What are your plans for i27p5?

[WyntirVale]

Continue to play my Bots/Traps. Likely finish my Plants/Nature controller, and look into some kind of Electrical Affinity build. Not set on the AT yet.

[Sovera]

1 minute ago, Sanguinesun said:

The builds, attack change and more seen would be something to look at in order to assess the testing conditions/variables etc.  Im not trying to necessarily invalidate what you're saying but saying that more empirical evidence would help support it.

 

I can post both builds if you'd like.

 

Cleave, Swoop, Gash, Chop. Repeat. I tried to remove one attack to save on slots but the recharges don't allow it. Using Pendulum is an option instead of Chop (more damage even, in theory since Mids was not updated yet) but double the endurance cost. I sub Chop for Burn since it's poorly slotted due to slot starvation. Sub Chop for Hasten as well, Build-up, etc, since otherwise I am just delaying Cleave to use my weakest attack.

 

Not happy with how it ended up due to needing so many powers and slots. Resistances are finished with a second ATO stack and Barrier's 5%. E/N is slightly behind thanks to the change to Consume's slotting and I haven't fixed it yet. As it is right now E/N is at 76 + 6.7 = 82.7 + 5 = 87.7 + 1 from the Scaling resist 88.7%. Mids does not have healing sets in Consume yet but I figure three +5 Panaceia to maximize the +HP:

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https://www.midsreborn.com/builds/download.php?uc=1899&c=767&a=1534&f=HEX&dc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

 

 

For Stone it's the same rotation but much simpler since I only sub Chop for Build-up/Hasten even if it much better slotted with Stone:

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That said I noticed in-game the the Fire/Axe was still using Beheader instead of Chop so I went to break a few more pylons after a respec:

 

4:52

4:44

 

For the heck of I tried without Burn as well:

 

4:11. Well, okay then.

4:49. Hrrm... CoH, never change. Maybe it was a fluke then. One last try.

4:09. Or not. Burn is definitely unhelpful even with double fire patch under FE. At least for Axe which is what I tested.

 

 

I suppose this leaves Fire/Axe decently ahead compared to Stone with almost or a minute better times.

[Clave Dark 5]

I'm still kicking around thoughts for Beam Rifle something, now it might be time to gives Sents a try.  I also want to rejigger my Mercs MM.

[Gulbasaur]

On 10/16/2022 at 3:55 AM, Snarky said:

mostly going back to soloing old content.  really not liking everyone wanting to do +4/x8 speedrun of hardmode new content and expecting me to be at the missions end 2 min after the mish is posted.

I hate to admit this, Snarks, but more and more your posts speak to my very soul. 

Grumpy Mostly Solo Mostly Story Players Unite (solo, and in their own time, in zones that do not connect). 

[egoprovince]

Respec my controller. Earth/Time. I'm already 50 and it's very resilient but I think I can make some good adjustments to get Epic in there. Early access to hurl boulders and fissure things to death.

[High_Beam]

Well I jumped the gun and right after work yesterday I went home, reframed my Merc MM and executed a respec . . . and like my first marriage, I have significant regrets.  I kept telling myself to move her to Test again and respec that way but I got ants in my pants and now have to burn another to dump the suck Pool Power I took to restore the less sucky pool power I dumped.  Also my new DP/EA Sentinel needs to stop an Atlas Park thingy because she needs a Raptor Pack and there is that Fire Sentinel.

[moobiman]

Get my first 50. Which is probably going to be either ice/ice tank or martial/invuln brute

[kelika2]

holy crap

did like 40 or so respecs so far since tuesday.  blasters and such were a breeze since it was shuffling around a power or a few slots or just fine tuning/bringing up to speed.  but now im getting to the brutes and scrappers who i have not touched in years.  my willpowers with the +regen ios slotted and slotting physical perfection, fast healing and health for healing

[Xandyr]

On 10/19/2022 at 1:31 PM, High_Beam said:

and like my first marriage, I have significant regrets. 

This....hits home. I feel ya.

[Shocktacular]

After the Mids' update: respec city and try the new stuff. also get back to some of my sentinels.

Until the Mids' update: fidget from impatience caused by building curiosity. read stuff on the forums to find the best combos for the new stuff.

 

Also, for whoever was talking about trying elec affinity, I HIGHLY recommend it on a mastermind.  It tends to be pretty busy, so on a MM you can use it while your pets are killing stuff.  Plus the mez protection dome is AMAZING for pets.  And it has a +dmg power to make them kill stuff faster and a +absorb power for additional protection.  And an +end power for when your blue bar gets low.  It's basically a perpetual motion death machine.

