Rudra

Place glass floor tiles at the bottom of the water tile, or use a collision wall (which I haven't tried but should work) in the water tile, and you can swim across large surfaces. You just can't dive, because the water tiles don't layer for effect and have no bottom themselves. (I have a lake in one base I'd like to make possible for players to swim in, but oh well.)

That doesn't look like the same map I'm used to going underwater on. (No large chunks of debris that fails to keep you from getting your feet under the water tile, and thus your head underwater, disabling the swimming animation.) Thanks for the screenshot though.

I seem angry? I wonder why. Someone tells you that you aren't feeling the way you do and see how you react. I'm in the wrong? On what? For daring to make a poll? For trying to cleave out those that don't oppose but also don't support? Please. This poll and the thread preceding it didn't ask for anything. It didn't recommend anything. It had no suggestions. But by all means, I'm ranting and whining to get something that I am not even asking for. Sure. No, what I am feeling in this... conversation... is rage that someone would quote only part of what I say multiple times while telling me I am wrong, while completely ignoring the statement that is part of said quote and insisting that the ignored part is something I need to be aware of and accept as if I haven't. You have cherry picked my comment over and over and over on this thread without ever once acknowledging that I already said, in the quote you like to cite, that the devs are not out to get me (or anyone else for that matter). What am I wrong on? My suggestion? I didn't make one. Feel free to show me anywhere on this thread or the "Thanks for the gift, can i give it back" thread where I actually make a suggestion. For my justification for said suggestion? I didn't make one because I didn't make a suggestion. Feel free to show me the suggestion. For making a poll as asked? Okay, you got me. If I was so against making a poll, I shouldn't have. For trying to break out where people stand on the poll? No, that isn't wrong. That is as wrong as including "No response", "Neither yes or no", or anything else of that nature. That the poll is slanted? I don't see it slanted. I see a spot where everyone that stands in opposition to the option, that isn't even defined or suggested, has a place to say they oppose it, where those that would like it can say they would like it, where those that don't care either way can say they don't care either way, and those that don't oppose but don't support either also have a place to have their say. What are you so threatened by in this poll? The opposition votes are more numerous than the support votes. What are you so upset about in this thread or the previous one? I didn't ask for patrol xp to go die in a hole, have a means of being dumped, or have a means of being turned off. In fact, I specifically stated that was avoiding making such a suggestion. And if the question hadn't been posed yet again as to why I don't like patrol xp? The only comments I would have been making on this thread were reminders the poll was here so it stayed visible through the weekend. So what am I wrong about? Tell me. (Edit: If anything, the poll is biased in your favor. Why? Because every vote not in support is grouped into one category so that even if a vote would be "yes, I am opposed, but...", it is still only flagged as "yes". Whereas the nos? Are broken up into "no, I am not against and would actually like to see" and "no, I am not against but neither would I use it". So you and @Ghost should actually be happy with the poll because it is far easier for the "I am opposed" votes to carry weight for not being broken up into different possible "yes" responses. Otherwise the vote tally would be 16-29 instead of 16-9.)

There are other exits as far as I know. That is just the one I found and remember. (Edit: Also, those with super jump should be able to jump in or out through that point fairly easily. Teleporters can teleport out that way, and everyone can just drop into the base that way. Those with no travels though? There are supposed to be multiple entrances/exits for the Vanguard base now, but I haven't gone looking for them.)

Correct. What we see as swimming is just a different animation for running. Technically, yes, the basic physics are already there, it is just the flight mechanics. Where you run into problems is the surface to air interface. Where is this? I'd like to try it. So far I've only found one spot on a single map where you can go underwater, but you lose the swimming animation when you get to the bottom of that space and run normally until you get high enough to be affected by the water tile again.

and neither do you. I said doubtful regarding Devs plotting against you. Honestly... imagine them in a room ..."Ok...how can we screw with Rudra." That was my point. Period. You know that line you like to cite in this thread? The one you are misrepresenting? Well, here it is: You see that first part? The part you like to not include in your citation? Here, I'll point it out to you. Again. While I know it isn't the devs intent? Does that say I think the devs are plotting against me? No. Does it say I think the devs added this change to upset me? No. Does it say anywhere that I think the devs made this change for me for absolutely any reason at all? No. So your point is to tell me what I already know and stated? Edit: And the means of you doing so is by blatantly ignoring that I already acknowledged and stated it prior to stating how it feels to me? And then by focusing on how I feel and then telling me you doubt it, while simultaneously ignoring the part of my comment that already made your point for you because you think I am unaware and need to be instructed on such?

