Earth/Storm build?

[Avilister]

I think maybe you need to read up on the ProcMonster threads in both the Controller and Defender forums. While what you say is, on paper at least, correct, testing has shown that this is not the case for rain and patch-type powers. For whatever reason (possibly a bug?) they seem to proc enhancements at far, far lower rates than expected and procs with durations (such as Achilles's Heel) don't last for their full duration.

[Chelsea Rorec]

Also i vaguely remember something about recharge procs not working with pets anymore just before the shutdown and i remember ripping out recharge procs from storm.

So unless you can confirm 100% that  recharge procs work in storm then i will go with what i know.

[Chelsea Rorec]

6 minutes ago, 5099y_74c05 said:

If you can provide game combat logs or HeroStats logs to support your findings, it would be helpful to the discussion.

It's on the wiki..go read it.

[Chelsea Rorec]

I did find this http://web.archive.org/web/20120904212444/http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?p=2217360#post2217360

It does mention the recharge proc change for pets and i'm sure it didn't work then or now.

[Chelsea Rorec]

3 minutes ago, 5099y_74c05 said:

Unfortunately the wiki is outdated and incorrect on this topic. As it relates to procs, the information here is more accurate:

That is saying the same thing as the wiki.

To the letter!.

 

[Bopper]

1 hour ago, Chelsea Rorec said:

off the wiki

It's base recharge time. If you have a single target attack slotted with a 2 ppm IO, the power would need to have a 30 second recharge to have a 100% proc chance. You could then IO it to ~100% recharge and combine that with 100% global recharge bonus to get the power's recharge down to 10 seconds, and it would still have that 100% proc chance. This is how all of the store-bought IO set procs work, as well as the ATO procs that are not global bonuses.

 

Thats saying procs are based off of base recharge and adding recharge IO's dosn't effect the PPM

Yes ?

It does not work off base recharge. It works off enhanced recharge. Feel free to read through my guide and I'll happily clarify anything you'd like. The wiki you reference is for i23, we are in i25+ now, so lots have changed.

[Bopper]

7 minutes ago, 5099y_74c05 said:

Procs have been under performing with certain powers. If you have evidence to the contrary, it would be nice to look at logs. You may be getting outlier results and it would be good for the community to understand why.

FWIW, if anyone sees a performance issue in a specific power, please message me about it so I can verify. Tell me the performance you're seeing, I'll calculate what I think it should be, and if there's a discrepancy I'll test it. Right now, only Enflame has been acting weird for me, but I haven't necessarily been hunting for problems, so I'll need community help to point me in the right direction.

[Bopper]

1 minute ago, 5099y_74c05 said:

What anomaly are you seeing with Enflame?

I dont want to hijack the thread, so if you/anyone want to talk about it more, PM me. But to answer your question, I am not seeing it proc when the pseudopets are summoned. It only procs when you cast it. I believe this is different from when I initially tested it over a month ago (I swore I used to see it proc 2-3 times; once on cast then randomly again on the subsequent summons).

 

Anyways, I asked a GM about it but have been ignored. So who knows what's going on.

[Sir Myshkin]

5 hours ago, Chelsea Rorec said:

off the wiki

It's base recharge time. If you have a single target attack slotted with a 2 ppm IO, the power would need to have a 30 second recharge to have a 100% proc chance. You could then IO it to ~100% recharge and combine that with 100% global recharge bonus to get the power's recharge down to 10 seconds, and it would still have that 100% proc chance. This is how all of the store-bought IO set procs work, as well as the ATO procs that are not global bonuses.

 

Thats saying procs are based off of base recharge and adding recharge IO's dosn't effect the PPM

Yes ?

No, unfortunately. Bopper did the digging for the math, and I shared in a ton of testing work for how the procs actually result in-game currently. You can get the formulas here. There is a probability maximum of 90%, minimum of 5% for all procs, and their PPM is what is used to determine that probability. Regrettably the ParagonWiki is not fully accurate, and has not been updated since Homecoming. It has the general idea, but not the full truth of it. The formulas that Bopper put together are confirmed from Homecoming Dev's for accuracy, extracted from source code, and verified through excessive testing.

 

5 hours ago, Chelsea Rorec said:

You are dead wrong.

I get a ton of mileage and damage from freezing rain.

It's one of my most damaging powers.

Same with VC and quake.

