Discussion: Improvements to the Warriors

[Colette Valiant]

I ran some experiments back on Cryptic, and found that staff moves lent themselves well with sword weapons. Paired with, say, a rapier, it looks very swashbuckling. So I'd suggest experimenting with all the different weapon sets, see if titan weapon might go well with an axe, for example.

 

Also, the Warriors tend to be weak control-side. We already have a lot of Greco-Roman mythology in the game. Might not the Warriors summon some harpies, sirens, and gorgons to cover that weakness?

[The Caretaker]

On 2/25/2024 at 11:11 PM, Colette Valiant said:

I ran some experiments back on Cryptic, and found that staff moves lent themselves well with sword weapons. Paired with, say, a rapier, it looks very swashbuckling. So I'd suggest experimenting with all the different weapon sets, see if titan weapon might go well with an axe, for example.

 

Also, the Warriors tend to be weak control-side. We already have a lot of Greco-Roman mythology in the game. Might not the Warriors summon some harpies, sirens, and gorgons to cover that weakness?

 

The Warriors as implemented in the game will be staying as a beat-down human-male-only club of smugglers.

 

The future, however, looks grim for them. They're over-extending their reach.

 

People tend to notice that.

 

*grin*

[starro]

Oooh are we going to see that Warriors feedback thread from a couple years back coming to an issue or page soon (TM) ?

[Premmy]

On 3/14/2024 at 7:13 PM, The Caretaker said:

 

The Warriors as implemented in the game will be staying as a beat-down human-male-only club of smugglers.

 

The future, however, looks grim for them. They're over-extending their reach.

 

People tend to notice that.

 

*grin*

Oh thank God, I can see the Warriors filling the street crime/noir gap in later levels, and I’d hate to squander that potential. I genuinely don’t care either way if you chose to give them guns or lasers, Really I just draw the line at robots and monsters. I’d really like to be able to choose to fight human beings in normal clothes wielding human weapons doing normal crimes at higher levels than I currently can and I’d really hope any updates to The Warriors would serve that need.

Edited March 16 by Premmy

[sbloyd]

Will we get a clash with another gang, and a big dance number?

 

"When you're a Warrior, you're a Warrior all the way..."

 

(Gotta subvert that "Waaaaaariors! Come out to plaaaa-aaay!" expectation.)

[The Caretaker]

3 hours ago, sbloyd said:

Will we get a clash with another gang, and a big dance number?

 

"When you're a Warrior, you're a Warrior all the way..."

 

(Gotta subvert that "Waaaaaariors! Come out to plaaaa-aaay!" expectation.)

 

I don't wanna confirm and give out false hope, but minus the dance number, a few words in your post are correct.

[GM Impervium]

5 hours ago, sbloyd said:

Will we get a clash with another gang, and a big dance number?

 

"When you're a Warrior, you're a Warrior all the way..."

 

(Gotta subvert that "Waaaaaariors! Come out to plaaaa-aaay!" expectation.)

What do you think this is, some kind of west-side story?

=P

Edited March 19 by GM Impervium

[Herotu]

8 hours ago, GM Impervium said:

What do you think this is, some kind of west-side story?

=P

That would be "okay by me in America".

[sbloyd]

9 hours ago, GM Impervium said:

What do you think this is, some kind of west-side story?

=P

Of course not!

 

Talos Island is in the *east*.

[The Caretaker]

Before anyone jumps on me, by the way, the Boys-Only club thing is going to be addressed. Just not with the Warriors in their current and near-future iteration.

[Bionic_Flea]

A female warrior, you say . . .

 

 

[Hardboiled Hero]

Clearly they're going to end up merging with the Lizzy's.

 

  Also, Warriors should have dogs from the beastmaster MM, and gang war from thugs.. is that possible?

[PeregrineFalcon]

On 3/19/2024 at 5:32 PM, The Caretaker said:

Before anyone jumps on me, by the way, the Boys-Only club thing is going to be addressed. Just not with the Warriors in their current and near-future iteration.

Why?

 

And before you say that it's bad/wrong/whatever I'd like to point out two things:

 

1) The Warriors are a villain group, villains do bad things.

2) The Warriors have modeled themselves on warriors from history and historically only men were warriors.

[twozerofoxtrot]

5 hours ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

Why?

 

Evil muscle woman good.

(for some)

(Hello, I'm some)

Edited March 21 by twozerofoxtrot
Added an Adjective

[Indystruck]

On 3/21/2024 at 11:17 AM, PeregrineFalcon said:

Why?

 

And before you say that it's bad/wrong/whatever I'd like to point out two things:

 

1) The Warriors are a villain group, villains do bad things.

2) The Warriors have modeled themselves on warriors from history and historically only men were warriors.

 

they have modeled themselves on greek/roman folklore (heracles, odysseus, orion), which could include the Amazons

 

or alternatively, the Sarmatian women warriors

 

also it's a video game where superheroes are empowered by a big well that's a god

[Premmy]

On 3/21/2024 at 5:54 PM, twozerofoxtrot said:

 

Evil muscle woman good.

(for some)

(Hello, I'm some)

I’m some others 

[Sakura Tenshi]

On 3/23/2024 at 3:53 AM, Indystruck said:

they have modeled themselves on greek/roman folklore (heracles, odysseus, orion), which could include the Amazons

 

Amazons stem from Greeks being unable to comprehend women being allowed to fight alongside men in the Scythian Steppe Riders who inspired them that they invented a society of all-women and warriors.

 

On 3/21/2024 at 9:17 AM, PeregrineFalcon said:

And before you say that it's bad/wrong/whatever I'd like to point out two things:

1) The Warriors are a villain group, villains do bad things.

2) The Warriors have modeled themselves on warriors from history and historically only men were warriors.