The same as who the hell are you. You have absolutely no right, none whatsofucking ever, to tell anyone that what they feel is doubtful. You do not get to tell me how I feel or what I feel or what I should feel or absolutely anything at fucking all about my goddamned feelings. You want to disagree with something I request? By all means. Let's hear your take on my suggestion. You want to disagree with a comment I post? That's your right, go right ahead. But you absolutely don't get to fucking tell me how i feel about a gaddamned thing! Yet.... here we are. Include the rest of the quote. Edit: I'm taking a break from this thread for a while. Poll still up. Vote however you want on it.

No. There are now more ways to get into the RWZ instead of just the portal. For instance, if you go through the now open gate behind the vendor next to Serpent Drummer, you can fly up and out of the base.

That's because there isn't a way. MM pets can't be customized. Though pet customization has been requested.

How is it leading someone to a wanted answer? I even start with the option to oppose it. And I provide an out for those that neither support nor oppose it. And to break out those that may not support but aren't bothered should it be implemented, there is even a category response for them. So only answers 1 and 2 are opposed to each other. (So as far as the poll currently stands, there are 14 against and 8 in favor. Answer 3 isn't an in favor of the option answer, it is an "I don't oppose it" answer. And answer 4 is none of the above.) Yes, there are things in the forums I oppose. Typically changes that would be forced on others to suit someone else's play style. There are things I dismiss. Because to the best of my knowledge, they can't be done. Anything else? If I don't like it, I say so, but I try to not step on it. And when I wind up arguing over it? It is because like right now, I am defending my point of view. As I have said on multiple threads, we can acknowledge a difference of opinion. When someone tells me I am wrong though? That isn't just a difference of opinion. That is something to be argued. While we can argue about whether or not a game element I don't want to experience is being forced down my throat or not, who the hell are you to say if something I feel is doubtful? Even that statement you are quoting is preceded by "While I know that it is not the devs' intent". After my, I think it was the Patrol Dump thread, I stated that I was not going to make any further requests to be able to disable patrol xp. And I have kept to my word. The thread that preceded this was a complaint about explore badges now awarding patrol xp instead of regular xp like they used to, which I could turn off to not get. I even specifically stated in the OP of that thread that I was not asking for anything. Not a reversion of the explore badge awards. Not a patrol xp turn off or dump option. Nothing at all. It was feedback on a change that even others have been arguing was a surprise change that wasn't given any feedback. And the discussion that arose from that led to this poll. A poll that I was against making because I knew it would go down this line and I didn't want to deal with it, but that I made anyway to prove a point. If the devs chime in and say "Patrol xp will not be given an option of being disabled.", it wouldn't change anything because I already know they aren't going to give us the option to disable it. That was not the purpose of the "Thanks for the gift, can I give it back thread". That is not the purpose of this poll. This poll isn't going to change anything, and I stated as much on the thread that led to this poll's creation.

To the best of my knowledge, PDP has never had a villain side entrance. Because they had Pocket D access. https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Paragon_Dance_Party

It's not an argument, just a suggestion. We're talking about a videogame. When two sides discuss or debate something from opposite (or even just different) points of view, those statements are called arguments. Not to be confused with the yelling match many think of when someone says argument. (Though they can also devolve into yelling matches.)

I'm not the only one that wants to be able to disable patrol xp. The threads I linked show that. This poll shows that. So your 3rd paragraph is proven wrong.

