Yin TF and the page 5 power level changes

[KaizenSoze]

This is not a complaint thread. The opposite, I was having a blast today on kill most Yins with minimal difficulty of 2.

 

Elec/Ice blaster

I now have Thunderous Blast, Freezing touch, and Frozen aura available.

+3 Yin 29 mins, pulled most of the side rooms in the last mission 

 

Fortunata

Psychic wail and Aura of Confusion are available, but I had to push confuse to level 32 to get it all to work

+2 Yin 35 mins. Much lower damage team, but pulled all the side rooms. Being able to alternate Psychic Wail and Aura of Confusion was a lot of fun. Funnest combo, Aim->Psychic Tornado->Follow up->Psychic Wail

 

Next up:

Ninja/Trick Arrow Mastermind - will get last upgrade, oil slick arrow

Bane - Crowd control is the only really useful power to pull to 30.

[kelika2]

Went through that on my fire/trick arrow corr

There was a grav dom who popped the computers while the ambush was coming.  wormholed AV group onto the ambush group in that little choke point where my glue, oil, disruption and damn that was fun

 

[Greycat]

Next up - all powers available from level 1, because it's still not fast enough.  Including incarnates.

[kelika2]

3 hours ago, Greycat said:

Next up - all powers available from level 1, because it's still not fast enough.  Including incarnates.

as long as they did that in another game mode or something

like old galaxy city constantly spawning enemies that we can just log on a level1 fully enhanced and gtg

cant leave galaxy tho

[KaizenSoze]

I found it easier to respec my psi/ninja scrapper next. Nice to have mass levitate.

 

+3 kill most, pulled all the side doors in mission four, 30 mins

 

We had a few deaths, but a high damage team and I got good use out of fold space.

[Brutal Justice]

So now you have to crank it to +3 and pull the entire map to have fun.  While the level appropriate toons are dead/ineffective.  Sounds like confirmation of our fears.  

[TygerDarkstorm]

42 minutes ago, Brutal Justice said:

So now you have to crank it to +3 and pull the entire map to have fun.  While the level appropriate toons are dead/ineffective.  Sounds like confirmation of our fears.  

According to whom? I've run 2 Yins recently and did not see any reason to cry that the sky is falling the way some of y'all have been since the beta. Yes, I know, anecdotal and only a couple of runs so far, but, at least so far on Everlasting, it wasn't some doom and gloom thing and both runs (one at +2 and one at default) ran in about the same time as Yin usually seems to take.

[KaizenSoze]

1 hour ago, Brutal Justice said:

So now you have to crank it to +3 and pull the entire map to have fun.  While the level appropriate toons are dead/ineffective.  Sounds like confirmation of our fears.  

Completely wrong interpretation of my comments. What I am saying is it possible to due +2-3 Yin faster and with more fun, because of the extra powers. Otherwise, +3 can be tedious without the extra powers in a PUG.

 

I am capable of having fun with any level Yin. Please, take your doom and gloom to another thread.

[Xiddo]

I’m yet to try any Yins because I haven’t had a chance to look at a rough build with the new power changes. Jealous!

[BrandX]

5 hours ago, Brutal Justice said:

So now you have to crank it to +3 and pull the entire map to have fun.  While the level appropriate toons are dead/ineffective.  Sounds like confirmation of our fears.  

 

And yet still saw a bunch die on a +2 when they clicked computers early 😛

 

Loved having my Water/SR Sentinel softcapped for Yin.

[MistressOhm]

1 hour ago, BrandX said:

 

And yet still saw a bunch die on a +2 when they clicked computers early 😛

 

 

In telco speak that is a Plant Operator Error (POE).  Otherwise known as a procedural screwup, resume-generating event, or "teachable moment".  🙂

[Major_Decoy]

2 hours ago, BrandX said:

 

And yet still saw a bunch die on a +2 when they clicked computers early 😛

 

Loved having my Water/SR Sentinel softcapped for Yin.

Sentinel Super Reflexes really needed the new power order. No AoE defense until level 35 is tough.

[KaizenSoze]

15 minutes ago, Major_Decoy said:

Sentinel Super Reflexes really needed the new power order. No AoE defense until level 35 is tough.

You can get those two AOE defense powers much earlier now.

 

Secondary Sets (non-Epic ATs)

• Tier 2 powers moved from level 2 to level 1 (character creation)
• Tier 7 powers moved from level 28 to level 24
• Tier 8 powers moved from level 35 to level 28
• Tier 9 powers moved from level 38 to level 30

[Major_Decoy]

11 minutes ago, KaizenSoze said:

You can get those two AOE defense powers much earlier now.