I'm speaking from verified testing, in conjunction with other players who have logged the actual damage being dealt, and looked for the proc triggers. They're not occurring as much as you might think they are. I'm not saying they don't, just that it is far less than you might think they are, or would want them to actual do. When you drop that patch, those procs are only getting a trigger chance once at drop, and once every following 10/s. For FR, that's only two prompts. The damage you're experiencing is main-line just FR taking advantage of its own -Res effect. If you truly believe you're getting more, I'd encourage you to watch the combat logs (both pet damage and your damage), and go out and drop FR a dozen times and look at the proc triggers in the combat logs. Widen the window, there's going to be a lot of 1's.

 

When you say VC, or you referring to Volcanic Gasses? As that power actually does work accordingly, and its obsessively large recharge allows you to get away with maximizing enhancement and still getting a high probability.

 

Like I said, take a stronger look at the other build, I'm not changing the world or trying to destroy yours, just sharing what is confirmed, and with a build that is proven to work, and proven to be superior in performance. I'm not saying you should go off and respec right now, but there is significant impact in what's there that can help you.

 

Edited to add this:

I didn't see that an entire second page went into overflow, but I think you need read these two threads: Controller Proc Thread and Defender Proc Thread to see where things stand right now. I know you commented in one of them, but I think you may have passed over the point of the topic, and what was being tested.

Edited September 7, 2019 by Sir Myshkin

[Chelsea Rorec]

15 hours ago, Bopper said:

It does not work off base recharge. It works off enhanced recharge. Feel free to read through my guide and I'll happily clarify anything you'd like. The wiki you reference is for i23, we are in i25+ now, so lots have changed.

I'm confused then.

Your fomula says MRT = BaseRecharge / ( 1 + RechargeBoost_from_Enhancements_and_Alpha / 100 )

Also what is cast time in

Probability to Proc = PPM * (MRT+ CastTime) / (60 * AreaMod)

Is that the animation time ?

Thanks

[Chelsea Rorec]

11 hours ago, Sir Myshkin said:

No, unfortunately. Bopper did the digging for the math, and I shared in a ton of testing work for how the procs actually result in-game currently. You can get the formulas here. There is a probability maximum of 90%, minimum of 5% for all procs, and their PPM is what is used to determine that probability. Regrettably the ParagonWiki is not fully accurate, and has not been updated since Homecoming. It has the general idea, but not the full truth of it. The formulas that Bopper put together are confirmed from Homecoming Dev's for accuracy, extracted from source code, and verified through excessive testing.

 

I'm speaking from verified testing, in conjunction with other players who have logged the actual damage being dealt, and looked for the proc triggers. They're not occurring as much as you might think they are. I'm not saying they don't, just that it is far less than you might think they are, or would want them to actual do. When you drop that patch, those procs are only getting a trigger chance once at drop, and once every following 10/s. For FR, that's only two prompts. The damage you're experiencing is main-line just FR taking advantage of its own -Res effect. If you truly believe you're getting more, I'd encourage you to watch the combat logs (both pet damage and your damage), and go out and drop FR a dozen times and look at the proc triggers in the combat logs. Widen the window, there's going to be a lot of 1's.

 

When you say VC, or you referring to Volcanic Gasses? As that power actually does work accordingly, and its obsessively large recharge allows you to get away with maximizing enhancement and still getting a high probability.

 

Like I said, take a stronger look at the other build, I'm not changing the world or trying to destroy yours, just sharing what is confirmed, and with a build that is proven to work, and proven to be superior in performance. I'm not saying you should go off and respec right now, but there is significant impact in what's there that can help you.

 

Edited to add this:

I didn't see that an entire second page went into overflow, but I think you need read these two threads: Controller Proc Thread and Defender Proc Thread to see where things stand right now. I know you commented in one of them, but I think you may have passed over the point of the topic, and what was being tested.

right i've been testing a little and can see freezing rain either proc at the start (250 a few times) or during  (a few 500+).

Right now i do not know how to open any combat/damage windows and SNR is being bleh so yeah help on any combat logs with damage numbers would be awesome.

