KaizenSoze Posted June 1 Posted June 1 I'll need to double checked but one of the many less than idea about how the logs work is powers that sleep and do damage. You will only see rolls that miss the mob and not hit rolls. Damage auras do the same thing, only record miss rolls. This quirk of the logs give the appearance of a low high percentage. You need to count the damage lines as pseudo hits manually. Frozen Aura is one of those powers I count the damage lines as hits. Spore burst is annoying as it does not damage. Still working on how to handle that one in my tool. Cyclops 1 Night Pixie on Excelsior Introduction to Arachnos Widows - Night/Blood/Fortunata
Yomo Kimyata Posted June 1 Posted June 1 On 5/28/2025 at 8:21 PM, StarkWhite said: Deep Sleep is player-only. I'm a little sad about that; why not give it to enemies as well?! Who run Bartertown?
KaizenSoze Posted June 1 Posted June 1 6 minutes ago, Yomo Kimyata said: I'm a little sad about that; why not give it to enemies as well?! Haha. Just wait to folks start hitting the Kallisti Wharf mobs. The mobs have enough tricks as is. Night Pixie on Excelsior Introduction to Arachnos Widows - Night/Blood/Fortunata
MTeague Posted June 1 Posted June 1 8 minutes ago, Yomo Kimyata said: I'm a little sad about that; why not give it to enemies as well?! It would be a huge power jump for certain mobs. Tsoo yellow ink men, in numbers, are annoying that they sleep you, but you an at least respond each time they hit you. If you were up against six of them, all Deep-Sleeping you, that would effectively perma-hold most players for any easy kill. Now, yes, Break Free's exist. So do powers like Clear Mind and the like. But it would be a Nasty surprise for players levelling up characters for certain missions. It may still happen in time. But I do understand being a touch cautious on the initial rollout. 1 .
Vanden Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Uun said: Did you have any acc slotted? No, I took it out specifically so there’d be some misses in order to demonstrate what it looks like when there’s a miss. 1 hour ago, Uun said: So the fact that my combat log shows Deep Sleep applied to all of my targets just means that none of the tohit rolls missed Yup, even with the thrice-damned hit cap that does happen from time to time. A Cheat Sheet for efficient Endurance Recovery slotting Invention Set Designer Tool Spreadsheet with every Ancillary Power Pool
csr Posted June 2 Posted June 2 (edited) Re Deep Sleep powers: I believe the tech involved requires that the power be autohit for any portion of it to autohit. Then those parts that aren't autohit are tagged as requiring a hit roll. And those subsidiary rolls don't show up in the logs. Anyway, I don't think that's bad design. I believe the autohit Sleep portion was left in so that people who had taken the powers already could keep using them the same way they are now. It's merely a courtesy fallback. Edited June 2 by csr Typo
OrionX Posted June 2 Posted June 2 I do enjoy the new cooldowns. But what I really would like is to be more relevant in endgame raids. For GL's Hami, LoF and GMs and incarnate trials the dominator really does not have a lot of value other than it gets out DBS's by a lot of other toons. In any case, keep up the great work!
TheOriginalLee Posted June 3 Posted June 3 I'm slightly puzzled by the need for this. Back in the day I played both of the sleep powersets - an elec/elec brute and a MC/sonic controller. I found both characters great for team play including task/strike force - but nearly useless in raids or against GMs. The Brute was able to use the sleeps and stuns of that set to just take jabs and switch target in a mob - building fury while keeping the minions quite as she focused on the harder targets. The MC controller was more powerful at locking mobs down entirely. A Rikti mosh pit was pointless - just tossing meager damage out there hoping to score back a share of the XP on anything. But regular teammates learned how to work with it, slice out their targets, point their cone attacks outward, etc. Maybe I'll remake Volt Tess on the test server, see if I remember enough to see any differences. I do get that those sets with just a single sleep power makes it really hard to want. For those powers, this might make them interesting to play. Gives me hope that cage powers will see some thoughtful developer luv in the future. 2
icesphere Posted June 6 Posted June 6 You sound like you're against sleep because of the effects of it in league settings, but what about those like you pointed out with small teams or solo working around one niche?
KaizenSoze Posted June 7 Posted June 7 I know the Epic: Mesmerize deep sleep with reverted in build 4. On a Brute, it is proc'ed OVERPOWER like a controller after build 4. 2025-06-07 11:30:39 HIT Galaxy Archon! Your Mesmerize power is autohit. 2025-06-07 11:30:39 You Sleep Galaxy Archon with your Mesmerize. 2025-06-07 11:30:39 You Sleep Galaxy Archon with your Mesmerize (OVERPOWER). Night Pixie on Excelsior Introduction to Arachnos Widows - Night/Blood/Fortunata
Auroxis Posted June 14 Posted June 14 @Captain Powerhouse Can you confirm there is a lockout period before each instance of damage can reduce deep sleep duration? I believe it's 0.35s or something adjacent to it?
Developer Captain Powerhouse Posted June 14 Developer Posted June 14 @Auroxis There is a short lockout to prevent rapid pulses from powers like Telekinesis from instantly breaking the sleep, I don't have the value at hand at the moment.
Heatstroke Posted Sunday at 12:43 PM Posted Sunday at 12:43 PM Are these new Deep Sleep Powers now worth respecing into? I have an Ice and Plant Controller that never took the sleep powers because it was kind of pointless. My Elec Control characers makes better use of that sets sleep. Are these new sleeps changes like that one ??
KaizenSoze Posted Sunday at 01:03 PM Posted Sunday at 01:03 PM 18 minutes ago, Heatstroke said: Are these new Deep Sleep Powers now worth respecing into? I have an Ice and Plant Controller that never took the sleep powers because it was kind of pointless. My Elec Control characers makes better use of that sets sleep. Are these new sleeps changes like that one ?? The ability to Mass Hypnosis then Telekinetic pull the whole spawn together without getting hit, mostly. Is really nice. AOE sleeps at least are like spawn off switches now. Also, you can beat to the key mobs several times before they wake up. Night Pixie on Excelsior Introduction to Arachnos Widows - Night/Blood/Fortunata
Uun Posted Sunday at 03:16 PM Posted Sunday at 03:16 PM 2 hours ago, Heatstroke said: Are these new Deep Sleep Powers now worth respecing into? I have an Ice and Plant Controller that never took the sleep powers because it was kind of pointless. My Elec Control characers makes better use of that sets sleep. Are these new sleeps changes like that one ?? Deep Sleep uses a different mechanic than Static Field and Sleep Grenade. (These simply reapply sleep every 4s and and are specifically not being converted to Deep Sleep.) With Deep Sleep, damage doesn't awaken foes, it shortens the sleep duration. I've tried the Mind and Plant variants and found them to be quite useful. That said, I'll note that Spore Burst doesn't play well with Carrion Creepers. Uuniverse
Heatstroke Posted Sunday at 03:42 PM Posted Sunday at 03:42 PM 24 minutes ago, Uun said: Deep Sleep uses a different mechanic than Static Field and Sleep Grenade. (These simply reapply sleep every 4s and and are specifically not being converted to Deep Sleep.) With Deep Sleep, damage doesn't awaken foes, it shortens the sleep duration. I've tried the Mind and Plant variants and found them to be quite useful. That said, I'll note that Spore Burst doesn't play well with Carrion Creepers. Thanks this is very helpful. Then I wont add it to my Plant Controller, but will probably spec into Flash Freeze with my Ice Controller.
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