 

Secondary Sets (non-Epic ATs)

• Tier 2 powers moved from level 2 to level 1 (character creation)
• Tier 7 powers moved from level 28 to level 24
• Tier 8 powers moved from level 35 to level 28
• Tier 9 powers moved from level 38 to level 30

Unless you're talking about Elude, there's just the one. Sentinel Super Reflexes seems to be based on Stalker Super Reflexes (mostly) with hide swapped out for an endurance recovery power. But for Stalkers, Lucky got rolled into Evasion. That's why Evasion's AoE defense is about 7% higher than Focused Fighting and Focused Reflexes.

[KaizenSoze]

8 minutes ago, Major_Decoy said:

Unless you're talking about Elude, there's just the one. Sentinel Super Reflexes seems to be based on Stalker Super Reflexes (mostly) with hide swapped out for an endurance recovery power. But for Stalkers, Lucky got rolled into Evasion. That's why Evasion's AoE defense is about 7% higher than Focused Fighting and Focused Reflexes.

You're right about Elude, but you can still get Evasion at 28 now.

[Major_Decoy]

Yes, I know. I said it was a good change for Sentinel Super Reflexes.

[Redletter]

On 10/24/2022 at 6:26 PM, kelika2 said:

as long as they did that in another game mode or something

like old galaxy city constantly spawning enemies that we can just log on a level1 fully enhanced and gtg

cant leave galaxy tho

 

I mean... that's kinda just th beta server, isnt it? Functionally speaking?

[Ruin Mage]

Don't mind Greycat's post, he's been on the "This is what's next" train despite HC not giving any indication that it is what's next.

That being said, neat info! Thanks Kaiser.

[cranebump]

14 hours ago, MistressOhm said:

 

In telco speak that is a Plant Operator Error (POE).  Otherwise known as a procedural screwup, resume-generating event, or "teachable moment".  🙂

Yup. Ranks right there with Pos1's, "Hey, guys, don't head to the City Hall doors, until...oh, never mind..." (though I see a lot less of the Yin error, since you actually have to activate the computers, rather than just hop on the top of the steps).

[KaizenSoze]

44 minutes ago, cranebump said:

Yup. Ranks right there with Pos1's, "Hey, guys, don't head to the City Hall doors, until...oh, never mind..." (though I see a lot less of the Yin error, since you actually have to activate the computers, rather than just hop on the top of the steps).

Yes, that Pos 1 ambush is a really tricky ambush. Starts with the door, but then could come from behind. Since, it's a wide open area it's much harder to group them up or hide from attacks.

 

I love it.

[cranebump]

26 minutes ago, KaizenSoze said:

Yes, that Pos 1 ambush is a really tricky ambush. Starts with the door, but then could come from behind. Since, it's a wide open area it's much harder to group them up or hide from attacks.

 

I love it.

Plus you can sometimes get add-ins from the side, or front of steps groups. Can't they also follow you inside? I seem to recall having fights right inside the doors (or maybe that was when we yanked the inner mobs toward us, like the idiots we are).:-)

[KaizenSoze]

Respec'ed and run my Ninja/Trick Arrow Mastermind.

 

Oh my oh my. Between the mastermind buffs, having all pet upgrades, and oil slick arrow it was a blast.

 

+2 first mission, +3 the rest, 30 mins. Lost a total 5 genin and 2 jounin.

[KaizenSoze]

Two slower runs, but both builds are mostly SOs, except a few IOs.

 

Huntsbane, changes allow you to have one set of pets. +3, 37 mins. It was a good, but lower damage team.

Sentinel Archery/Ninja, +2, 32 mins. The pullers were all over the place, which led to some unnecessary deaths and the team was a bit low damage. I think we had a lot of sub-25s in the team. Good group, just a bit slow.

 

Still +2-3 is the new sweet spot for speed vs exp now.

Edited October 28, 2022 by KaizenSoze

[KaizenSoze]

Last update. I joined a 0x8 kill most PUG with my respec'ed elec/ice blaster.

 

Took 20 mins, no side rooms. So, a few minutes faster than a normal 0 kill most, but not ridiculous.

 

Being able to wipe out 80% of every second or third spawn with my nuke did speed things up a bit.

[Nefertari]

On 10/26/2022 at 11:35 AM, cranebump said:

Plus you can sometimes get add-ins from the side, or front of steps groups. Can't they also follow you inside? I seem to recall having fights right inside the doors (or maybe that was when we yanked the inner mobs toward us, like the idiots we are).:-)

Maybe you are thinking about the 2 groups right inside the door.  One to left and one straight ahead.  I've never had any follow me inside, plus you can't go in until after the ambush is done.