Knockback, Stil a Dirty Word?

[UltraAlt]

3 hours ago, The Witchfire said:

OK, let me start by saying just because you've never seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist or hasn't happened.  I've never been to Australia but it's still there, lol.

 

Who said something didn't happen?

 

You are refuting the fact that I didn't experience it with a nothing argument.

 

Maybe you experience what you did because you became known for using knockback in an irresponsible manner.

I didn't say that before, but you are putting this into a different field of interaction.

 

3 hours ago, The Witchfire said:

"Even on Virtue" meant that before the other servers were getting shut down

 

All of the NCSoft CoH servers were shutdown at the same time.

 

3 hours ago, The Witchfire said:

or dying out (leading to the servr being invaded by farmers and trolls),

 

What "the servr"?

What are you evening talking about at this point?

 

3 hours ago, The Witchfire said:

Virtue's RPers were genraly more tolerant in my experience than the average player when it came to game mechanics issues.

 

Okay. But just because you say that was happening for you doesn't mean it is happening for everyone. I mean you haven't even been to Australia.

or is that not how we are trying to discuss things?

It seems like that is the way you want this to go.

 

3 hours ago, The Witchfire said:

My job and other real life issues kept me from having a regular play schedule, so I had difficulties growing a friends list, which was all but vital finding teams. 

 

... and,  yeah, so as you say ...

 

3 hours ago, The Witchfire said:

OK, let me start by saying just because you've never seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist or hasn't happened.  I've never been to Australia but it's still there, lol.

 

I was primarily a PuG player. I still am.

I have friends list, but I tend to play with PuGs rather than have a friend tell me to join a team more sending friends a tell to join a team.

I teamed up on all the servers, some more than others. The same goes here. There are a couple - like before the Sunset - I don't play on often.

 

3 hours ago, The Witchfire said:

Groups repeatedly refused to let an unknown KB blaster on the team,  I was outright told repeatedly that was the issue.

 

So how exactly does that go down?

 

/lft antiknockbackking, LF2M for Yin.

/t antiknockbackking, I'll join!

antikockbackking, I'm not going to send you an invite because you are an energy blaster.

 

How would they even know?

Oh, they were on your friends list and you had a reputation for not using knockback in team friendly manner.

Got it.

 

3 hours ago, The Witchfire said:

It took me FOREVER to get to the mid 20s and the only reason that character made it to 50 at all was Breaker Udual let me on his Family farm runs.

 

Sounds rough.

My energy blaster made it to 50 on live by PuG'ing with no farming and never rejected from joining or ejected from a team for playing an energy blaster.

 

4 hours ago, The Witchfire said:

That was pre AE days when PI missions got farmed over and over w/o closing the mision out.

 

I've always been opposed for farming in all forms.

 

4 hours ago, The Witchfire said:

The incident with Strong Girl stuck in my mind because she was just doing it to troll the team too.  If she hadn't been an SG member, I'd have booted her from the team. 

 

I see.

Thanks for letting me know the kind of people you run with. 

It all makes more sense in totality now.

 

 

[MTeague]

4 hours ago, Solarverse said:

However, most players in game don't RP and hate KB, that is painfully obvious and always has been since day one on live. That has never changed and remains true. It sounds like to me that you may be in denial if you believe that most players don't hate knock back. Some things in life don't need to be proven due to the abundance of evidence. Players who hate knock back being the majority is one of them.

 

I concede the overwhelming majority of players I've encountered have no interest in RP. Even I tend to banter more than RP. 

 

But my experience does not match yours when it comes to KB. Most player reactions I've seen have been "meh" as long as mobs are dying and the team is steadily pressing forward. If it matters, I tend to do most of my teaming in TF's or lower level content. I'm not a fan of incarnates, and tend to avoid most 45+ teams unless I have a specific goal in mind. Perhaps this means I tend to encounter a different arena of players than yourself, perhaps not. All I can say, it's what I've seen. 

 

Cheers.

[Xenodi]

I dislike Knockback (KB) and wish it could be removed from certain sets, or that some alternative solutions could be implemented. I especially dislike when other players use KB right before when you drop your AOE bombs, knocking mobs out of the damage zone. KB essentially acts as an anti-damage skill when used by other players. Sure there are some players who can use KB well in team content but those are in minority.

Edited 14 hours ago by Xenodi

[PeregrineFalcon]

6 hours ago, Solarverse said:

I gave you more credit than that. To think that the vast majority do not hate knock back sounds a bit delusional. The only place in this entire game that anyone thinks knock back is a good thing would be right here...on these very forums.

And you know this how? Have you surveyed the entire player base?

 

No you haven't, you're just making this shit up. I'll agree that a forum poll isn't completely reliable, but it's far more accurate that the random shit you're spewing. Make no mistake, you do not know what the entire player base thinks. You're just writing your own opinion and acting like you know the hearts and minds of everyone who plays on Homecoming.

 

I'll agree that someone here sounds a bit delusional.

[Plutonix]

I'm not happy unless my enemy is orbited.

[lineuphere]

My Energy Blaster is my favorite blaster to play - by far.   I mean, the animations alone are some of the best in the game, IMO.

 

I do know that KB is annoying to some other players, and to be honest, I learned that it can be even more frustrating when I'm fighting mobs by myself - especially since my Blaster is Energy/Martial Combat -- very much a blapper, so it was a no brainer to slot the KB>KD in multiple powers, so that I can just kick them after I shoot them without having to jog over to them.

 

For those that gave up on Energy Blast, give this a try...