[lemming]

Did I mention I was building a new system?  It arrived and it's being annoying, I'll be using some more curse words and other arcane means on it this weekend.  Once it's up and running, respec time!

[Sanguinesun]

On 10/17/2022 at 8:16 AM, Sovera said:

 

I can post both builds if you'd like.

 

Cleave, Swoop, Gash, Chop. Repeat. I tried to remove one attack to save on slots but the recharges don't allow it. Using Pendulum is an option instead of Chop (more damage even, in theory since Mids was not updated yet) but double the endurance cost. I sub Chop for Burn since it's poorly slotted due to slot starvation. Sub Chop for Hasten as well, Build-up, etc, since otherwise I am just delaying Cleave to use my weakest attack.

 

Not happy with how it ended up due to needing so many powers and slots. Resistances are finished with a second ATO stack and Barrier's 5%. E/N is slightly behind thanks to the change to Consume's slotting and I haven't fixed it yet. As it is right now E/N is at 76 + 6.7 = 82.7 + 5 = 87.7 + 1 from the Scaling resist 88.7%. Mids does not have healing sets in Consume yet but I figure three +5 Panaceia to maximize the +HP:

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For Stone it's the same rotation but much simpler since I only sub Chop for Build-up/Hasten even if it much better slotted with Stone:

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That said I noticed in-game the the Fire/Axe was still using Beheader instead of Chop so I went to break a few more pylons after a respec:

 

4:52

4:44

 

For the heck of I tried without Burn as well:

 

4:11. Well, okay then.

4:49. Hrrm... CoH, never change. Maybe it was a fluke then. One last try.

4:09. Or not. Burn is definitely unhelpful even with double fire patch under FE. At least for Axe which is what I tested.

 

 

I suppose this leaves Fire/Axe decently ahead compared to Stone with almost or a minute better times.

 

Late to reply but your fire/axe build hitting walls in the attack change due to recharge are because your choices in powers/slots in the attack chain not having more ff procs to get to the 400% cap is one reason.  Not having ff in  pedulum, cyclone nor cleave is mainly what you should consider changing.  Also I wouldn't go with fly/evasive/hover personally either nor Engergy mastery for epic pool either.   Basically, its a woefully underperforming testing parameter.

 

You also then in your stone/axe build didnt use the same IO slotting as your axe slotting for fire/ and have even less +recharge than the fire/ (stone 158% or so to 232% with fire).

 

Both builds are thus really unable to be assessed well for comparison to come to a determination that one is adequately better than the other.

 

[Sovera]

6 hours ago, Sanguinesun said:

 

Late to reply but your fire/axe build hitting walls in the attack change due to recharge are because your choices in powers/slots in the attack chain not having more ff procs to get to the 400% cap is one reason.  Not having ff in  pedulum, cyclone nor cleave is mainly what you should consider changing.  Also I wouldn't go with fly/evasive/hover personally either nor Engergy mastery for epic pool either.   Basically, its a woefully underperforming testing parameter.

 

You also then in your stone/axe build didnt use the same IO slotting as your axe slotting for fire/ and have even less +recharge than the fire/ (stone 158% or so to 232% with fire).

 

Both builds are thus really unable to be assessed well for comparison to come to a determination that one is adequately better than the other.

 

 

FF procs can't trigger indefinitely. Others have tested (not myself) and reported the FF procs will extend the duration but at some point stop before an enforced pause happens. Regardless PPM would say keeping FF procs happening back to back to eternity is not going to be a thing.

 

Of course the IO slotting is not mirrored. This does not even make sense. It's different secondaries, one is resist, one is defense. The reason some people like SR so much is so little that they have to invest to reach their goals leaving the rest of their slotting to do as they please. Stone is less offense based than Fire but has easier means to reach defense goals so they slot more offensively.

 

Not taking hover/Fly/Evasive? Sure? Not sure what you want me to say here. Not to use my favorite travel power to... do better at a test? Same with Focused Accuracy. I (try) not to stick to the threadmill of Council/ITF which puts me against exotic enemies who like to debuff ToHiy. FA makes me immune to those. When I post builds I make mention of this and that if it is not something people do that they ought to change for Gloom.

 

Stone does no need more recharge. It has no clickies other than Earth's Embrace which is casually perma, unlike Fire with Consume and Healing Flames. So what is the point of adding more recharge once the ST rotation is gapless?

 

 

You're missing the point here. I'm not aiming for best times (which is the majority of your advice about) not am I competing against others to see who wins. I was pitting a build against another build. Fire still came out decently ahead once I realized the criminal mistake I made.