She-Hulk: Attorney At Law

[Techwright]

No season 2, according to the star of the show.  I've seen this on several similar sites now.  However, the character will likely still appear in other MCU works.

 

https://insidethemagic.net/2024/01/she-hulk-star-confirms-season-2-isnt-going-to-happen-nk1/

[Without_Pause]

I'm not sure how many of these series need to keep going, but I enjoyed it and thought it was one of the better Marvel series they did. The reality of the situation is Mark Ruffalo isn't getting younger, so at some point even if he is brought in, it would likely just be for voice work. My guess is this is why Skaar was done along with Red Hulk although I don't expect that to be a long arc.

[PeregrineFalcon]

I'm actually surprised. I figured that Disney would keep spending money on "The Message."

 

 

[Hyperstrike]

1 hour ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

I'm actually surprised. I figured that Disney would keep spending money on "The Message."

 

 

Even Disney's pockets are NOT bottomless.

[BrandX]

9 hours ago, Without_Pause said:

I'm not sure how many of these series need to keep going, but I enjoyed it and thought it was one of the better Marvel series they did. The reality of the situation is Mark Ruffalo isn't getting younger, so at some point even if he is brought in, it would likely just be for voice work. My guess is this is why Skaar was done along with Red Hulk although I don't expect that to be a long arc.

 

Really?  I don't know.  Better than Secret Invasion and Echo, but I'm not sure I'd call it better than any of the other series (mind you, I've only watched part of the first What If).

 

However, you are right, Mark isn't getting any younger, but I feel this is why they need to stop being afraid of RECASTING!  Hell, some of these characters are ageless as a super power and others aren't going to get a decent story and send off if they go "Well, time to kill Peter Parker off, Tom is done with the role."

 

 

[Without_Pause]

That video was far longer than it needed to be. The error was spending GoT money on a show without a GoT audience. The end. While yes, the twerking scene was not needed, but calling it "sh*t" is just wrong. It was overall decently reviewed. I felt like the TV show did the character justice. That final episode is going to hold up even 20 years from now. I know when they added the one actress as basically a scene stealer people on Marvel's social media loved that character. I also find their point about targeting women when their fans base is really men odd. Did they not see the Wonder Woman film which did over $800 million? Yes, the film was really good, but you can't tell me they weren't doing similar in the film versus the show in terms of poking fun at the patriarchy. Plus, they brought up the whole 'woke' nonsense. +90% of people complaining about Disney or anything being woke just proves to me they don't know what they are talking about and make me yearn for the days when people didn't value some randos on Youtube and followed actual journalists. In the end, She-Hulk I thought was one of the better Marvel shows. 

[Without_Pause]

3 minutes ago, BrandX said:

 

Really?  I don't know.  Better than Secret Invasion and Echo, but I'm not sure I'd call it better than any of the other series (mind you, I've only watched part of the first What If).

 

 

I haven't finished Echo yet, and the less said about Secret Invasion the better. I actually liked it better the Cap and Winter Soldier, but it looks like I'm in the minority on that. Seriously, that series is so forgettable no one talks about it anymore. 

[BrandX]

4 minutes ago, Without_Pause said:

I haven't finished Echo yet, and the less said about Secret Invasion the better. I actually liked it better the Cap and Winter Soldier, but it looks like I'm in the minority on that. Seriously, that series is so forgettable no one talks about it anymore. 

 

Does anyone talk about Wanda?  Ms Marvel?  Really any of them?    I can't say it was better than Cap/Winter Soldier, but I thought it had it's good parts, plenty of bad parts but a really bad ending.

That said, I thought there was potential and was hoping for a season two to get them there!

Though, I think a lot of people couldn't handle that it was meant to be more like a sitcom than other series.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

13 minutes ago, BrandX said:

That said, I thought there was potential and was hoping for a season two to get them there!

Though, I think a lot of people couldn't handle that it was meant to be more like a sitcom than other series.

 

Personally: I laughed my backside off, and I'd quite like to see Tatiana and co back in animated form, in non-Hulked guest shots on other series, or in Thunderbolts  if that ever happens.

