Bojutsu Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 What is stopping this from happening? It must be something technical because we have Stone Scrappers and Claws Tankers, for example. Maybe it has something to do with the power "Rage" and it being too powerful on a Scrapper? There must be a way to balance this power for a Scrapper, or replace it with something different. I would really like to be able to make a Super Strength Scrapper for a Hero theme character. I don't want to make a "Hero Brute" because that is too contradictory to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperstrike Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Kinda the same reason why Regen isn't propagated to Tanks. Due to AT mods, they either have to create an inferior copy of the original power set, or they're stuck dealing with a confluence of things resulting in a badly, brokenly over-powered combination. 2 If you want to be godlike, pick anything. If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojutsu Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 I should say that I don't know anything about game development. I'm sure there is a good reason, and I have no idea how easy or hard or possible or not it is to balance the set for Scrappers. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Z Bubba Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 18 hours ago, Hyperstrike said: Kinda the same reason why Regen isn't propagated to Tanks. Due to AT mods, they either have to create an inferior copy of the original power set, or they're stuck dealing with a confluence of things resulting in a badly, brokenly over-powered combination. There was another option: rework the set so that it was neither over or underpowered and then the AT mods for Tank, Brute, Scrapper would have functioned correctly with identical base values. Alas, that was not the choice they wanted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Betty Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Sometimes I wish we could port stuff like this for funsies on Brainstorm, just so we can see what it would look like if a scrapper with double stacked rage and critical strikes proc lands a KO Blow. It could make for some interesting conversation soup. 1 Mainly on Excelsior. Find me in game @Spaghetti Betty. AE Arcs: Big Magic Blowout! 41612 | The Meta-Human Wrestling Association 44683 | MHWA Part 2 48577 Click to look at my pets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperstrike Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 7 hours ago, Bill Z Bubba said: There was another option: rework the set so that it was neither over or underpowered and then the AT mods for Tank, Brute, Scrapper would have functioned correctly with identical base values. Alas, that was not the choice they wanted. Basically it'd be more productive to simply build a new set. Because reworking an extant set to proliferate it AND rebalance is a thankless task. Even if you do it RIGHT. 1 If you want to be godlike, pick anything. If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Z Bubba Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Hyperstrike said: Basically it'd be more productive to simply build a new set. Because reworking an extant set to proliferate it AND rebalance is a thankless task. Even if you do it RIGHT. You're not wrong but I'd rather be right than liked. 🙂 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperstrike Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bill Z Bubba said: You're not wrong but I'd rather be right than liked. 🙂 Then it helps that I'm not wrong!😁 1 1 If you want to be godlike, pick anything. If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidon Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 @Captain Powerhouse hasn’t gotten to it yet. Everything comes to those that wait. Have patience and wait. It will come. 1 Playing CoX is it’s own reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidon Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 8 hours ago, Bill Z Bubba said: You're not wrong but I'd rather be right than liked. 🙂 Amen. Playing CoX is it’s own reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIGHTYMOUSE1981 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) On 7/6/2022 at 3:36 PM, Bojutsu said: What is stopping this from happening? It must be something technical because we have Stone Scrappers and Claws Tankers, for example. Maybe it has something to do with the power "Rage" and it being too powerful on a Scrapper? There must be a way to balance this power for a Scrapper, or replace it with something different. I would really like to be able to make a Super Strength Scrapper for a Hero theme character. I don't want to make a "Hero Brute" because that is too contradictory to me. every day I hope for this back on live there were lots of arguments why super strength was tank and brute only, my argument was that ANIME/Manga Characters have martial art archetypes that had immense super strength, and Chinese comics/characters OMG insane levels of super strength with kung fu lmao, but I can understand if working out the attack values would be difficult. Edited September 10, 2022 by MIGHTYMOUSE1981 Stronger looking Female Aesthetic and stance {Let's make this happen} Superhuman Assault (Super Strength port for Dominators idea) https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/33605-superhuman-assault-super-strength-port-for-dominators-idea/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeGuy Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 On 7/7/2022 at 8:35 PM, Bill Z Bubba said: You're not wrong but I'd rather be right than liked. 