kelika2 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Trying to make my MA/Fire scrapper work with some extra aoe. Then I noticed Fiery Embrace didnt effect Spring Attack, then Jump Kick and using a second build none of the pool powers do either. Now I dont know if they ever did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FupDup Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 (edited) We can verify this by looking over on City of Data. Every Scrapper primary attack has its own line (extra damage) tagged to be active during Fiery Embrace, but this tag is absent on every pool power. I'm guessing they probably never did but I've never looked into this particular ability sooooo... It does seem pretty weird. I guess it does make sense for certain very stronk attacks like sniper beams to not have such a huge damage bonus but the more basic and shitty pool attacks could probably use the extra boost. Edited August 5, 2023 by FupDup Closed Beta Discord Invite: https://discord.gg/DptUBzh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarky Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 yeah, because what the game balance needs at this point is for fire to do more damage... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Snarky said: yeah, because what the game balance needs at this point is for fire to do more damage... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catsi563 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 (edited) well it does say all your fire attacks for a while and non fire attacks for a short period so it may not have been active for your other attacks =>_>= *FIREBALLS snarky* Edited August 5, 2023 by catsi563 1 My Dear you deserve the services of a great wizard but youll have to settle for the aid of a second rate pick pocket ~Schmendrick So you mean you'll put down your rock, and I'll put down my sword; and we'll try and kill each other like civilized people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outrider_01 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 No. Trying to get a log of damage from my brute but I have zero internet connection of frozen maple syrup. The fire damage didn't even affect boxing or brawl but Incarnate degenerative proc on both "Farming is just more fun in my opinion, beating up hordes of angry cosplayers...." - Coyotedancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player2 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 19 hours ago, Snarky said: yeah, because what the game balance needs at this point is for fire to do more damage... And Regen needs to regen faster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uun Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 It appears that Fiery Embrace works with Tanker and Brute epic sets but not with Scrapper epic sets (Stalkers and Sentinels don't get Fiery Embrace). I'm guessing this is a bug. Uunderdog - Rad/Rad Scrapper | Uundertaker - Rad/Dark Corruptor | Uun - MA/Inv Scrapper | Uunison - Grav/Storm Controller | Uuncola - Ice/Temp Blaster | Uundergrowth - Plant/Martial Dominator | Uunstable - SR/Staff Tank Uunreal - Fire/Time Corruptor | Uunrest - Dark/TA Blaster | Uunseen - Ill/Poison Controller | Uuncool - Cold/Beam Defender | Uunderground - Earth/Earth Dominator | Uunknown - Mind/Psi Dominator | Uunplugged - Stone/Elec Brute Uunfair - Archery/TA Corruptor | Uunsung - DP/Ninja Blaster | Uunflammable - Fire/Nature Controller | Uunflappable - WM/WP Brute | Uundead - Dark/Dark Tank | Uunfit - Water/Martial Blaster | Uunwrapped - Dark/Dark Dominator Uunchill - Ice/Kinetics Corruptor | Uunpleasant - En/En Stalker | Uunbrella - Rad/Rad Sentinel | Uunsafari - Beasts/Traps MM | Uungnome - Nature/Seismic Defender | Uunsavory - Poson/Sonic Defender | Uunicycle - BS/Shield Scrapper Uuntouchable - Ill/Time Controller | Uunferno - Fire/Fire Tank | Uunthinkable - Psi/SR Scrapper | Uuncivil - Thugs/Elec MM | Uunnatural - Ice/Savage Dominator | Uunshockable - Elec/Bio Sentinel | Uunfathomable - Elec/Dark Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarky Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Player2 said: And Regen needs to regen faster. next update they are nerfing Regen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macskull Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 On 8/5/2023 at 12:29 AM, kelika2 said: Trying to make my MA/Fire scrapper work with some extra aoe. Then I noticed Fiery Embrace didnt effect Spring Attack, then Jump Kick and using a second build none of the pool powers do either. Now I dont know if they ever did On 8/5/2023 at 7:01 AM, FupDup said: We can verify this by looking over on City of Data. Every Scrapper primary attack has its own line (extra damage) tagged to be active during Fiery Embrace, but this tag is absent on every pool power. I'm guessing they probably never did but I've never looked into this particular ability sooooo... It does seem pretty weird. I guess it does make sense for certain very stronk attacks like sniper beams to not have such a huge damage bonus but the more basic and shitty pool attacks could probably use the extra boost. 3 hours ago, Uun said: It appears that Fiery Embrace works with Tanker and Brute epic sets but not with Scrapper epic sets (Stalkers and Sentinels don't get Fiery Embrace). I'm guessing this is a bug. On 8/5/2023 at 10:09 AM, catsi563 said: well it does say all your fire attacks for a while and non fire attacks for a short period so it may not have been active for your other attacks =>_>= *FIREBALLS snarky* Fiery Embrace used to work like Embrace of Fire (the Dominator version) and gave a straight damage boost. The exact boost varied by AT but for Scrappers it was 100% boost to fire damage for 20 seconds and 80% boost to all other types of damage for 10 seconds. In Issue 18 it was changed to add additional fire damage to all your attacks (but the old +dam version was kept in PvP). The way this is accomplished is by setting a "global chance mod" from 0% to 100% for any power with the "Fiery Embrace" tag in order to tell the game to add the extra fire damage. Unfortunately this means adding that information to every single damage power Scrappers can use so it's probably an oversight that Scrapper epic and pool powers don't have the tags, especially since Fiery Embrace's description says it "causes all your damaging powers to do bonus fire damage." TL;DR: FE used to affect pool powers back when it was a damage buff and those powers never had the correct flags added to them when FE got changed 13 years ago. 1 "If you can read this, I've failed as a developer." -- Caretaker Proc information and chance calculator spreadsheet (last updated 15APR24) Player numbers graph (updated every 15 minutes) Graph readme @macskull/@Not Mac | Twitch | Youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chance Jackson Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 (edited) On 8/5/2023 at 3:29 AM, kelika2 said: Trying to make my MA/Fire scrapper work with some extra aoe. Then I noticed Fiery Embrace didnt effect Spring Attack, then Jump Kick and using a second build none of the pool powers do either. Now I dont know if they ever did Why a scrapper? That combo gives you 7.5 def to all positions & types when storm kick hits as a brute Edited August 7, 2023 by Chance Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelika2 Posted August 7, 2023 Author Share Posted August 7, 2023 6 hours ago, Chance Jackson said: Why a scrapper? That combo gives you 7.5 def to all positions & types when storm kick hits as a brute more damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carroto Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 On 8/5/2023 at 9:44 AM, Snarky said: yeah, because what the game balance needs at this point is for fire to do more damage... The recent Burn nerf would like to have a word. 1 1 Make your own proc chance charts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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