[Chelsea Rorec]

Quote

2019-09-07 15:25:11 You activated the Freezing Rain power.
2019-09-07 15:25:11 Raserei Elite Unteroffizier has defeated Vortex Elite Assault
2019-09-07 15:25:12 HIT Anya Stormwind! Your Freezing Rain power is autohit.
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Anya Stormwind HITS you! Freezing Rain power was autohit.
2019-09-07 15:25:12 You call forth a Freezing Rain!
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  HIT Nacht Elite Grenade! Your FreezingRain power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 78.46.
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  HIT Nebel Ubermenschen Rifle! Your FreezingRain power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 30.00.
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  HIT Raserei Elite Unteroffizier! Your FreezingRain power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 13.35.
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  HIT Raserei Elite Grenade! Your FreezingRain power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 1.26.
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  HIT Nebel Ubermenschen Rocket! Your FreezingRain power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 61.06.
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Nebel Ubermenschen Rocket for 1.14 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  You blast Nebel Ubermenschen Rocket for 246.82 points of bonus energy damage!
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  You hit Nebel Ubermenschen Rocket for 246.82 points of bonus Lethal damage!
2019-09-07 15:25:12 You have defeated Nebel Ubermenschen Rocket
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Nebel Ubermenschen Rifle for 1.14 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  You blast Nebel Ubermenschen Rifle for 246.82 points of bonus energy damage!
2019-09-07 15:25:12 You have defeated Nebel Ubermenschen Rifle
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Nacht Elite Grenade for 1.14 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  You blast Nacht Elite Grenade for 246.82 points of bonus energy damage!
2019-09-07 15:25:12 You have defeated Nacht Elite Grenade
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 1.14 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 1.14 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  You hit Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 246.82 points of bonus Lethal damage!
2019-09-07 15:25:12 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:13 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:13 Freezing Rain:  MISSED Raserei Elite Unteroffizier!! Your FreezingRain power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 96.59.
2019-09-07 15:25:13 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:13 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:13 Hasten is recharged.
2019-09-07 15:25:13 You activated the Hasten power.
2019-09-07 15:25:13 Your Hasten has increased your rate of attack.
2019-09-07 15:25:13 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:14 Freezing Rain:  MISSED Raserei Elite Unteroffizier!! Your FreezingRain power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 95.26.
2019-09-07 15:25:14 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:14 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:14 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:14 Freezing Rain:  MISSED Raserei Elite Unteroffizier!! Your FreezingRain power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 97.81.
2019-09-07 15:25:14 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:15 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:15 Freezing Rain:  MISSED Raserei Elite Unteroffizier!! Your FreezingRain power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 97.38.
2019-09-07 15:25:15 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:15 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:15 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:16 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:16 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:16 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:16 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:16 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:16 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:17 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:17 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:17 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:17 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:17 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:17 Freezing Rain:  MISSED Raserei Elite Grenade!! Your FreezingRain power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 98.70.
2019-09-07 15:25:17 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:17 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:17 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:17 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:17 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:17 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:18 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:18 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:18 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:18 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:18 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:18 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:18 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:18 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:18 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:18 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:19 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:19 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:19 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:19 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:19 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:19 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:19 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:20 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:20 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:20 Freezing Rain:  MISSED Raserei Elite Unteroffizier!! Your FreezingRain power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 98.60.
2019-09-07 15:25:20 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:20 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:20 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:20 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:20 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:20 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:20 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:20 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:21 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:21 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:21 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:21 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:21 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:21 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:21 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:21 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:21 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:22 Freezing Rain:  MISSED Raserei Elite Unteroffizier!! Your FreezingRain power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 99.06.
2019-09-07 15:25:22 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:22 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:22 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:22 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:22 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Grenade for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:22 Freezing Rain:  You hit Raserei Elite Grenade for 505.99 points of bonus Lethal damage!
2019-09-07 15:25:22 Freezing Rain:  Your target takes 505.99 points of bonus smashing damage!
2019-09-07 15:25:22 You have defeated Raserei Elite Grenade
2019-09-07 15:25:22 Freezing Rain:  Your FreezingRain hits Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 2.34 points of Cold damage.
2019-09-07 15:25:22 Freezing Rain:  You hit Raserei Elite Unteroffizier for 505.99 points of bonus Lethal damage!
2019-09-07 15:25:22 Freezing Rain:  Your target takes 505.99 points of bonus smashing damage!
2019-09-07 15:25:22 You have defeated Raserei Elite Unteroffizier

That proc'ed a few times unless i'm wrong.

1911.9 damage.

Edited September 7, 2019 by Chelsea Rorec

[Bopper]

1 hour ago, Chelsea Rorec said:

I'm confused then.

Your fomula says MRT = BaseRecharge / ( 1 + RechargeBoost_from_Enhancements_and_Alpha / 100 )

Also what is cast time in

Probability to Proc = PPM * (MRT+ CastTime) / (60 * AreaMod)

Is that the animation time ?

Thanks

MRT is modified recharge time, which is how long it would take to recharge the power based on the recharge reduction slotted into the power. This recharge reduction includes alpha incarnates as those act as global enhancements for your powers. Basically, it is the final recharge reduction after factoring in enhancement diversification.

