The Pretty Good AE Debate

[ZacKing]

7 minutes ago, arcane said:

You’re not capable of civil and reasonable conversation. 

 

17 minutes ago, arcane said:

The fact that you are incapable of distinguishing between those anecdotal claims suggests severely limited intelligence. And yes, you deserve to be insulted after that

 

Just saying 😉😁 

[arcane]

9 minutes ago, GM Widower said:

Could you all ratchet down the aggression? Thanks.

Could you do your job and delete posts that merit deletion? Thanks.

[Stoked]

29 minutes ago, arcane said:

Now, on the other hand, comparing claims that AE is top tier rewards to Bigfoot… that’s some seriously disingenuous stuff. 

Let's not change the narrative here. The claim was that AE offered the best rewards in game. Not simply top tier rewards. For the inevitable confusion among some of you, that was intended to mean that you can get better rewards per hour in terms of influence than you can get anywhere else in game so naturally, AE farming must go. Until I see an actual mountain of empirical evidence that someone marketeering in the AH does worse than AE farming, I'm going to call you all out for supporting a bunch of BS.

[Frostbiter]

2 minutes ago, arcane said:

Could you do your job and delete posts that merit deletion? Thanks.

 

I propose we just lock it and place a moratorium on any kind of discussion thread about AE Farming instead. They all end up in the graveyard anyway because everybody has too strong of feelings about it.

[JasperStone]

1 minute ago, Frostbiter said:

 

I propose we just lock it and place a moratorium on any kind of discussion thread about AE Farming instead. They all end up in the graveyard anyway because everybody has too strong of feelings about it.

Please and Thank you.

[Stoked]

Just now, Frostbiter said:

 

I propose we just lock it and place a moratorium on any kind of discussion thread about AE Farming instead. They all end up in the graveyard anyway because everybody has too strong of feelings about it.

OR .. we could allow people to share opinions, share data and properly close the topic as it should be once all the users see the lie that is being sold about AE.

[Seed22]

4 minutes ago, arcane said:

Could you do your job and delete posts that merit deletion? Thanks.

They are but there's quite a bit of vitriol in this thread it seems.

 

It's AE, not the end of the world lol. Folks are trying to insult intelligence over a video game, showing their intrinsic lack thereof. And ironically your post is most likely going to get deleted. I mean, as it should, but still hilarious!

[arcane]

Just now, Stoked said:

OR .. we could allow people to share opinions, share data and properly close the topic as it should be once all the users see the lie that is being sold about AE.

I would prefer to keep the discussion going. 
 

But if Widower wanted the aggression gone, he would’ve done something about the insult posts that create the hostility, including my own.

[Marbing]

30 minutes ago, Stoked said:

But when we speed run LSRF or do back to back SBB's and start selling drops this BS narrative you've chosen to support will quickly come apart.

Do you have anything more than anecdotal evidence to support this claim? If so please provide so we can all parse through that data together.

[ShardWarrior]

5 minutes ago, Frostbiter said:

I propose we just lock it and place a moratorium on any kind of discussion thread about AE Farming instead. They all end up in the graveyard anyway because everybody has too strong of feelings about it.

 

I do not think the thread should be closed.  Prune it of any noise and personal insults, but I do think that it should be allowed to remain open.  Especially since there are people posting actual data and information.  I think that is a good thing.   More data means more information and more understanding of what the situation really is, regardless of what side of the fence the data lands on.

[Frostbiter]

1 minute ago, ShardWarrior said:

 

I do not think the thread should be closed.  Prune it of any noise and personal insults, but I do think that it should be allowed to remain open.  Especially since there are people posting actual data and information.  I think that is a good thing.   More data means more information and more understanding of what the situation really is, regardless of what side of the fence the data lands on.

 

Should I complain of the thumbs down you gave me for suggesting it? Nah, not enough to bother with.

[ShardWarrior]

3 minutes ago, Frostbiter said:

Should I complain of the thumbs down you gave me for suggesting it? Nah, not enough to bother with.

 

You can complain about whatever you like.  😉

[Stoked]

5 minutes ago, Marbing said:

Do you have anything more than anecdotal evidence to support this claim? If so please provide so we can all parse through that data together.

