does this make you the Nemesis Cop? Sorry, couldn't resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justicebeliever Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 +1 inf to Zolgar, Pixie Knight, and EggKooKoo for the belly laughs. "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." - Niels Bohr Global Handle: @JusticeBeliever ... Home servers on Live: Guardian ... Playing on: Everlasting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eiynp Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I doubt pretty highly that the original SCORE group ever intended to go public; I knew some folks who had access to the private server (I didn't) and their practice was pretty much absolutely secrecy and access for the folks a relative handful of gatekeepers thought were worthy of being given access. The claims of intent to go public were only ever retroactive and imo if they actually weren't, stuff like fundraising would've been much more sorted by the time the 'launch' happened. It doesn't seem very likely to me that we'd have available servers (and certainly not multiple servers) if the leak hadn't happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Healix Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 eiynp, you have no idea how wrong you are. All the leak did was bring the game out before it was fully cooked. You are not alone in your opinion, but the truth is, if working on it had not remained secret, we all wouldn't be here now. *legal stuff* The truth remains the truth whether people choose to believe it or not. :) Forever grateful to be back in my city! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Shocker Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I doubt pretty highly that the original SCORE group ever intended to go public; I knew some folks who had access to the private server (I didn't) and their practice was pretty much absolutely secrecy and access for the folks a relative handful of gatekeepers thought were worthy of being given access. The claims of intent to go public were only ever retroactive and imo if they actually weren't, stuff like fundraising would've been much more sorted by the time the 'launch' happened. It doesn't seem very likely to me that we'd have available servers (and certainly not multiple servers) if the leak hadn't happened. You have speculated poorly and drawn incorrect and wrong conclusions. The Ghost Slaying Axe. The very best there is. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every motherspectre in the room, accept no substitutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie_Knight Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Personally, I couldn't care less if people believe SCORE were going to open to the public or not after getting all their ducks in a row. What matters to me is that the Homecoming servers are here, and I can once again play this amazing game. And that's good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelleSorciere Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Personally, I couldn't care less if people believe SCORE were going to open to the public or not after getting all their ducks in a row. What matters to me is that the Homecoming servers are here, and I can once again play this amazing game. And that's good enough for me. ^^^This. It doesn't really matter what their real intentions were, this is what we have now, and it's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidon Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Personally, I couldn't care less if people believe SCORE were going to open to the public or not after getting all their ducks in a row. What matters to me is that the Homecoming servers are here, and I can once again play this amazing game. And that's good enough for me. Exactly. Everything that has transpired over the last seven years has brought us all to the moment when we could finally come back home. Playing CoX is it’s own reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jubakumbi Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Personally, I couldn't care less if people believe SCORE were going to open to the public or not after getting all their ducks in a row. What matters to me is that the Homecoming servers are here, and I can once again play this amazing game. And that's good enough for me. This is my opinion as well. While I have a very curious mind and I like to understand the 'why and how' of things, there are simply too many 'Internet anonymous' humans involved here to get to the 'truth' w/o a professional involved and even then, eh. There are also reasons it was secret for so long...uncovering details may well paint more than one person or enitity in a bad light...that is the sort of thing that impacts public reputations and bottom lines... Personally, I have chosen to let this mystery fade away...at best it is just idle curiosity, at worst, it's 'evidence'. We get to play CoH now. The code and binaries are in the wild, so the genie will live on in the future. Enjoy playing the game. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeyn Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I dont care either way, if they had kept it secret, I would have operated my daily life as before. If they intended to release it but it was released early... well... here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_NOPE_ Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 If they did intend it to be public all along, and they wanted people to KNOW that, they could provide proof... such as e-mail exchanges, Discord chats, screenshots, whatever. But I don't think it matters looking at the past. We got where we are how we got there, what matters is where we are going NOW. I'm optimistic. I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man_From_AUNTIE Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 If they did intend it to be public all along, and they wanted people to KNOW that, they could provide proof... such as e-mail exchanges, Discord chats, screenshots, whatever. But I don't think it matters looking at the past. We got where we are how we got there, what matters is where we are going NOW. I'm optimistic. Exactly PK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justicebeliever Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 If they did intend it to be public all along, and they wanted people to KNOW that, they could provide proof... such as e-mail exchanges, Discord chats, screenshots, whatever. But I don't think it matters looking at the past. We got where we are how we got there, what matters is where we are going NOW. I'm optimistic. I agree - I am dubious that they had all these plans for something that was going to happen just a week later, but still hadn't nailed down things like fundraising, forming a non-profit, etc. But I clearly don't know for certain, just my opinion. However, not having CoH has caused me no harm. So I can't complain about being injured by the secrecy. One could say it's a missed opportunity, but it's not one that I had any legal right to, so I still can't complain - I wasn't entitled to CoH So today is today, and I can't relive the past, except in Ouroboros, so there is no use dwelling on what's done, when your time and emotional energy could be better spent enjoying the here and now. "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." - Niels Bohr Global Handle: @JusticeBeliever ... Home servers on Live: Guardian ... Playing on: Everlasting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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