 

So let's do an example. Let's say you have a power that has a base recharge of 20 seconds, and you have one level 50 IO recharge slotted into it (42.4%) and you have Spiritual Alpha equipped (33%). Your MRT would be:

 

MRT = 20 / (1 + 0.424 + 0.33) =  11.4 seconds

 

Notice, this calculation does not factor in global recharge, so recharge boosts from powers like hasten or fulcrum shift do not factor in, neither do recharge boosts from set bonuses (like a LotG, or a 5 slotted purple set).

 

CastTime is animation time. 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Bopper

[Chelsea Rorec]

Quicksand is also procing

2019-09-07 15:50:33 Quicksand:  HIT Capo Gunner! Your Quicksand power is autohit.
2019-09-07 15:50:33 Quicksand:  HIT Button Man Buckshot! Your Quicksand power is autohit.
2019-09-07 15:50:33 Quicksand:  Your target takes 246.82 points of bonus smashing damage!
2019-09-07 15:50:33 Quicksand:  Your target takes 246.82 points of bonus smashing damage!
2019-09-07 15:50:33 You have defeated Button Man Buckshot

[Chelsea Rorec]

19 minutes ago, Bopper said:

MRT is modified recharge time, which is how long it would take to recharge the power based on the recharge reduction slotted into the power. This recharge reduction includes alpha incarnates as those act as global enhancements for your powers. Basically, it is the final recharge reduction after factoring in enhancement diversification.

 

So let's do an example. Let's say you have a power that has a base recharge of 20 seconds, and you have one level 50 IO recharge slotted into it (42.4%) and you have Spiritual Alpha equipped (33%). Your MRT would be:

 

MRT = 20 / (1 + 0.424 + 0.33) =  11.4 seconds

 

Notice, this calculation does not factor in global recharge, so recharge boosts from powers like hasten or fulcrum shift do not factor in, neither do recharge boosts from set bonuses (like a LotG, or a 5 slotted purple set).

 

CastTime is animation time. 

Ah

Thanks for the explantion Bopper.

 

[Chelsea Rorec]

So far i'm seeing freezing rain proc at the start or during the power.

Quicksand is procing (seen it proc twice during the length of its power with just 1 proc)

Volcanic gases is procing like a monster.

Earth Quake is the picky one. It is procing during it's life tho.(and is called ice slick)

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Chelsea Rorec

[Bopper]

20 minutes ago, Chelsea Rorec said:

So far i'm seeing freezing rain proc at the start or during the power.

Quicksand is procing (seen it proc twice during the length of its power with just 1 proc)

Volcanic gases is procing like a monster.

Earth Quake is the picky one. It is procing during it's life tho.(and is called ice slick)

 

Can you provide specific numbers? Tell me how many enemies were hit at each 10 second interval (tough to control, I know). How many times did you cast the power, were they stacked?

 

Basically, is the performance lining up similar to the ppm formulas?

[Chelsea Rorec]

i can do some more tests and post logs if you wish.

Basicly the quicksand tests were against 2-3 Npc's

1 application of quicksand was used.

Edited September 7, 2019 by Chelsea Rorec

[Bopper]

2 minutes ago, Chelsea Rorec said:

i can do some more tests and post logs if you wish.

Sure, that could work. I recommend posting your logs inside a Spoiler window, so it doesn't fill up the post too much. For example

this is a spoiler window

 

As for the test, dont stack any powers. Just let it ride out for the entirety of its duration, then cast again. Try to keep track of the number of enemies that stayed inside the radius. 

 

Thanks.

[Chelsea Rorec]

will do.

[Chelsea Rorec]

