How to make Phantom Army perma? possible?

[Rebel230]

Is it possible, or close at least?

[Burnt Toast]

It's absolutely possible, but it also requires a lot of recharge bonuses that can be costly.

[Mr. Vee]

It was possible, though very difficult, before the intro of incarnate stuff and ATOs and new sets. I'd imagine it's still difficult but slightly less so. And it's well worth it.

[Adeon Hawkwood]

You need a total of 300% recharge to do it permanent. Breaking it down that is:

95% in the power itself

70% from Hasten

135% from other sources (IOs and Incarnate powers mostly)

[Sovera]

Chrono Shift from Time knocks another 50% off that.

[FaintCinder]

I have it perma on my Ill/Time. Time it's a lot easier to do because of Chrono Shift (which is also perma), obviously. Still possible with Accelerated Metabolism or Siphon Speed, but not as easy or reliable. Using Spiritual or Agility (either works really) for your Alpha is always a big big help. 

[Zeraphia]

On 5/22/2019 at 7:42 PM, Adeon Hawkwood said:

You need a total of 300% recharge to do it permanent. Breaking it down that is:

95% in the power itself

70% from Hasten

135% from other sources (IOs and Incarnate powers mostly)

Ways to get these numbers:

5x LotG 7.5% for a total of 37.5% (weave, maneuvers, superior invs, combo of 2 of the 3: group invs/CJ/hover)
5x 10% recharge bonuses of 50% (confuse, a hit, a mez, another mez, possibly another mez/hit)

Take Agility this becomes much more achievable usually taking about a 20% recharge burden off of you
135%-107.5% = 27.5%

There are a variety of ways to achieve the rest of the recharge from IO slotting, if you have anything like Chrono Shift or Accelerated Metabolism, you're officially done.

[Call Me Awesome]

I had a perma-PA Ill/Rad back on Live, the Radiation secondary is a huge help with the recharge bonus in Accelerated Metabolism.  As Adeon mentioned you'll need to find about 205% in recharge bonuses after slotting PA to the ED cap recharge.  Hasten is worth 70%, AM is worth 30% leaving 105% from IO bonuses.  Luck of the Gambler +7.5% recharge is another chunk leaving you to find 67.5% in other IO bonuses.  Doable, but it will get expensive.  Back on Live a Perma-PA Ill/Rad cost around a billion inf; an Illusionist with a secondary that didn't provide +recharge could jack that price up almost double.  The good news is IO prices are MUCH better here and merits are much easier to come by so it'll cost you far less than it used to.

 

Or you can get a buddy to toss Speed Boost on you, or team with another Radiation character so you'll have two AM's (60% recharge there).  If you're running a static team with a few friends it's MUCH easier.

 

Edit

Hmm, just realized this was a necro post.  Well, I assume the OP has gotten everything squared away by now.

Edited February 18, 2020 by Call Me Awesome

[Nayeh]

It might be overkill because I'm a nub at building and just threw things together over time. I'm running an Illusion/Darkness Controller I absolutely adore playing with permanent Phantom Army and amazing Support/CC potential.

 

Global Bonuses:

• 70% Hasten
• 10% (x4) Ultimate Improved Recharge Time Bonus (Apocalypse, Unbreakable Constraint, Absolute Amazement, Coercive Persuasion)
• 8.75% Gargantuan Improved Recharge Time Bonus (Will of the Controller)
• 5.0% Moderate Improved Recharge Time Bonus (Dampened Spirits)
• 7.50% (x4) Luck of the Gambler

Phantom Army

• 53% Invention: Recharge Reduction +5
• 44.5% Invention: Recharge Reduction +1
• 42.4% Invention: Recharge Reduction +0
• 26.5% Soulbound Allegiance

[Psyonico]

Just for fun, I did it on my Illusion/Dark controller, it requires at least T3 of Spiritual, but it is possible

 

Hero Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.7
https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designer

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Master-Illusionist: Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Illusion Control
Secondary Power Set: Darkness Affinity
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Teleportation
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Spectral Wounds -- Dcm-Acc/Dmg(A), Dcm-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Dcm-Dmg/Rchg(15), Dcm-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Dcm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34)
Level 1: Twilight Grasp -- TchoftheN-Acc/Heal(A), TchoftheN-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(5), TchoftheN-Heal(9)
Level 2: Blind -- UnbCns-Hold(A), UnbCns-Hold/Rchg(3), UnbCns-Acc/Hold/Rchg(7), UnbCns-Acc/Rchg(15), UnbCns-EndRdx/Hold(25), Lck-%Hold(34)
Level 4: Deceive -- CrcPrs-Conf(A), CrcPrs-Conf/Rchg(5), CrcPrs-Acc/Conf/Rchg(25), CrcPrs-Acc/Rchg(34), CrcPrs-Conf/EndRdx(40)
Level 6: Darkest Night -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(A), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(7), DarWtcDsp-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(13), DarWtcDsp-Rchg/EndRdx(50)
Level 8: Tar Patch -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(9)
Level 10: Howling Twilight -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 14: Fly -- Frb-Stlth(A)
Level 16: Shadow Fall -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(17), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(43)
Level 18: Phantom Army -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(19), ExpRnf-Acc/Rchg(19), ExpRnf-Dmg/EndRdx(31), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), ExpRnf-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(31)
Level 20: Flash -- SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear(A), SprWiloft-Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/Rchg(21), SprWiloft-EndRdx/Rchg(21), SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx(37), SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx/Rchg(37), SprWiloft-Rchg/Dmg%(37)
Level 22: Fade -- RedFrt-Def/Rchg(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg(23), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(23), Srn-Def/Rchg(43)
Level 24: Recall Friend -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 26: Spectral Terror -- GlmoftheA-Acc/Rchg(A), GlmoftheA-Acc/Fear/Rchg(27), GlmoftheA-Fear/Rng(27), GlmoftheA-EndRdx/Fear(36), GlmoftheA-Acc/EndRdx(46)
Level 28: Soul Absorption -- NmnCnv-Heal(A), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(29), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(29), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(36), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(43)
Level 32: Phantasm -- Acc-I(A), Dmg-I(33), Dmg-I(33), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(50)
Level 35: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 38: Dark Servant -- Acc-I(A), DmpSpr-ToHitDeb/Rchg(39), DmpSpr-ToHitDeb(39), DmpSpr-ToHitDeb/Rchg/EndRdx(39), DmpSpr-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(40), DmpSpr-Rchg/EndRdx(40)
Level 41: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(42), GifoftheA-Def/EndRdx(42), GifoftheA-Def(42)
Level 44: Disruptor Blast -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(45), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(45), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(45), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(46)
Level 47: Summon Tarantula -- ExpRnf-Acc/Rchg(A), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(48), ExpRnf-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(48), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Hover -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment 
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(11)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(11)
Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon 
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[Doomguide2005]

On 2/18/2020 at 4:35 PM, Call Me Awesome said:

Edit

Hmm, just realized this was a necro post.  Well, I assume the OP has gotten everything squared away by now.

Well what forum isn't complete without a few Ressurections occurring.