As I said earlier, several of us will be working over the next couple days/nights to get real data about farming event content like SBB. Again, the point here is that AE is being thrown under the bus because it has the best rewards/hr of anything else in game. If our data, combined with that of Bionic Flea and others does nothing more than prove AE does marginally better or worse than "regular" content we will have already proven the narrative false. Anyone with 1/2 brain already understands that it isn't AE that is the real target for the illicit farming. Only marketeering on AH can give you enough of a return to entice bad actors to do what they do. Making AE the target is in itself what's so ridiculous because you can't touch the returns of marketeering by sitting in any farm AE or otherwise.

[Frostbiter]

5 minutes ago, ShardWarrior said:

 

You can complain about whatever you like.  😉

 

Oooh Permission! Thanks stranger!

[The_Warpact]

35 minutes ago, GM Widower said:

Could you all ratchet down the aggression? Thanks.

NAO U!!! 🤬😡

 

 

 

🤣

[MoonSheep]

1 hour ago, Stoked said:

While various people run tests and collect data, I think it's important to note that absolutely no testing was appare tly done before the claims made about AE being the best reward machine in game. Just another example of a lie perpetuated by a select few to support the narrative.

 

data will certainly be helpful yes

 

do you feel it’s likely there will be similar AFK rewards observed outside of AE?

 

i see from @Ukase’s insightful post that he’s able to earn around 64m per hour afk - i’d be very surprised if this level of reward is being achieved outside of AE. you seem to be quite confident it is - can you provide examples?

[ShardWarrior]

2 minutes ago, MoonSheep said:

data will certainly be helpful yes

 

do you feel it’s likely there will be similar AFK rewards observed outside of AE?

 

i see from @Ukase’s insightful post that he’s able to earn around 64m per hour afk - i’d be very surprised if this level of reward is being achieved outside of AE. you seem to be quite confident it is - can you provide examples?

 

So now we are arbitrarily moving goal posts by adding the criteria of AFK farming?

[arcane]

9 minutes ago, ShardWarrior said:

 

So now we are arbitrarily moving goal posts by adding the criteria of AFK farming?

Well that certainly should’ve been included from the start…

[ZacKing]

11 minutes ago, ShardWarrior said:

So now we are arbitrarily moving goal posts by adding the criteria of AFK farming?

 

Of course!  Gotta do something to keep the narrative alive.  Next it will be you can only compare AT to AT using the same power sets and same exact builds running the same specific content.  Of course they want to include that because that's one area where AE is going to be better in that narrow situation because you can control what map you run.  It's utterly hilarious that when you asked for criteria, you got belittled and berated for it.  Now all of a sudden that others are posting their findings that don't jive with the bullshit "AE is the best!" narrative trying to be forced on us, the goalposts must be moved and all kinds of restrictions need to be put into place to make sure it rings true.  It's all hypocritical nonsense. 

 

8 minutes ago, arcane said:

Well that certainly should’ve been included from the start…

 

Nope.  What other goal posts would you like to move now?

[Widower]

I don't want to close this thread for good until after the beta is over so that it won't spill back into the focused feedback threads, but if cooling off voluntarily is not possible, then I think this'll be shut down for today. Come back in 24 hours.

[MoonSheep]

it’s unlocked!

 

[Grouchybeast]

I'm used to threads just getting locked.  This thing where the thread gets sat on the naughty step for a day to calm down and think about what it did is new and exciting.

[Ukase]

I kind of feel like I made my point. But since it's re-opened, I'm still not out my gourd. And if I were, I still have Nectanabo's gourd to replace it. 

[ivanhedgehog]

5 minutes ago, Ukase said:

I kind of feel like I made my point. But since it's re-opened, I'm still not out my gourd. And if I were, I still have Nectanabo's gourd to replace it. 

so you are saying you are gourd to go?

[The_Warpact]

11 minutes ago, ivanhedgehog said:

so you are saying you are gourd to go?

 

16 minutes ago, Ukase said:

I kind of feel like I made my point. But since it's re-opened, I'm still not out my gourd. And if I were, I still have Nectanabo's gourd to replace it. 

Good Gourd what are we talking about now??