 

But I didn't expect an S2. The CGI cost was just way too much for the likely audience size of this series - even for Mando and Andor $200m+ for a limited series is pushing it. They could have lampshaded it by having Jen fully played by her Amazonian body model, and being even more freaked out by her appearance in the mirror. (I actually kinda know someone 6'5" with not dissimilar features, if they're casting - or at least close enough to bridge the gap with makeup and prosthetics.)

 

As it is, it's a fun little curio in the MCU, and they should be proud of trying all this different stuff. Though maybe keep a closer eye on the budget...

[Techwright]

12 hours ago, BrandX said:

 

 

However, you are right, Mark isn't getting any younger, but I feel this is why they need to stop being afraid of RECASTING!  Hell, some of these characters are ageless as a super power and others aren't going to get a decent story and send off if they go "Well, time to kill Peter Parker off, Tom is done with the role."

 

 

Although DC is probably better known for its universe resets, Marvel has done its fair share of 'em and I've been wondering if one might be in the works for Phase 6.  It would essentially grant a clean slate in both storytelling and cast, while building off the character name recognition that the current MCU brought to Marvel characters, as well as allowing for perhaps a smoother integration of the two big remaining properties (Fantastic 4, X-men) into the (rebooted) universe.

 

12 hours ago, BrandX said:

 

Does anyone talk about Wanda?  Ms Marvel?  Really any of them?    I can't say it was better than Cap/Winter Soldier, but I thought it had it's good parts, plenty of bad parts but a really bad ending.

Most talk I hear these days about WandaVision has to do with A) the unique style of the show, B) Photon, C) the upcoming Agatha Harkness project, D) what's happening with Vision going forward.

 

As to Cap & the Winter Soldier, while overall I didn't like it, it did have its moments.  For me those included the Falcon vs Batroc sky fight, Bucky's struggle to be normal (the "you're free" scene was particularly good), anything with Zemo, the shocking desecration of The Shield, and some of the Dora Milaje stuff.

[Hyperstrike]

Baron Zemo.

 

Quoth Stan Lee: 'Nuff Said!

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

20 hours ago, BrandX said:

Does anyone talk about Wanda?  Ms Marvel?  Really any of them? 

There is an awful lot of Wanda fandom out there in dedicated corners of the interwebs - slightly mad bunch even by my standards. Ms Marvel... less so, but she does have her following.

 

Speaking of which: while Hawkeye was a fun little thing at the time, nobody's talking about Renner or Stanfield. And Black Widow... less than memorable. But there are endless, endless Flo Pugh/Yelena fan threads and memes. Just casually walked into both of those projects, stole every scene that wasn't nailed down, made Kraft dinner and wandered off again. Some characters just catch fire, and it's down to writing and performance.

 

Speaking of that - and recasting... can you imagine Iron Man as anyone other than RDJ these days?

[BrandX]

46 minutes ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

There is an awful lot of Wanda fandom out there in dedicated corners of the interwebs - slightly mad bunch even by my standards. Ms Marvel... less so, but she does have her following.

 

Speaking of which: while Hawkeye was a fun little thing at the time, nobody's talking about Renner or Stanfield. And Black Widow... less than memorable. But there are endless, endless Flo Pugh/Yelena fan threads and memes. Just casually walked into both of those projects, stole every scene that wasn't nailed down, made Kraft dinner and wandered off again. Some characters just catch fire, and it's down to writing and performance.

 

Speaking of that - and recasting... can you imagine Iron Man as anyone other than RDJ these days?

 

Yes, because I look back at other movies and their leads when it comes to superhero movies.  So many who said they'd be terrible then later changed their tune.  So many thought Heath would be a terrible Joker.

I believe all parts can be played by other actors 🙂  However, not all actors can play all parts.

[battlewraith]

I don't watch a lot of these shows but Legion from 2017 was really good, had three seasons, and I don't ever hear it brought up in these discussions.

 

[InvaderStych]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

I don't watch a lot of these shows but Legion from 2017 was really good, had three seasons, and I don't ever hear it brought up in these discussions.

 

 

Legion Stands Alone.

