Slash Command: /altjoin

[Perma-Newbie]

/altjoin would be the opposite of /altinvite.  Using /altjoin <name> would make you a member of the supergroup the target toon is the leader of, assuming you are an alt of that leader.

[Six-Six]

but this disregards authority and the application process. To join a supergroup, you have to apply for an invitation and the person with authority will accept you. You can't just force your way into an SG. Is it too much trouble to log in with a current member of your personal sg and invite your alt(s)? it takes less than a minute.

[Rudra]

Yeah, I'm with @Six-Six on this. We have /altinvite. We don't need /altjoin. The whole point of /altinvite was so we could get our alts into our SG without needing to ask someone to act as intermediary and invite us(, and hope they gave control back after wards). Wanting an /altjoin goes against the way a SG works.

Edited March 30, 2022 by Rudra
Edited to remove laziness comment.

[UltraAlt]

43 minutes ago, MadCow99 said:

/altjoin would be the opposite of /altinvite.  Using /altjoin <name> would make you a member of the supergroup the target toon is the leader of, assuming you are an alt of that leader.

 

If the suggestion was /altinvite all or /altinviteall, then you might get some traction.

/altinvite all or /altinviteall would invite all your characters on that server to that sg leader's sg unless they are already in an sg.

 

However, I don't honestly think that is needed either.

[Perma-Newbie]

I think maybe I was unclear: this would be amazingly useful for vanity, single user SGs.  A real sg doesn't need this command, but others would find it supremely useful.  In addition, it's literally exactly the same as altinvite, only you don't need to logout your level 1 newbie, login your alt in the SG, /altinvite, logout and log back on your level 1 newbie.

 

It would just be "start newbie", "/altjoin <MyAlt>" and voila!  Nothing is being bypassed that isn't being bypassed by altinvite.

Edited March 30, 2022 by MadCow99

[Parabola]

2 hours ago, MadCow99 said:

/altjoin would be the opposite of /altinvite.  Using /altjoin <name> would make you a member of the supergroup the target toon is the leader of, assuming you are an alt of that leader.

I think the highlighted part is being missed. This seems a reasonable idea to me.

[Rudra]

1 hour ago, Parabola said:

4 hours ago, MadCow99 said:

/altjoin would be the opposite of /altinvite.  Using /altjoin <name> would make you a member of the supergroup the target toon is the leader of, assuming you are an alt of that leader.

I think the highlighted part is being missed. This seems a reasonable idea to me.

No, it wasn't missed. Not by me anyway. I simply deemed it irrelevant. We already have /altinvite.  And like @Six-Six said, grabbing your for own use only SG leader or designated members permitted to accept invites to /altinvite your new toon takes very, very little time.

 

Edit: Why not take the request to the next logical level? All characters you make on any given server are automatically in your SG. Note that this is not me saying this is a good idea. I am being facetious. Normally I'm all for things that make a player's life easier, but this is just too much. You can't take the time to change characters and /altinvite? (Edit again: Which was created specifically for this purpose. So you can get your alts into your SG.)

 

Edit take 3: Funniest part about me saying this is a bad idea? I have 3 SGs on Everlasting that I made that are just me. I put different alts in each one based on theme. So I have to remember which characters can do /altinvite for all 3 SGs, and sometimes I don't actually remember. And I am still opposed to this suggestion.

Edited March 30, 2022 by Rudra

[TheZag]

The way im reading it sounds the same as altinvite except you have the alt logged in instead of your character that is in the SG.  So i make a toon (my toon B) that i want in a SG where i already have invite privileges (my toon A) and use '/altjoin my toon A' to join the SG.  It saves the hassle of logging out twice to switch characters and back.  You arent forcing your way into someone else's SG,  its just the same as altinvite with less relogging.

 

I dont have a solo SG so i wouldnt need this but there is no power creep,  it would be useful to those who wish to use it,  and completely ignore able for those who dont.  If the devs feel it is worth their time,  go for it.

[Six-Six]

...So

I have a personal SG, SG-A.
I have the toon that created SG-A, Alt-1
I create another toon, Alt-2

The current request is that Alt-2 can just type /altjoin SG-A right from the get go.
In order for this to work, they system must recognise that:
Alt-1 and Alt-2 have the same global.
Alt-1 should have set permissions to SG-A for automatic invite/acceptance of application
and that Alt-1 does own SG-A.

what if some other bloke typed /altjoin to SG-A instead f SG-AA as he intended but made a typo?
what if Alt-2 did the same typo and typed /altjoin SG-AA?

To set permissions, recognise SG ownership and authority, recognise global, and allow override takes roughly 5 mins of code writing. Add another 5 minutes to navigate the spaghetti code to where it's at, a few more minutes to test it so that it doesn't make any other part of the spaghetti code go wonky, a few more to package it as a patch and roll it out, several seconds to download it (includes restart of the game client)... for a grand total of who knows how many minutes. from a volunteer dev group who most likely have other better things to do.

versus 1 minute of your precious time to switch to Alt-1, type altinvite, and switch back to Alt-2. 