The explanation is in the threads. All of the threads I linked. I've given my reasons ad nauseam. Since you are unwilling to read said threads and insist I haven't given reasons though? I hate patrol xp. Always have. It is an unearned reward that accelerates your leveling. It is an incentive to not play the game. I understand why it exists, but that doesn't change the fact that I hate it beyond mere words' ability to convey. That it was added is fine. That players can't choose to not get it is not. And you can't get rid of it. All you can do is use it to level or pay off debt. And I personally am sick and tired of spending my game time committing suicide to get rid of it before I start playing. We can choose to not get badges. We can choose to not get powers. We can choose to not get xp. We can even choose to not get inf'. We can't choose to not get patrol xp though. No, patrol xp is shoved down our throats with a fucking fire hose with a 'you want this, no matter what you say, what you really mean is you want this' mentality.

Just read those. I'm really tired of repeating myself. Especially since the thread that led to this poll wasn't even a suggestion in the first place.

If the Leviathan awakens, pretty much everyone dies.

I'd like to take credit for that suggested option, but it wasn't me that originated it.

The question can be asked as "are you in favor" or "are you opposed". (Edit: Hells, the question could have been asked as "where do you stand on such an option".) The only presuppositions involved are your own. There is no statement that such an option exists. There is no statement that such an option is pending. There is no statement that such an option is even being talked about. There isn't even an implication for any of the above. It is simply a question of whether a respondent is opposed to such an option. Just as if I had written the question of whether a respondent was in favor of such an option. You're reading too much into it. Edit again: For that matter, no matter how I wrote the question, someone could think there was a presupposition of such an option pending or being talked about if they want. Question asks if respondents are in favor? Then maybe it is being discussed and the poll is to try and cement support for it. Question is a neutral where do the respondents stand? Then maybe it is being talked about and support for it is being gauged, or maybe it is pending and how players may react to it is being gauged, or maybe it already exists and the poll is to see if the players even know it is there. So my advice? You're reading too much into it, and just take the question as a question.

What is missing? I'll add it. It can be done either way. The question does not presuppose anything is being added, is being talked about being added, or already exists. All it asks is if the respondents are against such an option or not. I was asked to make a poll to see how players felt about the option to be able to turn off patrol xp. So I did. (Edit: Nor does it presuppose the majority is in favor of such an option. If anything, my presupposition going into this poll is most would be indifferent, neither for nor against.) (Edit again: Which is why I made choices 3 and 4.)

Still time for people to vote.

Their geometries would have to be modified, not necessarily recreated. Just like the male only and female only costume options players are asking for. Edit: And an OP can ask for anything while still allowing us to try to provide what we feel are better options. Edit again: We're arguing in circles and today of all days is a day I want to not get embroiled in an argument or debate. So I'm tapping out.

And I'm trying to find a solution where players can have their characters have a civilian appearance that fits their character. Yes, they will have to wait longer, and yes it will take more work, but player's having control of what their characters look like seems the much better option to me. Especially since it will avoid adding an I have no idea how large a number but much larger than most enemy factions as costume slots that may not even see much use but will make the Benevolabs menu massively cumbersome to sort through. Edit: And until then, we players have probably as much variety in options to make civilian appearances for our characters right now using the costume creator as we would get from adding all the civilian models to Benevolabs. Maybe even more variety in options.

The Benevolabs holo-devices draw from EXISTING NPC models. So if they don't already exist, you are SOL. So you are fine with a massive expansion of the Benevolabs menu just for NPC civilians and against players being able to make their own civilians using civilian outfit options modified to work on our character models?

Those NPC models are already there. You wouldn't need to create anything new. All you'd need to do is repoint the representation of the player's model to the NPC one that corresponds with the holo-device they had equipped.

And given the wide variety of things we both know players go for as individuals for their specific characters, how much should we place on the devs to make and store on the servers to make sure we get the correct combination we want? Just how big should the game's server side data files get before it becomes too much? When instead it can be offloaded to us players to make what we want in whatever combination we want since that doesn't require as much server space since our character files only refer to the model files and aren't stored as complete characters with their own models on the servers? Edit: For that matter, how big a menu do you want players paging through of NPC civilians to get what they actually want before they scream in frustration?