 

It was 3 seasons because that is the story that Noah Hawley wanted to tell. Personally, I talk about Legion all the time, just not in these threads. Well, ok, occasionally in these threads -see my comments on appreciating the similarities that the aesthetics of the set and costume designs of the TVA shared with Clockworks and Summerland from Legion in the Loki thread - for example.

 

For me, it is unquestionably the best of the adaptations, full stop. But it was never intended to be part of any larger universe/cineverse/pick-your-term.

 

Aside from ...

 

A brief cameo from young David Haller during the Exeter School scene of Deadpool 2 where he is calmly eating a bowl of cereal and when DP claims to be a member of the X-men, David reminds him that he's just a temporary/training member or whatever the line of dialog was.

 

... don't expect to see more of any of those characters anywhere else.

 

What I'd like to see is more stand-alone, limited series run stories of that high level of writing quality and production craft with a clear narrative plan that aren't just looking to see how long they can self-perpetuate.

 

Edited January 18 by InvaderStych
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[Luminara]

27 minutes ago, InvaderStych said:

Legion Stands Alone.

 

This mobile platform does not stand alone.  We stand with Shepard-Commander.

 

[BrandX]

7 hours ago, InvaderStych said:

 

Legion Stands Alone.

 

It was 3 seasons because that is the story that Noah Hawley wanted to tell. Personally, I talk about Legion all the time, just not in these threads. Well, ok, occasionally in these threads -see my comments on appreciating the similarities that the aesthetics of the set and costume designs of the TVA shared with Clockworks and Summerland from Legion in the Loki thread - for example.

 

For me, it is unquestionably the best of the adaptations, full stop. But it was never intended to be part of any larger universe/cineverse/pick-your-term.

 

Aside from ...

 

 

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A brief cameo from young David Haller during the Exeter School scene of Deadpool 2 where he is calmly eating a bowl of cereal and when DP claims to be a member of the X-men, David reminds him that he's just a temporary/training member or whatever the line of dialog was.

 

 

 

... don't expect to see more of any of those characters anywhere else.

 

What I'd like to see is more stand-alone, limited series run stories of that high level of writing quality and production craft with a clear narrative plan that aren't just looking to see how long they can self-perpetuate.

 

 

It would be nice to see them do One Shot Series perhaps of characters, that has no impact on the story as a whole.

 

However, when it doesn't have an impact on the big over all story, many seem to think "Why bother?" instead of just enjoying the show.  It's be like the comics.  It doesn't have to be one big Endgame event.

[InvaderStych]

2 hours ago, BrandX said:

However, when it doesn't have an impact on the big over all story, many seem to think "Why bother?" instead of just enjoying the show.

 

Yeah, they did put a lot of work into setting this expectation with the interlinked movies leading up to Endgame. Personally, I think they could/should have let that achievement stand and taken a more disconnected approach instead of trying to keep the chain moving. Just because stories are happening in the larger story-scape doesn't mean they need to lead up to another big finish, imo.

 

Having worked within the production industry for the last 14+ years, what they accomplished with the initial run is incredibly impressive in its scope and execution. Thinking they could do it again without running into massive issues an - most of all - failing to meet audience expectations is the very definition of hubris. I've not seen all of the post-Endgame movies or series yet, but as @ThaOGDreamWeaver pointed out, Black Widow, for example was basically a "paint by numbers" mess devoid of much impact outside of the stand-out performance by the sister. Dr. S: MoM was enjoyable, but had as many weaknesses as strengths. I very much enjoyed Loki but that, arguably, is somewhat closer to the "One Shot" style of story I've been seeking that just happens to slot within the larger multi-project narrative while focusing mainly on the journey of the main character instead of the "big bad thing coming soon." It also had much higher quality writing than the movies in this current phase that I've seen so far.

 

To give you an idea how far behind I am, I am rolling through them on D+ in the "In Timeline Order" feature (which, imo has some errors in it like placing The Punisher after Defenders, but that is a different thread), and I'm just now up to WandaVision having recently finished both Loki and What If ...? (both seasons of each, I'm not being that neurotic about the order, lol)

[Techwright]

14 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

Speaking of that - and recasting... can you imagine Iron Man as anyone other than RDJ these days?