 

And then there's this, Look, if you want the costume parts, that's one thing and is reasonable, but if you want evil muscle women, we have the Talons of Vengeance, Knives of Artemis, Arachnos, Tsoo, Cimeroran Traitors*, Skulls, Crey, and presumably the Rikti, Fir Bolg, and Tuatha De Dannan. And if we look into groups who should also have muscle women in them there would be Freakshow, Malta (okay, not sure how buff their women would be compared to KoA), Hellions (not sure GFFHs count in the muscle department). Lost, Dockworkers, Rogue Isle Police. So why wouldn't there be at least a few villain groups who are not politically correct? As it is, the fact that many villain groups in the game are depicted as heavily cosmopolitan and from various minority backgrounds while many major hero groups are made up heavily of males (Wyvern, Legacy Chain, Paragon Police Department) and/or white (Freedom Phalanx and Vindicators) makes blueside look less like 'City of Heroes' and more like 'City of the MAGA'.

 

TL;DR: I want to punch sexist assholes as a hero too.

 

*interesting thing to notice: there are female Cimeroran Traitor Centurions, but no female soldiers in Imperious' loyalists. This suggests Romulus' willingness to recruit anyone and that Imperious, despite ostensibly being a 'good guy' is still a largely conservative values of ancient Romans.

[Indystruck]

6 hours ago, Sakura Tenshi said:

 

Amazons stem from Greeks being unable to comprehend women being allowed to fight alongside men in the Scythian Steppe Riders who inspired them that they invented a society of all-women and warriors.

 

On 3/23/2024 at 5:53 AM, Indystruck said:

or alternatively, the Sarmatian women warriors

 

yeah I made sure to throw in a real world equivalent too that they could've transposed from, it was just a line below that.

 

  

6 hours ago, Sakura Tenshi said:

and/or white (Freedom Phalanx and Vindicators)

 

(Aurora Borealis is a Vindicator, Back Alley Brawler and Penny Yin are on the Phalanx)

 

Edited March 27 by Indystruck

[Oz The Elderly Gaymer]

On 3/18/2024 at 9:17 PM, GM Impervium said:

What do you think this is, some kind of west-side story?

=P

Hey now, don't you threaten me with a good time!

[Sakura Tenshi]

11 hours ago, Indystruck said:

(Aurora Borealis is a Vindicator, Back Alley Brawler and Penny Yin are on the Phalanx)

 

BAB is, despite all his valiant service and supposedly at his own request, not a full Phalanx member. Yin, though she has replaced Sister Psyche's TF, technically doesn't become a FP member until post Signature Story Arc 1 which came late into the game's live life. And technically never reached fully implementation as I recall as it was still in Beta Server?

[Indystruck]

Penny Yin replacing Psyche was i23, the last live issue.

[Fox Lee]

Yall, female Warriors have been in the lore since at least 2007. Because I specifically wrote a character interview with the goal of getting them included, back when Cryptic asked for player submissions to the Warriors backgrounder: 
https://web.archive.org/web/20070912123954/http://www.cityofheroes.com/gameinfo/villain_groups_warriors2.html (look for "Rove")

 

(Sure, it's pretty cringe now, but the Warriors are pretty cringe, and I think they should stay that way. Please never abandon the action-hero-already-thirty-years-out-of-date aesthetic; it only becomes more endearing with time.)

 

I guess it's too late to make suggestions for how they should look, but anyway here's my gal. She kept her Warriors look after she split, or really she fell in with them in the first place because that was always her vibe anyway (though of course she isn't wearing the red headband any more). I used some chunky tech parts out of a need to beef her up beyond the pitiful maximum mass permitted by the "female" player model, so the concept is that she made armour from the pieces of her beloved motorbike when it got wrecked. In general I wouldn't want the Warriors to lean heavily into the Greco/Roman costume parts—they're punks who think a teenage airbrushed-on-a-van version of Greek myth is totally sick, not historical cosplayers—but I would make an exception for this centurion chest, since it's one of the only ways for women to look like they have any kind of muscle definition.

Edited March 28 by Fox Lee
I obsess about typos

[Sakura Tenshi]

Well I guess that’s that on the argument.

Edited March 28 by Sakura Tenshi

[Herotu]

On 3/28/2024 at 2:22 AM, Fox Lee said:

 

[catsi563]

little late to the party but here goes just for the fun of it

 

female warriors and dont limit them to guns or archery have them out there swinging titan weapons and Battle axes and Warhammers and punching it out with the big boys seeing a fem warrior rushing up and yanking out a titan sword twice the size of her body would be cool as hell

 

more powers such as titan weapons staff fighting SJ and Martial arts fighters and Super Strength fighters as well as Katana and  Archery 

 

newer sets added as well Rapiers and Whips if theyre added. 

 

GUN FU some newer warriors would be mocked by the old guard but theyd espouse the way of the Gun as shown in movies like Equilibrium or John Woo fare As a legit martial art theyd be rare as hell but trying to convince others to join them and very dangerous for the unexpecting hero to come across

 

expand their looks with armor and shields apropos to their aesthetic

 

More magic artifacts that fit the meme such as ice claws or flaming auras things that can shock a pc expecting to just roll up and punch a warrior in the face only to burn their hands

 

use MM pets such as an ELITE warrior trainer who trains ninja or thug style fighters, these guys get training and having ELITE Trainer appear and whistle up some of his trainees to fight would be a fun surprise

 

BEAST MASTERS guys who call up large dogs and occasional Cats and even a Bear (use warwolf model) or Trained Dire Wolf to fight for them using a whip as their preferred weapon

 

expand the weapons listing by using different weapons aesthetics varying them up  to using different styles of broad sword or Axe etc

 

Thats all I got for the moment