 

1. Power Blast / Power Bolt - whichever one you take, eventually slot it with the 6 set of Blaster Wrath -  Once you pass level 25, you'll never use this power anyway. It become a mule for your AT set - so no worries about have a KB>KD

2. Energy Torrent - I have a SudAcc KB>KD in it and just 3 Explosive Strikes for the Ranged Damage buff, but again, you'll barely ever use this power beyond 25, so you could conceivably skip the KB conversion.  

3. Power Burst - I have a SudAcc KB>KD slotted here and the other slots are %damage procs as well as the Force Feedback proc.

4. Sniper Blast - I have a SudAcc KB>KD in this along with the GladJav%proc, the Cupid'sCrush Damage/Confuse proc, and 3 SotManticores (again, for Ranged Def buff).  The snipe is so powerful, a Lieutenant is sometimes gone in one shot.

5. Power Push - I skip this power

6. Explosive Blast - SudAcc KB>KD slotted here and the other slots are %damage procs and the Annihilation -Res Debuff proc.

7. Nova - The full Overwhelming Force set, which includes its KB>KD enhancement.

 

Again, to each his own, but I enjoy the whole style and appearance of Energy Blast so much that, frankly, I'd make even more slot adjustments to play it if I had to.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by lineuphere

[Solarverse]

6 hours ago, MTeague said:

 

I concede the overwhelming majority of players I've encountered have no interest in RP. Even I tend to banter more than RP. 

 

But my experience does not match yours when it comes to KB. Most player reactions I've seen have been "meh" as long as mobs are dying and the team is steadily pressing forward. If it matters, I tend to do most of my teaming in TF's or lower level content. I'm not a fan of incarnates, and tend to avoid most 45+ teams unless I have a specific goal in mind. Perhaps this means I tend to encounter a different arena of players than yourself, perhaps not. All I can say, it's what I've seen. 

 

Cheers.

 

My man, with all due respect, if mobs are dying and the team is moving forward, it sounds to me like you are using KB tactfully and not scattering mobs all over the room and away from other people's AoE.  😉  So cheers for that.

[Solarverse]

4 hours ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

And you know this how? Have you surveyed the entire player base?

 

No you haven't, you're just making this shit up. I'll agree that a forum poll isn't completely reliable, but it's far more accurate that the random shit you're spewing. Make no mistake, you do not know what the entire player base thinks. You're just writing your own opinion and acting like you know the hearts and minds of everyone who plays on Homecoming.

 

I'll agree that someone here sounds a bit delusional.

 

I honestly don't need any surveys to know how people in general feel about knock back. This to me is not even debatable. If you are a knock back lover, great...however, you aren't in my DM's when other people are complaining about KB players to me. I am most always the leader of any teams I am on and when a KB player enters the team, it never fails when my Tells go through tell hell over the KB player. People hate knock back. But I mean, if you want to believe otherwise there isn't much point in me trying to convince you further.

Edit: I will admit that server choice may influence our opinions. I played on Justice and Freedom on Live and Excelsior on Homecoming. So it's very possible my server choices are skewing my point of view as it is very likely that players who hate KB would frequent those servers more than others. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Solarverse

[Neiska]

48 minutes ago, Solarverse said:

 

I honestly don't need any surveys to know how people in general feel about knock back. This to me is not even debatable. If you are a knock back lover, great...however, you aren't in my DM's when other people are complaining about KB players to me. I am most always the leader of any teams I am on and when a KB player enters the team, it never fails when my Tells go through tell hell over the KB player. People hate knock back. But I mean, if you want to believe otherwise there isn't much point in me trying to convince you further.

Edit: I will admit that server choice may influence our opinions. I played on Justice and Freedom on Live and Excelsior on Homecoming. So it's very possible my server choices are skewing my point of view as it is very likely that players who hate KB would frequent those servers more than others. 

 

"My very limited personal experience serves as such evidence as to be irrefutable and undeniable and is thus beyond contest." 

 

[Solarverse]

6 minutes ago, Neiska said:

 

"My very limited personal experience serves as such evidence as to be irrefutable and undeniable and is thus beyond contest." 

 

 

So help me God.

[MTeague]

1 hour ago, lineuphere said:

I do know that KB is annoying to some other players, and to be honest, I learned that it can be even more frustrating when I'm fighting mobs by myself - especially since my Blaster is Energy/Martial Combat

Well you have a decent array of KB-to-KD slotted, so that's certainly one way around it. 

But a something like /bind Q PowExecName Burst of Speed would let you quickly bamph around the battlefield to tele-punch any ragdolled foe and then immediately follow up with the kick(s) of your choice.  And having a key right next to the WASD makes it super easy to use seamlessly on the fly. 

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

Please talk about knockback, not each other.

[ZemX]

8 hours ago, MTeague said:

But my experience does not match yours when it comes to KB. Most player reactions I've seen have been "meh" as long as mobs are dying and the team is steadily pressing forward.

 

I think mostly it's that people aren't doing it.  I don't mean single KBs here or there.  I mean large AoE scattering of neatly bunched enemies.  I just don't see that but really rarely and when it happens, people notice and comment.  Otherwise, it's not a big deal because nobody's making it a big deal.  Or else KD converters are just that common now.  Probably both.

 

I can recall someone with a Bonfire, not KD converted, dropping it at my tank's feet a couple times in one PuG.  Eventually someone piped up about that and politely suggested not doing that or else looking into the magic of KB-KD IOs if they didn't already know about them.  The worst example I remember ever was some Sentinel following my tank into every spawn and cutting loose with a Nova... that wasn't nearly powerful enough to kill everything.  I think that one might have been enough even I commented on it eventually.  But nothing else like that has happened to me in years.

[Doc Spectre]

I think it would be cool if mobs knocked back into a wall or off a balcony ect took additional smashing damage. Though I suspect that would make knocback be taken more often and used poorly 😕