Redoing OG TF as level 50 Hard Content

[Snarky]

rewrite OG TF as Hardmode 50, offering both Master of and 1-4 star versions.

 

Some TF will need to be shortened.  The Synapse, for example, would condense each "kill all section" into 1 kill all.  As well as a lot of other changes.  

 

 

[kelika2]

they should extend the synapes killalls to like 12 missions in a row in the theoretical hms

to show true dedication

[Darmian]

21 minutes ago, kelika2 said:

they should extend the synapes killalls to like 12 missions in a row in the theoretical hms

to show true dedication

Go FULL DEFEAT ALL!  Once you've killed all the enemies the map converts to PVP and you can't exit the mission until only one of you is left alive.

[Ukase]

15 hours ago, Snarky said:

rewrite OG TF as Hardmode 50, offering both Master of and 1-4 star versions.

 

Some TF will need to be shortened.  The Synapse, for example, would condense each "kill all section" into 1 kill all.  As well as a lot of other changes.  

 

 

I remember a time when @ST1TcH or some variation of that, would tell me that he would do a lot more positron tfs, and synapse tfs too, if he could run them at 50. 
For whatever reason, probably having something to do with some mobs just not being available at level 50 being the reason this hasn't been done already. That and resources and interest by the ones that would have to do the work. 

It's a great thing to be able to exemp and go through content that you missed, or just run through it again. But it would be greater still if exemplaring would be unnecessary, and we could just run content at 50. Now, I say that, having not thought one bit about how that would impact the market, the xp earning curve by lower level characters and stuff like that. 

I can't say for sure, but I think there's a CoH server out there that does allow a 50 to do positron at 50. No idea who they are, nor do I care to find out. And it could be that is reason alone why HC doesn't do it. No idea. 

The shortening of Synapse is long overdue. I think it's just a question of dev time and interest, really. 

Myself, I'd rather see new stuff come out than old stuff re-worked, if it comes down to a choice. 

[Luminara]

18 hours ago, Snarky said:

rewrite OG TF as Hardmode 50, offering both Master of and 1-4 star versions.

 

Your masochism reaches new heights.

[srmalloy]

3 hours ago, Ukase said:

For whatever reason, probably having something to do with some mobs just not being available at level 50 being the reason this hasn't been done already. That and resources and interest by the ones that would have to do the work. 

Synapse could be done using the Psychic Clockwork from Tina McIntyre's first mission which could be seriously annoying for builds short on psi def/res.

[lemming]

17 minutes ago, srmalloy said:

Synapse could be done using the Psychic Clockwork from Tina McIntyre's first mission which could be seriously annoying for builds short on psi def/res.

Probably go with the clockwork as in Advanced Lady Gray and seen in the Labyrinth. (slight difference though)

 

Of course, all this messes with timelines pretty badly.   By then, he's gotten weird about Penny Yin while it's not mentioned in Posi or Synapse.

 

There could be another TF made around the Praetorian Yin and the Clockwork King perhaps?

[Ghost]

I want these run at their respective levels.

Thats right, exempted down.  No incarnates.  No crying about requiring T4 Barriers.  

Make it truly “Hard Mode”

[Snarky]

51 minutes ago, Ghost said:

I want these run at their respective levels.

Thats right, exempted down.  No incarnates.  No crying about requiring T4 Barriers.  

Make it truly “Hard Mode”

That is another interesting (and great) idea for a badge challenge.  Two great benefits 1) slightly more people running these (for badges) 2) no dev investment besides placing option for master run and adding badge to system 

[MsSmart]

On 10/17/2025 at 5:26 PM, Snarky said:

rewrite OG TF as Hardmode 50, offering both Master of and 1-4 star versions.

 

Some TF will need to be shortened.  The Synapse, for example, would condense each "kill all section" into 1 kill all.  As well as a lot of other changes.  

 

 

Please forgive me, but what is OG?

[srmalloy]

50 minutes ago, MsSmart said:

Please forgive me, but what is OG?

I think it's "Old Guard" or "Original Generation", a reference to the original TFs with the implication that they're outdated and no longer fit for purpose.

[Snarky]

3 hours ago, MsSmart said:

Please forgive me, but what is OG?

OG
1 of 2
noun
ˌō-ˈjē 
variants or less commonly O.G.
pluralOGs also OG's or O.G.s or O.G.'s
slang
: someone or something that is an original or originator and especially one that is highly respected or regarded
The Nashville Tennessean recently tweeted, "What does the owner of Prince's think about all these hot-chicken imitators?" One Prince's fan replied, "… Prince's is the OG. And that's that on that."
—Paige Williams
"… We had veterans [in that cast]. … I learned so much from watching them. They are the OG's of this theatre game."
—Joshua Henry
When it came time to tackle the recipe, I had two options—keep it classic … or embrace Lizzo's updated version. … I decided to go with the O.G.
—Florence O'Connor
And indeed, mead dates back over 3,000 years, making it a real OG of the alcoholic beverage scene.
—Taylor Tobin

[Jacke]

6 hours ago, MsSmart said:

Please forgive me, but what is OG?

 

The Urban Dictionary is often good for finding all sorts of definitions.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OG

[MsSmart]

Thank you all

[MsSmart]

Giggles, now that I understand... I think making the Task Force Commander's TFs available at level 50 would be spectacular!

 

I have wondered, why are the TFs in fact not scalable to the level of the organizer? Just a thought... Giggles, can you imagine at level 10 doing all the Task Force Commander TFs? or the SFs needed for the Sheer Will Accolade?

 

Just  thinking a bit outside the envelope, or box...

[Jacke]

On 10/17/2025 at 4:26 PM, Snarky said:

rewrite OG TF as Hardmode 50, offering both Master of and 1-4 star versions.

