Thunderbolts* (MCU)

[Ulysses Dare]

Just watched this last night and found it quite fun. Not the best MCU movie, sure, but miles ahead of Brave New World,

[BrandX]

As I rewatch Thunderbolts, I have to say, I'm not sure I'd have considered the guy John killed, innocent. 😛

[Ulysses Dare]

On 8/2/2025 at 7:47 AM, BrandX said:

As I rewatch Thunderbolts, I have to say, I'm not sure I'd have considered the guy John killed, innocent. 😛

Something that's always bugged me about the MCU version of John Walker is how the script keeps trying to bend reality to make me believe this guy is an asshole. I was reading Captain America back when Super Patriot, a.k.a. John Walker, was introduced. That guy was a 24-carat asshole. The MCU version is a combat vet who got tossed into water over his head and then the people who did it to him pulled up the ladder. 

[BrandX]

39 minutes ago, Ulysses Dare said:

Something that's always bugged me about the MCU version of John Walker is how the script keeps trying to bend reality to make me believe this guy is an asshole. I was reading Captain America back when Super Patriot, a.k.a. John Walker, was introduced. That guy was a 24-carat asshole. The MCU version is a combat vet who got tossed into water over his head and then the people who did it to him pulled up the ladder. 

 

I agree.  He didn't come off as much of an asshole in the series and I thought it was messed up what they had the government do to him.  Not saying they shouldn't have taken away the shield/title, but it's not like Steve didn't go about killing Nazi's, and John just killed a terrorist, who may not have been the one to kill his friend directly, but he was there as the group and things got heated.

 

Also, in Thunderbolts, he came off as right more than once.  Elevator shaft scene, while the others didn't like it, he was not only correct but saved them all (okay, Bob would've been fine :p) and when he told Yelena there was to many variables and then she acts like he shouldn't have moved when her plan fell apart and he was screwed 😛

 

Though, I do believe she gave him a compliment later about being a good soldier.

 

Of course, on the digs, they were all going to do that regardless.