🙂 I'm not liked by a lot of people either. Pylon and Trapdoor Results Spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d0VruEHGktnPFvtMLF_MdpKPBe0wgUhzyGvb1DQNQQo/edit#gid=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Without_Pause Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Stalkers getting /stone pretty much got rid of the argument for certain ATs logically not having certain powersets. StJ feels like a 'fixed' version of SS. Also, if Scrappers got SS, Stalkers should as well, and lordy FS while Hidden and Stalker ATOs. Top 10 Most Fun 50s. 1. Without Mercy: Claws/ea Scrapper. 2. Outsmart: Fort 3. Sneakers: Stj/ea Stalker. 4. Emma Strange: Ill/dark Controller. 5. Project Next: Ice/stone Brute. 6. Waterpark: Water/temp Blaster. 6. Mighty Matt: Rad/bio Brute. 7. Without Hesitation: Claws/sr Scrapper. 8. Within Reach: Axe/stone Brute. 9. Without Pause: Claws/wp Brute. 10. Chasing Fireworks: Fire/time Controller. "Downtime is for mortals. Debt is temporary. Fame is forever." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandX Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Would SS be OP on a Scrapper? I know I have a non 50 StJ/INV Scrapper waiting for SS to get ported over, but that's purely for concept reasons like Hurl 🙂 Is it just Rage that would make it so? Or the idea of KB with a crit? Seeing as how we have ET and CS with modified crits (tho CS should really get some crit damage added to it), so that seems like it could be done as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperstrike Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 53 minutes ago, BrandX said: Would SS be OP on a Scrapper? I know I have a non 50 StJ/INV Scrapper waiting for SS to get ported over, but that's purely for concept reasons like Hurl 🙂 Is it just Rage that would make it so? Or the idea of KB with a crit? Seeing as how we have ET and CS with modified crits (tho CS should really get some crit damage added to it), so that seems like it could be done as well. Yes it would. The way Rage works would make scrappers ridiculous. They'd have to either severely nerf or replace Rage. Which would then necessitate a damage rebalance for the rest of the set. At which point, it's probably easier to just build out a new set... If you want to be godlike, pick anything. If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I think that what they did to Energy Transfer when they ported EM to Scrappers shows that they don't want Scrappers to be able to do too much damage, but they want to set that hard ceiling without all of the work to rebalance all of the relevant power sets. So at this point it's obvious that they're either never going to port SS to Scrappers, or they'll do a nerfed version of it without Rage. Being constantly offended doesn't mean you're right, it means you're too narcissistic to tolerate opinions different than your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarillo Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 On 9/28/2022 at 11:31 AM, Hyperstrike said: The way Rage works would make scrappers ridiculous. I'm all for reworking SS to not have Rage, honestly. Heck, it's the main reason I want to see Scrappers with the set, at this point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperstrike Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Lazarillo said: I'm all for reworking SS to not have Rage, honestly. Heck, it's the main reason I want to see Scrappers with the set, at this point. As an SS tank, you'd have to come fight ME for it... If you want to change SS. I might not kill you (but don't underestimate me). But there's NO WAY IN HELL you do more than tickle me... Better off creating a new set that's SS with the numbers filed off, and tweaked for the Rage-haters. Call it "Grunt Hard" or something... 1 If you want to be godlike, pick anything. If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarillo Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Hyperstrike said: I might not kill you (but don't underestimate me). I mean, you might as well not even both trying during the crashes. Super Strength, the only power set that gets inherent "alt-tab". 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperstrike Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 55 minutes ago, Lazarillo said: I mean, you might as well not even both trying during the crashes. Super Strength, the only power set that gets inherent "alt-tab". And if I managed to splat you outside of the crashes? If you want to be godlike, pick anything. If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarillo Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 46 minutes ago, Hyperstrike said: And if I managed to splat you outside of the crashes? Then congratulations on doing what any other set could probably do without having to pay a penalty to achieve mediocrity, I guess? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperstrike Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Except I'd have done it in complete safety. It's called "tradeoffs" If you want to be godlike, pick anything. If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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