Forum Moderation - give me suggestions and feedback

[PoptartsNinja]

  On 3/22/2025 at 3:50 PM, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

But even constructive criticism has limits.  Posting the same thing over and over is not helpful.  It does not make your criticism more weighty.  It's just adding noise that makes finding the other constructive criticism harder. 

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Honest question:

If you don't want to see multiple people rehashing the same bit of criticism in dev threads, do you recommend users giving likes and/or thumbs ups to criticism they especially agree with and want to support; or giving thumbs downs to criticism they don't want to support as a way of showing devs that we do/don't think something is a genuine problem?

If so, that instruction may need to be included in feedback threads going forward. Because people have a natural tendency to "yes, and" things they feel are a problem.

Edited Saturday at 05:48 PM by PoptartsNinja

[Captain Fabulous]

  On 3/22/2025 at 5:47 PM, PoptartsNinja said:

Honest question:

If you don't want to see multiple people rehashing the same bit of criticism in dev threads, do you recommend users giving likes and/or thumbs ups to criticism they especially agree with and want to support; or giving thumbs downs to criticism they don't want to support as a way of showing devs that we do/don't think something is a genuine problem?

If so, that instruction may need to be included in feedback threads going forward. Because people have a natural tendency to "yes, and" things they feel are a problem.

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It's not about multiple people posting the same thing. It's about when one person continually posts over and over again about the same thing. Multiple people chiming in about the same issue is fine. One person constantly droning on about the same issue isn't.

[PoptartsNinja]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:18 PM, Captain Fabulous said:

It's not about multiple people posting the same thing. It's about when one person continually posts over and over again about the same thing. Multiple people chiming in about the same issue is fine. One person constantly droning on about the same issue isn't.

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That isn't how I read (and continue to read) GMGM's post, so I feel the question still needs to be asked.

[PeregrineFalcon]

  On 3/22/2025 at 3:50 PM, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

Nobody likes to get criticized, let alone having work, which you sank hours of sweat into, criticized.

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Yeah, I get that. But you can't start a thread titled "Please give us feedback on the new set" and then delete posts and hand out warning points when the feedback is "I don't like this power in this set and here's why."

 

And that did happen. And not just to me.

 

  On 3/22/2025 at 3:50 PM, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

PS - I'm not accusing Peregrine Falcon of doing any of that.  I just quoted it to explain focused feedback thread moderation.

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No, I understand that. We're just discussing this topic.

 

By the way, I have to ask. What does that microphone looking response mean? I keep getting them on my posts all the time too.

[Glacier Peak]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:52 PM, PeregrineFalcon said:

By the way, I have to ask. What does that microphone looking response mean? I keep getting them on my posts all the time too.

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I don't know what it means, but I use it when a poster says something I would say or I think speaks well to the topic. 

[Super Atom]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:52 PM, PeregrineFalcon said:

By the way, I have to ask. What does that microphone looking response mean? I keep getting them on my posts all the time too.

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It means you're really diverse. A lot of diversity in what you say. You have a very diverse mindset. Your posts appeal to a diverse crowd of people to get a lot of mics

 

🤭

Edited Saturday at 07:17 PM by Super Atom

[TygerDarkstorm]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:52 PM, PeregrineFalcon said:

Yeah, I get that. But you can't start a thread titled "Please give us feedback on the new set" and then delete posts and hand out warning points when the feedback is "I don't like this power in this set and here's why."

 

And that did happen. And not just to me.

 

No, I understand that. We're just discussing this topic.

 

By the way, I have to ask. What does that microphone looking response mean? I keep getting them on my posts all the time too.

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I'm pretty sure it's supposed to represent a mic drop

[biostem]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:52 PM, PeregrineFalcon said:

By the way, I have to ask. What does that microphone looking response mean? I keep getting them on my posts all the time too.

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I interpret it as meaning that your points should be amplified...

Edited Saturday at 07:24 PM by biostem

[Captain Fabulous]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:52 PM, PeregrineFalcon said:

By the way, I have to ask. What does that microphone looking response mean? I keep getting them on my posts all the time too.

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Sometimes a microphone is just a microphone.

[tidge]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:52 PM, PeregrineFalcon said:

By the way, I have to ask. What does that microphone looking response mean? I keep getting them on my posts all the time too.

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It means that the kids are having Ronco-levels of fun!

 

 

Edited Saturday at 08:28 PM by tidge

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

  On 3/22/2025 at 5:47 PM, PoptartsNinja said:

If you don't want to see multiple people rehashing the same bit of criticism in dev threads, do you recommend users giving likes and/or thumbs ups to criticism they especially agree with and want to support; or giving thumbs downs to criticism they don't want to support as a way of showing devs that we do/don't think something is a genuine problem?

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I'm not talking about multiple people.  I'm talking about individuals going on and on saying the same thing usually as they argue with others.

 

That said, thumbs up & down are perfectly valid forms of feedback.  

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:52 PM, PeregrineFalcon said:

By the way, I have to ask. What does that microphone looking response mean?

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I don't know what that one or the rest of the back half of emotes mean.  In my head, I think of microphone as "mic drop!"  Whether that's what's intended . . . *shrug*

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:52 PM, PeregrineFalcon said:

But you can't start a thread titled "Please give us feedback on the new set" and then delete posts and hand out warning points when the feedback is "I don't like this power in this set and here's why."

 

And that did happen. And not just to me.

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Can you point me to the thread where that happened?  I can still see hidden posts, but not deleted ones.