 

Oh absolutely.  I've been very keen to see a multiverse movie where Tom Cruise takes the Tony Stark role, if only as a one-off.  I've been intrigued by this ever since I'd heard Tom had been considered for the role.   And lets be honest: if the Joker, Batman, and Superman can have a variety of actors good and bad in the roles, there's room for others to interpret Stark.

 

That said, RDJ was perfect.  I said it back in 2007 the moment I heard he was cast.  It was like he'd spent 10 years of his previously self-destructive life prepping for the role. Few would understand the character better.

[BrandX]

2 hours ago, InvaderStych said:

 

Yeah, they did put a lot of work into setting this expectation with the interlinked movies leading up to Endgame. Personally, I think they could/should have let that achievement stand and taken a more disconnected approach instead of trying to keep the chain moving. Just because stories are happening in the larger story-scape doesn't mean they need to lead up to another big finish, imo.

 

Having worked within the production industry for the last 14+ years, what they accomplished with the initial run is incredibly impressive in its scope and execution. Thinking they could do it again without running into massive issues an - most of all - failing to meet audience expectations is the very definition of hubris. I've not seen all of the post-Endgame movies or series yet, but as @ThaOGDreamWeaver pointed out, Black Widow, for example was basically a "paint by numbers" mess devoid of much impact outside of the stand-out performance by the sister. Dr. S: MoM was enjoyable, but had as many weaknesses as strengths. I very much enjoyed Loki but that, arguably, is somewhat closer to the "One Shot" style of story I've been seeking that just happens to slot within the larger multi-project narrative while focusing mainly on the journey of the main character instead of the "big bad thing coming soon." It also had much higher quality writing than the movies in this current phase that I've seen so far.

 

To give you an idea how far behind I am, I am rolling through them on D+ in the "In Timeline Order" feature (which, imo has some errors in it like placing The Punisher after Defenders, but that is a different thread), and I'm just now up to WandaVision having recently finished both Loki and What If ...? (both seasons of each, I'm not being that neurotic about the order, lol)

 

But the Punisher came out after Defenders.  July 2017 vs November 2017.  However, that said, I don't know the Punisher series.  I honestly didn't care for him in Daredevil and what I did watch of his show I wasn't all thrilled with.  I am rewatching Jessica Jones currently, as I hadn't seen the 3rd season.  It's cancellation and knowing they weren't going to finish the shows and give them a decent ending hurt my desire at the time to watch it.

[InvaderStych]

35 minutes ago, BrandX said:

But the Punisher came out after Defenders.  July 2017 vs November 2017.

 

It did? Huh, I stand corrected. 🤣 Somehow I thought they were other way around. Of course I also harbored an extreme dislike for Iron Fist, and sort of held that character against Defenders, so I might have watched them out of order. Bernthal was great as Punisher, but the series itself was pretty basic. Of the Netflix shows Luke Cage was my favorite, which isn't really the popular choice. Alfre Woodard's performance as Mariah was nothing short of fantastic and among many of what I thought were high marks in that series.

 

36 minutes ago, BrandX said:

I am rewatching Jessica Jones currently, as I hadn't seen the 3rd season. 

 

IMO, s3 was unwatchable and I gave up a few episodes in. I didn't care much for s2 either. JJ took a hard nose dive after an incredibly excellent first season, but that's strictly one person's opinion.

[BrandX]

2 hours ago, InvaderStych said:

 

It did? Huh, I stand corrected. 🤣 Somehow I thought they were other way around. Of course I also harbored an extreme dislike for Iron Fist, and sort of held that character against Defenders, so I might have watched them out of order. Bernthal was great as Punisher, but the series itself was pretty basic. Of the Netflix shows Luke Cage was my favorite, which isn't really the popular choice. Alfre Woodard's performance as Mariah was nothing short of fantastic and among many of what I thought were high marks in that series.

 

 

IMO, s3 was unwatchable and I gave up a few episodes in. I didn't care much for s2 either. JJ took a hard nose dive after an incredibly excellent first season, but that's strictly one person's opinion.