 

Let's lean into Hardmode....hard.

 

Let's change Task Forces Hardmode such that afterwards Players will want to tackle something easier, like a +4x8 Barracuda SF.

 

This will require some engine changes.  Stuff like much more complicated maps.  And not just staying on a Task Force when logged off.  But staying on a Mission Map of a Task Force when logged off or even the Servers restarted.  A persistent Task Force state.  Need these things to reach for that Hard Hardmode.

 

Then recast the Task Forces, leaning into whatever Players complain about.  Sometimes indirectly.

 

For example, Synapse Hard Mode:  Only 1 Defeat-All Mission.  Which will need those engine changes.

 

It's in a skyscraper.  A big initial map, with an elevator far across the map.  Packed with mobs.  Mobs grouped together so 2 or more spawns are aggroed together.  Tough mobs.

 

Then the Team goes up the elevator.  Another big map packed with mobs with the elevator up across the map.

 

Then the Team goes up the elevator.  Guess what?  Another big map packed with mobs with the elevator up across the map.

 

Then you can guess what happens on the following floors.  😺

 

Some floors are smaller.  Still packed with mobs.  With an AV like +4 Reichsmann but tougher.  😺

 

Can't just drop off the Task Force.  Gotta go back down to the ground floor.  Oh, floors respawn.  😺

 

Get back to the ground floor, get to the door.  Whoops!  Gotta queue to exit the Mission.  😺

 

Some more stuff yet to be determined.

 

 

[Jacke]

1 minute ago, MsSmart said:

I have wondered, why are the TFs in fact not scalable to the level of the organizer? Just a thought...

 

Welp, I can think of a few reasons:

• Some enemy groups, generally and on a particular Mission/Task Force, are only defined for a certain range of Levels.  If any are defined for L1 to L50, it's not many.
• Other features of Maps/Missions/Task Forces are adjusted.  While these can work for a range of Levels, I don't think they can for L1 to L50.
• The rewards are usually fixed and don't vary that much.  At the lower Level, it may be significantly easier for nearly the same rewards.  This would be exploited.

 

 

[MsSmart]

3 minutes ago, Jacke said:

 

Welp, I can think of a few reasons:

• Some enemy groups, generally and on a particular Mission/Task Force, are only defined for a certain range of Levels.  If any are defined for L1 to L50, it's not many.
• Other features of Maps/Missions/Task Forces are adjusted.  While these can work for a range of Levels, I don't think they can for L1 to L50.
• The rewards are usually fixed and don't vary that much.  At the lower Level, it may be significantly easier for nearly the same rewards.  This would be exploited.

 

 

Good points, but  I wonder could they be resolved since they would be only 5 TFs and a like number of SFs for the red side?

[Jacke]

Just now, MsSmart said:

Good points, but  I wonder could they be resolved since they would be only 5 TFs and a like number of SFs for the red side?

 

There's a lot more than 5 TFs.  There's more than 5 Enemy Groups and some of them have more than one TF that involves them.

 

Making a change to an Enemy Group:

• Adjusting the Enemy Group definitions.
• Adjusting the Missions/Arc/Task Forces to make use of the wider definitions.
• Those changes would have some basic checking by the devs, then expanded to Closed Alpha and later Closed Beta testing by Devs and Testers.
• Issues and balance and other concerns would have to be addressed and then tested more.
• Impacts on other parts of the game would have to be identified, adjusted, and tested.
• When it got well enough along, goes to Open Beta testing and adjustment.
• All along this process, if the Devs are satisfied with how a change is, it goes to Release, else parts get removed and put back for consideration on a later Page.
• What is considered in good enough shape is released as a new Page.

To do that to just one Task Force to make it for all Levels, L1 to L50, would be a massive change.  Because it would have to be tested at many Levels.

 

And to do that would mean other content changes would have to be delayed, because there's only so much Dev and Tester volunteer time available.

 

Now, there are changes done to Enemy Groups, changing them and also expanding their Level range.  But often that new Level range is only used by new content, just to make changes reasonable enough to not overwhelm the Devs and the Testers.  More general changes are done, but more content needs to be tested to confirm those changes.

 

 

[Snarky]

4 hours ago, Jacke said:

 

Let's lean into Hardmode....hard.

 

Let's change Task Forces Hardmode such that afterwards Players will want to tackle something easier, like a +4x8 Barracuda SF.

 

This will require some engine changes.  Stuff like much more complicated maps.  And not just staying on a Task Force when logged off.  But staying on a Mission Map of a Task Force when logged off or even the Servers restarted.  A persistent Task Force state.  Need these things to reach for that Hard Hardmode.

 

Then recast the Task Forces, leaning into whatever Players complain about.  Sometimes indirectly.

 

For example, Synapse Hard Mode:  Only 1 Defeat-All Mission.  Which will need those engine changes.

 

It's in a skyscraper.  A big initial map, with an elevator far across the map.  Packed with mobs.  Mobs grouped together so 2 or more spawns are aggroed together.  Tough mobs.

 

Then the Team goes up the elevator.  Another big map packed with mobs with the elevator up across the map.

 

Then the Team goes up the elevator.  Guess what?  Another big map packed with mobs with the elevator up across the map.

 

Then you can guess what happens on the following floors.  😺

 

Some floors are smaller.  Still packed with mobs.  With an AV like +4 Reichsmann but tougher.  😺

 

Can't just drop off the Task Force.  Gotta go back down to the ground floor.  Oh, floors respawn.  😺

 

Get back to the ground floor, get to the door.  Whoops!  Gotta queue to exit the Mission.  😺

 

Some more stuff yet to be determined.

 

 

No

[mistagoat]