Then what's next? /jointeam? /joinleague?

[Parabola]

47 minutes ago, Six-Six said:

The current request is that Alt-2 can just type /altjoin SG-A right from the get go.

No, the idea is for the command /altjoin [character name], which would add you to the sg if the character was an alt of yours and the leader of an sg. /Altinvite already checks that the specified character is one of your alts (or at least I assume it does, I've never actually tried to altinvite someone else's character) so that part should already exist in the code.

 

As for the other stuff, gatekeeping the devs time when we have no real idea how complicated changes may be is pointless. I am sure they are perfectly capable of doing this for themselves from a position of actual knowledge. This command would have a small qol benefit, we should leave the devs to decide if it's worth doing or not.

[Greycat]

1 hour ago, Six-Six said:

The current request is that Alt-2 can just type /altjoin SG-A right from the get go.
In order for this to work, they system must recognise that:
Alt-1 and Alt-2 have the same global.
Alt-1 should have set permissions to SG-A for automatic invite/acceptance of application
and that Alt-1 does own SG-A.

 

So presumably:

item 1 is already taken care of, since /altinvite works.

Item 2 is checked with any sort of invite, alt or otherwise. And is probably the trickiest of them to implement as it's back-checking on the alt and its permissions in the SG.

Item 3 is irrelevant, as it's not just the owner that can invite others (even in regular invites.) That is already handled through SG permissions. Yes, I know the OP said "leader." Permissions are something already handled in game.

 

1 hour ago, Six-Six said:

what if some other bloke typed /altjoin to SG-A instead f SG-AA as he intended but made a typo?
what if Alt-2 did the same typo and typed /altjoin SG-AA?

 

They would, rather obviously, fail. I'm not sure why these are questions.  Going the other way, /altinvite *typoed-name* fails, as well. And if you see you *somehow* joined the wrong group, by *already having an alt in there,* you'd see you weren't in the group you wanted and leave it.

 

1 hour ago, Six-Six said:

To set permissions, recognise SG ownership and authority, recognise global, and allow override takes roughly 5 mins of code writing. Add another 5 minutes to navigate the spaghetti code to where it's at, a few more minutes to test it so that it doesn't make any other part of the spaghetti code go wonky, a few more to package it as a patch and roll it out, several seconds to download it (includes restart of the game client)... for a grand total of who knows how many minutes. from a volunteer dev group who most likely have other better things to do.

versus 1 minute of your precious time to switch to Alt-1, type altinvite, and switch back to Alt-2.

 

Irrelevant. And let's not do the "but the deeeevvvsss!" Yes, the devs are volunteer. Yes, they've done great work. Yes, they have limited time to work on things for the game. And y'know what, they can decide if something's worth their time on their own. They're big boys and girls.

 

1 hour ago, Six-Six said:

Then what's next? /jointeam? /joinleague?

 

Completely irrelevant. Might as well ask "What's next, /playwow? /makemeadev?" It's not even an attempt at a slippery slope, it's a "let me fall flat on my face trying to argue this."

 

Hell, I don't have a feeling one way or the other on the suggestion, but this was just such a ridiculous response TO the suggestion *it* needed response.  From the get-go, for some weird reason, Six-Six has been arguing about "barging your way into" an SG and an "application process." Given the main aim of this is streamlining *inviting your own alts to a SG you are already in* (or, going by the OP's more restrictive idea, ones you own) are both utterly irrelevant.

 

Personally, I'm hoping Six here just has some severe personal beef against the OP, or wasn't awake while posting. At least those would make these understandable. Not any more *right,* but understandable.

[Rudra]

To me, it is a pretty simple thing. /altinvite was provided because players wanted a way to get their alts into their personal use only SGs. (You know, without having to get a friend to join, invite the alt, give back leadership, and then possibly leave.) We already have a means of doing what the OP wants, it just has 5 steps. Log out, log in leader or permitted alt, /altinvite new alt, log out, log in now member of SG new alt. I understand that those extra 5 steps are undesirable to the OP. However, since we already have the means to get our alts into our personal use only SGs, this request feels less like a QoL thing and more a you asked for pie and are upset you didn't get <insert preferred pie>. The devs can decide if they are willing to work on adding an /altjoin command. The OP posted a suggestion, we gave feedback based on our own views. That is all anyone can do. So if the devs add this? Fine. If they don't? Who cares. We already have the means to do what the OP wants.

Edited March 30, 2022 by Rudra
Edited to correct /altjoin to /altinvite in 2nd sentence.

[macskull]

I don't see any reason why this command should not exist. It's /altinvite minus the extra steps and the validation to check whether the target character is on the same account as the requesting character is already there.

[TraumaTrain]

/joindevteam

[Marbing]

/joindiscussion

 

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