 

I liked Iron Fist.  HOWEVER, it's fight scenes needed work so much!  I understand that's as much the actor's fault as the showrunners tho.  Luke Cage had a good first season but a bad second season, but it also got to suffer from the losing of the rights or something...I don't require the exact details anymore.

I do recall s2 not being as good for JJ, and I heard people didn't like s3 as much.  Was it the sister?

[Hyperstrike]

8 hours ago, BrandX said:

 

But the Punisher came out after Defenders.  July 2017 vs November 2017.  However, that said, I don't know the Punisher series.  I honestly didn't care for him in Daredevil and what I did watch of his show I wasn't all thrilled with.  I am rewatching Jessica Jones currently, as I hadn't seen the 3rd season.  It's cancellation and knowing they weren't going to finish the shows and give them a decent ending hurt my desire at the time to watch it.

 

Punisher's greatest power is he's Rocky.

Gets the crap kicked out of him.  Then just willpower's his way through based on "Rah Rah MARINE" obstinacy...

Meh.

Daredevil was a decent production.
As was the first season of Luke Cage.
Jessica Jones was basically a budget flying brick production.  With some psychological horror.
That and they relied on various iterations of the "Hallway Scene".

Iron Fist.  Meh.
Defenders.  Meh.
Punisher.  Meh.
Loki was...situationally entertaining.  Especially Crocodile Loki...
She Hulk basically killed it.
Was prepared to give it a lotta leeway.  Shulkie's one of my favorite properties.
Instead, it was nauseating up front.  And got progressively worse as it went on.
The whole box hopping was neat.  But not enough to make up for the other problems in the series.
At that point, I'd given up on comic book properties.  As I had on actual comic books more than a decade ago.

I found better product.  Better storytelling, substance, even art outside of the Big Two.

Edited January 19 by Hyperstrike

[InvaderStych]

6 hours ago, BrandX said:

Luke Cage had a good first season but a bad second season, but it also got to suffer from the losing of the rights or something...

 

Curious to hear what didn't work for you in s2. It certainly wasn't as strong as s1, particularly in the supporting performances, but I still enjoyed watching it.

 

6 hours ago, BrandX said:

Was it the sister?

 

I don't remember the sister, maybe I didn't get that far. For me, it was just a general lack of quality in the writing and by s3 the performances felt very ... forced ... like even the actors weren't enjoying doing it anymore. On top of that the villain (at least the one I saw introduced) just wasn't remotely compelling and very poorly performed. I got what they were trying to do and kudos the them for trying, they just did a really poor job of pulling it off. 🤷‍♂️ YMMV, and all that. 🍻

 

FWIW: I am liking WandaVision so far, a little over-the-top in their performances with respect to homage to 1950s television, but humorous nonetheless. First couple of episodes ramped up the "something else is going on" a little fast, but the episodes are short and it is just a single season, so cutting them a little slack there.

[BrandX]

1 hour ago, InvaderStych said:

 

Curious to hear what didn't work for you in s2. It certainly wasn't as strong as s1, particularly in the supporting performances, but I still enjoyed watching it.

 

 

I don't remember the sister, maybe I didn't get that far. For me, it was just a general lack of quality in the writing and by s3 the performances felt very ... forced ... like even the actors weren't enjoying doing it anymore. On top of that the villain (at least the one I saw introduced) just wasn't remotely compelling and very poorly performed. I got what they were trying to do and kudos the them for trying, they just did a really poor job of pulling it off. 🤷‍♂️ YMMV, and all that. 🍻

 

FWIW: I am liking WandaVision so far, a little over-the-top in their performances with respect to homage to 1950s television, but humorous nonetheless. First couple of episodes ramped up the "something else is going on" a little fast, but the episodes are short and it is just a single season, so cutting them a little slack there.

 

It's been awhile since I watched Luke Cage.  I just recall thinking it wasn't as good as S1, I know I didn't care for how they ended it without doing another season.

As for season 3 of JJ, I just know the sister becomes the villain.  I never got to watching it.  Believe it was season 2 that I believe the sister was responsible for her mom's death and they keep it from her?

WandaVision I enjoyed, but it had it's own issues.  Sadly, DS2: MoM didn't watch it.