Spoiler

2019-09-07 16:50:22 You turn the ground into Quicksand!
2019-09-07 16:50:22 Quicksand:  HIT Elite Security Agent! Your Quicksand power is autohit.
2019-09-07 16:50:22 Quicksand:  Your target takes 183.35 points of bonus smashing damage!
2019-09-07 16:50:22 [NPC] Elite Security Agent: Neutralize the hero threat!
2019-09-07 16:50:23 Mob Specialist MISSES! Submachine Gun power had a 5.00% chance to hit, but rolled a 29.31.
2019-09-07 16:50:24 Riot Guard MISSES! Automatic Pistol power had a 5.00% chance to hit, but rolled a 22.50.
2019-09-07 16:50:24 Special Agent Infiltrator HITS you! Automatic Pistol power had a 5.75% chance to hit and rolled a 5.60.
2019-09-07 16:50:24 Riot Guard MISSES! Automatic Pistol power had a 5.00% chance to hit, but rolled a 58.45.
2019-09-07 16:50:24 Special Agent Infiltrator shoots you for 0.62 points of damage!
2019-09-07 16:50:25 Elite Security Agent HITS you! Adv Assault Rifle power had a 6.90% chance to hit and rolled a 5.10.
2019-09-07 16:50:25 Elite Security Agent rattles you with his Adv Assault Rifle for 0.98 points of lethal damage and slightly lowers your defense!
2019-09-07 16:50:27 Special Agent Infiltrator MISSES! Crane Kick power had a 6.33% chance to hit, but rolled a 76.87.
2019-09-07 16:50:32 Quicksand:  Your target takes 183.35 points of bonus smashing damage!

Proc once placed and proced again.

1 application of quicksand Vs 5 crey

Looks to be 10 secs apart

Quicksand 1 recharge 1 impeaded swiftness proc no Incarnate.

Edited September 7, 2019 by Chelsea Rorec

[Chelsea Rorec]

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2019-09-07 17:00:53 You turn the ground into Quicksand!

2019-09-07 17:01:11 Quicksand is recharged.
2019-09-07 17:01:24 Quicksand:  Your target takes 137.51 points of bonus smashing damage!
2019-09-07 17:01:25 Tank Smasher MISSES! Tank Grenade power had a 6.50% chance to hit, but rolled a 58.49.
2019-09-07 17:01:33 Quicksand:  Your target takes 137.51 points of bonus smashing damage!
2019-09-07 17:01:43 Tank Smasher MISSES! Tank Grenade power had a 6.50% chance to hit, but rolled a 24.22.

1 Quicksand V 1 Tank Smasher proc twice.

Quicksand 1 recharge 1 impeaded swiftness proc

Edited September 7, 2019 by Chelsea Rorec

[Bopper]

@Chelsea Rorec can you edit your posts and add in how each power was slotted (procs and regular enhancements), and also what incarnate alpha is slotted? I want to do my due diligence when looking over your logs.

[Chelsea Rorec]

2 minutes ago, Bopper said:

@Chelsea Rorec can you edit your posts and add in how each power was slotted (procs and regular enhancements), and also what incarnate alpha is slotted? I want to do my due diligence when looking over your logs.

Quicksand is 1 recharge 1 Impeaded swiftness proc lvl 30.

My toon has no Incarnate slots and is lvl 46

And if i can help out anymore i would be only glad to.

Edited September 7, 2019 by Chelsea Rorec

[Bopper]

23 minutes ago, Chelsea Rorec said:

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2019-09-07 16:50:22 You turn the ground into Quicksand!
2019-09-07 16:50:22 Quicksand:  HIT Elite Security Agent! Your Quicksand power is autohit.
2019-09-07 16:50:22 Quicksand:  Your target takes 183.35 points of bonus smashing damage!
2019-09-07 16:50:22 [NPC] Elite Security Agent: Neutralize the hero threat!
2019-09-07 16:50:23 Mob Specialist MISSES! Submachine Gun power had a 5.00% chance to hit, but rolled a 29.31.
2019-09-07 16:50:24 Riot Guard MISSES! Automatic Pistol power had a 5.00% chance to hit, but rolled a 22.50.
2019-09-07 16:50:24 Special Agent Infiltrator HITS you! Automatic Pistol power had a 5.75% chance to hit and rolled a 5.60.
2019-09-07 16:50:24 Riot Guard MISSES! Automatic Pistol power had a 5.00% chance to hit, but rolled a 58.45.
2019-09-07 16:50:24 Special Agent Infiltrator shoots you for 0.62 points of damage!
2019-09-07 16:50:25 Elite Security Agent HITS you! Adv Assault Rifle power had a 6.90% chance to hit and rolled a 5.10.
2019-09-07 16:50:25 Elite Security Agent rattles you with his Adv Assault Rifle for 0.98 points of lethal damage and slightly lowers your defense!
2019-09-07 16:50:27 Special Agent Infiltrator MISSES! Crane Kick power had a 6.33% chance to hit, but rolled a 76.87.
2019-09-07 16:50:32 Quicksand:  Your target takes 183.35 points of bonus smashing damage!

Proc once placed and proced again.

1 application of quicksand Vs 5 crey

Looks to be 10 secs apart

I only see 10 seconds of log. Quicksand I believe last for 45 seconds.