[PeregrineFalcon]

  On 3/22/2025 at 9:42 PM, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

Can you point me to the thread where that happened?  I can still see hidden posts, but not deleted ones.

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Look at any of the feedback threads over 2 years old.

 

EDIT: Also, take a look at the feedback thread for the team diversity game mechanic. Or whatever it's called.

Edited Sunday at 12:21 AM by PeregrineFalcon
Added another one.

[EmperorSteele]

  On 3/22/2025 at 3:50 PM, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

snollygosters

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Thank you for my new favorite word, Mister Moogly!

[Excraft]

  On 3/22/2025 at 3:50 PM, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

But even constructive criticism has limits.  Posting the same thing over and over is not helpful.  It does not make your criticism more weighty.  It's just adding noise that makes finding the other constructive criticism harder. 

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Sometimes a point needs to be repeated in order for it to sink in. 

[Excraft]

  On 3/22/2025 at 9:42 PM, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

Can you point me to the thread where that happened?  I can still see hidden posts, but not deleted ones.

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The "hide and deny" behavior isn't isolated to just Focused Feedback threads.  I can give examples if needed.

[UltraAlt]

  On 3/22/2025 at 9:37 PM, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

That said, thumbs up & down are perfectly valid forms of feedback.  

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I have to say that I think that is funny.

Since we have been able to use the emojis here, I have always felt like 👎 = /jranger 

You don't say why you are against post, but simply /jranger it with a 👎.

 

But I guess 👎is better than 💩

 

[tidge]

  On 3/24/2025 at 9:55 AM, UltraAlt said:

 

I have to say that I think that is funny.

Since we have been able to use the emojis here, I have always felt like 👎 = /jranger 

You don't say why you are against post, but simply /jranger it with a 👎.

 

But I guess 👎is better than 💩

 

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Personally: I try to avoid using "thumbs down" on suggestions, because I also think of it (without some details  of why I dislike teh suggestion) as a /jranger. I also see some users simply hit most replies in certain threads that don't agree with their favored opinion as a thumbs down, which seems to dilute whatever meaning it could have as some sort of childish akanbe response.

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

  On 3/24/2025 at 5:31 AM, Excraft said:

 

The "hide and deny" behavior isn't isolated to just Focused Feedback threads.  I can give examples if needed.

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You can, if you wish.  But privately, please.

[DrRocket]

To begin, thank you for moderating! Big Hug

 

As I try to post or read other posts, you can categorize respondents into supportive or just down anti whatever you post, ask for a QoL and they tell you work around it, at times they are polite enough to tell you how, despite you described the how and the why you want relief from that specific work around.

 

Perhaps my suggestion, since folks are trying to influence the game in a positive manner to their style of play which may be not quite unique but quite popular; to actually put the stops to the negative nannies, even bar for a day or two to get them to be more supportive or just have them say nothing if they can't be supportive. I am fine, if the response is to tell you there is already a way to do it, seemslessly but the player simply did not know.

[Excraft]

  On 3/25/2025 at 6:44 PM, DrRocket said:

Perhaps my suggestion, since folks are trying to influence the game in a positive manner to their style of play which may be not quite unique but quite popular; to actually put the stops to the negative nannies, even bar for a day or two to get them to be more supportive or just have them say nothing if they can't be supportive. I am fine, if the response is to tell you there is already a way to do it, seemslessly but the player simply did not know.

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With respect, I don't think we want to start barring people from the forums, even temporarily, for suggesting workarounds to an issue or not supporting an idea. 

[Rudra]

  On 3/25/2025 at 6:44 PM, DrRocket said:

Perhaps my suggestion, since folks are trying to influence the game in a positive manner to their style of play which may be not quite unique but quite popular; to actually put the stops to the negative nannies, even bar for a day or two to get them to be more supportive or just have them say nothing if they can't be supportive. I am fine, if the response is to tell you there is already a way to do it, seemslessly but the player simply did not know.

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Let's think about what this post is saying. To put a stop to the 'negative nannies', bar them for a day or two to get them to be more supportive. So if someone disagrees with something, they get banned for a day or two. And if they disagree when the ban is lifted, they get banned for a day or two. Until they decide to agree. So unless someone wants to agree with a suggestion, they should just keep quiet, by their own choice ("have them say nothing if they can't be supportive") or as enforced by the GMs ("bar them for a day or two to get them to be more supportive"). That's called gatekeeping. A blatant attempt to silence any discussion that is not in favor of anything someone may choose to post regardless of what is being posted.

[biostem]

  On 3/25/2025 at 6:44 PM, DrRocket said:

Perhaps my suggestion, since folks are trying to influence the game in a positive manner to their style of play which may be not quite unique but quite popular; to actually put the stops to the negative nannies, even bar for a day or two to get them to be more supportive or just have them say nothing if they can't be supportive. I am fine, if the response is to tell you there is already a way to do it, seemslessly but the player simply did not know.

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I think you are confusing "feedback" with "sycophancy"....

[PeregrineFalcon]

  On 3/22/2025 at 9:37 PM, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

I'm not talking about multiple people.  I'm talking about individuals going on and on saying the same thing usually as they argue with others.

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I've already suggested, multiple times, that the way to deal with this in the feedback threads is to allow each person one post in that thread. ONE.

 

Any post past the first one gets deleted. Even the first one will get deleted if there isn't something that says they did some actual testing. If people want to address other issues that get brought up then they can edit their post.

 

That would solve almost every problem that we have with the feedback threads.