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Yeah, It'd need to be dialed back a bit but if you're going for the idea that Regen is suppose to be the out absorb/regen the damage to stay in the fight then i think working it around the idea that IH is directly working behind your absorption to keep you going when your absorb is down then it could make for a cool unique mix. plus the dream could be real again, IH is a toggle lol

I like your general changes, I feel like regen would need a little more but It's hard to really change it up without making it too much or too little. I really like the self rez change and the new toggle. Edit: If you re-work IH so it works as a toggle, I think Regen could be pretty cool.

Rules? Edit: nvm i see what you mean

Like it or not, being only good at Single Target isn't a viable strategy for modern City of Heroes. AoE is front and center and a large part of the game. If the set has no AoE strength whatsoever it's going to under preform. Only reverting ET -will not fix the issue- of whirling hands and stun being bad. If you want to argue they should revert ET and increase whirling hands damage to supplement it's lack of additional cones/aoe then sure but just blindly going "muh pre-nerf EMs" Isn't gonna fix anything. It's also not -for me- it's for everyone because spoilers, even if you enjoy it and like it as is you'll still be under preforming compared to the other sets.

Depends on the AT but the disorient on lightning clap is pretty intense and out paces all of EM by itself due to IO's. edit: For clarification i mean due to IO sets, it's recharge/stun mag/accuracy is really high and reliably stuns a lot of foes immediately around you. I agree honestly, I could live -without- an ET animation revert and just Stun being AoE and whirling getting an increase to not be dog. However, I think EF is more fun and would like to see it more 🙂

Calling it the -main- problem was probably a stretch, but it's apart of the main problem. Whirling hands is not skipped no. (I skip stun) and im offended you would suggest such sir. GOOD DAY. jk Electric Melee doesn't come close to EM's ST ability nor should it. What it absolutely demolishes it in, is it's ability to do disorient (EM's primary utility) AoE, with the added benefit of ST not being too shabby. It also does -end +end sleep knockback/up. Electric Melee trades strong ST for superior everything else while also having good ST. That is the reason i think a fault of EM is utility and aoe. The same set of comparisons can be done with Rad Melee and Kinetic melee. (We use these three because they also do energy damage. One big energy family)

Well it's a funny story actually. You see i was an Archery but i swapped to Ice. When i did so, my brain for some reason kept the mentality of "Oh my thing recharges faster" but that wasn't actually the case and until the guy mentioned it, I forgot entirely that it was no longer the case for my nuke. Crazy right? I'm not really a blaster guy in the first place.

I wasn't trying to come at you or anything, I just wanted you to see the suggestion for the suggestion not any scenarios that haven't happened or weren't mentioned is all. Cause you can pretty much run wild with what if's about most changes and it can muddy things up.

Energy melee use to hit like a train and doesn't anymore? >_>;

The post that made this register as a "Hot topic" was a train crashing. What a phenomenal metaphor for the suggestion board.

That is true, the badge is the extra. I don't see the harm in adding reward for those challenges tho outside of a badge

They shouldn't be, It'd been too long and the badge is too established imo Maybe when they first came out i could see that being a decision that should have been made.

You're increasing it's burst damage sure, on a single target. While this could be a first-step in a fix that doesn't involve a mechanic it wouldn't / shouldn't be the final step. Undoing the nerf does not fix the under-preforming issue. It's still a terrible set for AoE , a terrible utility set, and just in general a complete underwhelming set when compared to the other choices. Stun still sucks, whirling hands still sucks, it's side-mechanic of % stun still sucks. It'll still suck. On a side note, I'm basically done arguing about the mechanic not existing previously and those who don't want it changed. To me, that is no longer something -worth- arguing about as it's a personal flavor opinion. If you have issue with the specifics of the mechanic or alternative routes involving buffs/etc I'm game to talk.

Yeah, it might have the side effect of creating another TF recruitment headache like speed runs. Still, as long as its not like 30 extra merits and instead something minor like 5 it shouldn't be too bad.

I think that's general fear mongering for a problem that doesn't exist. If i could, that is a change i would make because i play exclusively on +4/x8. However, even being someone who does so, I wouldn't ever want to force or take away from someone who doesn't want to play that difficulty. I also believe there is a much higher player count who doesn't want/do +4 then there is who do. If this suggestion turns into what you said, I could see you saying dismissing it but that still isn't what he suggested. He only suggested adding extra Merits for Master Of challenge, not decreasing any rewards. That was you and only you. Basically what im saying is, You're judging his suggestion as a "no" for a change nobody was asking to be made. What are your thoughts on increasing merit rewards for Master of challenge modes and nothing else / no decreases anywhere else?

because at this point, it's pretty common place that the current rewards are what they are. If you lowered them just because some people didn't enjoy +4 there would be a lot of outrage. Genuinely, I'd be for such a change but you shouldn't push it on people only give motivation to further the challenge with the pre-set increases beyond the actual difficulty scale. So your example of the Oro challenges would also be cool.

I can see that, Ice Storm slows but it's not a great trade off for damage. Oh hmm, i thought it was higher. I'm not a blaster guy, a bit of a melee bum. I just love my ice blaster specifically 😄

Well as i said previously, My Blizzard has a recharge time of 33 seconds and can one shot entire +4/x8 groups aside from bosses, which are easily killed with the ST attacks. I think my only hang up on Ice Blast is probably Bitter Freeze Rays animation is a bit long. Which is good enough for me, not that im opposed to people thinking its underpowered and need buffs 😄 something i love getting buffs is cool with me man.

It's...in the S tier? am i missing something S tier is good

They re-posted the same opinion so that the current conversation re-saw their already stated opinion doubling down on mechanics being bad. Inviting pro-mechanics people to engage them to understand/discuss why they don't like them. Just stop dude.

I'll take your word on it, but not with Blizzard. 1 power killing a +4/x8 group isn't bad, it's not instant like inferno but it doesn't need to be, since i can use blizzard in every group but inferno is about every other group. Granted. Fire doesn't need inferno to kill a group about as fast as blizzard.

With IO's you can get blizzard so low on recharge you can use it literally every mob. Sure it doesn't kill the mob in 2-3 seconds, but it does it in like 10 seconds. Still pretty quick, especially since I'm talking +4 not even level. Also, I don't think Fire out does every set in ST but it certainly isn't bad at it.

im responding just to like a post twice

So what you're saying is, people can tell me my opinion is wrong and bad but i cannot reply in defense of it because "Thats their opinion"? I've never once said your opinion is bad and you should feel bad, I have only ever defended my position or commented on someones concern about my position. I've even welcomed change in my own opinion when presented with a strong counter arguement of why they wouldn't like it, i commented exactly "You make a strong point , i can understand that". If you don't like people opposing your opinion or don't want to engage someone in their opinion, don't quote or comment on it. I've also said many times I was open to any and all changes to be tried and discussed.

He didn't suggest any of that. He just said if you complete the requirements for master you just get a small addition of merits. It's a pretty simple and straight forward suggestion At your speed, should you even earn master outside of +4/x8? questions nobody has ever cared to ask.