2 BILLION INF POWER RESPEC

[BEASTCORE]

Suggestion: 2 Billion Influence Power Set Re-Roll Option

Here’s an idea for a late-game feature that could finally give veteran players something meaningful to spend their influence on.

💡 Spend 2 billion influence to re-roll your character’s power sets.

How it could work:

• You keep your character’s name, class (AT), badges, accolades, and history.

• You can re-select your primary and secondary power sets, creating a fresh build while keeping your progress and identity.

• You restart at level 1 to level the new powers again, keeping all badges, merits, and other progress.

• Instead of being a one-time option, it could have a cooldown timer (for example, once every 30 days or 90 days).

This would be perfect for players who’ve invested years into one character’s story, look, and accomplishments but still want to try new powers without deleting their main.

It also serves as a great money sink for players sitting at the 2 billion influence cap, giving end-game influence real purpose.

Would love to hear what others think — seems like an awesome way to keep the game fresh while respecting the time we’ve put into our characters.

 

-GODLIKE (excelsior) 

@GODLIKE1

[BEASTCORE]

Of course, this would be easier for the farming crowd to afford, so maybe there could also be a merit-based or hybrid version of the system for players who don’t farm — something that still rewards dedication without relying purely on influence.

[Rudra]

There are so many requests for this. I do not feel like rehashing this topic again, so please go do your own search. I'll just say that power sets, AT, and origin are chosen for characters before entering the game for the first time with that character, and cannot be respec'ed the way power selections and enhancement slots can be without deleting the character and starting over.

 

Edit again:

Oh yeah:

  

1 hour ago, BEASTCORE said:

This would be perfect for players who’ve invested years into one character’s story, look, and accomplishments but still want to try new powers without deleting their main.

Players can already try out new power sets and ATs without having to delete their main. We get 1,000 character slots per server to try out anything we want. Go nuts.

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Rudra
Edited to change "powers" to "power sets" and add ", AT,".

[BEASTCORE]

11 minutes ago, Rudra said:

There are so many requests for this. I do not feel like rehashing this topic again, so please go do your own search. I'll just say that power sets, AT, and origin are chosen for characters before entering the game for the first time with that character, and cannot be respec'ed the way power selections and enhancement slots can be without deleting the character and starting over.

 

Edit again:

Oh yeah:

  

Players can already try out new power sets and ATs without having to delete their main. We get 1,000 character slots per server to try out anything we want. Go nuts.

 

As I stated, you’re thinking of something completely different than I am, I’m talking for the people that like to main or role-play one single character not have 1 million different named alts.  Which is why this would come with a hefty price tag or cost of some sort. It should not just be a simple respec. Imagine you have a main tune that you’ve associated yourself with for a few years, have like 1000 badges or something. And want to just have that particular tune with new powers. This would be a great way to spend some end game $$$ and keep things fresh for your particular character. I’m not talking about re-creating the same build. 

[BEASTCORE]

19 minutes ago, Rudra said:

There are so many requests for this. I do not feel like rehashing this topic again, so please go do your own search. I'll just say that power sets, AT, and origin are chosen for characters before entering the game for the first time with that character, and cannot be respec'ed the way power selections and enhancement slots can be without deleting the character and starting over.

 

Edit again:

Oh yeah:

  

Players can already try out new power sets and ATs without having to delete their main. We get 1,000 character slots per server to try out anything we want. Go nuts.

 

“There are so many requests for this. I do not feel like rehashing this topic again”

… no one is asking you to.

[Rudra]

5 minutes ago, BEASTCORE said:

this is my first time post, thanks for the navigation help. If people dont discuss and the idea dies then so be it. I still feel like that’s the point of posting here is a discussion? If anyone wants to have one that’s fine, but it doesn’t mean it should get shut down… and I highly doubt anybody has the exact same idea that I just presented.

You are missing the point. A search for "respec" just in topic titles will show you 2 pages of different threads where it was discussed. 35 pages if you include body of thread content. Your suggestion has been discussed. Into the ground.

 

2 minutes ago, BEASTCORE said:

As I stated, you’re thinking of something completely different than I am, I’m talking for the people that like to main or role-play one single character not have 1 million different named alts.  Which is why this would come with a hefty price tag or cost of some sort. It should not just be a simple respec. Imagine you have a main tune that you’ve associated yourself with for a few years, have like 1000 badges or something. And want to just have that particular tune with new powers. This would be a great way to spend some end game $$$ and keep things fresh for your particular character. I’m not talking about re-creating the same build. 

If a player wants to play just one character, that player can do so. If that player wants to play a new power set or AT than their one character, they can either delete their one character, preferably by e-mailing themselves any enhancements they plan on keeping or putting them into a personal SG storage and then sell off the rest to e-mail themselves that inf', or they can just make a whole new character using one of their 1,000 character slots per server and have a character to funnel resources to them. I am not thinking of something completely different than you, I am telling you what options to do exactly what you want are. Because what happens when that player that wants to only have one character decides (s)he/they wants to play their original character? Well, per your presentation, that character is gone and that player has to start that character over from level 1. And I really don't see anyone being willing to do that.

[Rudra]

Just now, BEASTCORE said:

“There are so many requests for this. I do not feel like rehashing this topic again”

… no one is asking you to.

You did. The moment you posted a suggestion on the forums you invited everyone to discuss it. That is you asking people to rehash a topic that has been discussed into the ground. Please just go do a search and read through the discussions.

[BEASTCORE]

3 minutes ago, Rudra said:

I came here to tell you that what you want has been discussed repeatedly and you can read through those discussions anytime you want.

Im trying to look through respec topics. I cant find anyone suggesting what I am. Unless im looking wrong (which is very possible). Im also kind of confused at to why the idea isnt even entertained and is instead presented with “why dont you just..” which turns into a “make a new toon”.  I know a LOT of friends/players that would love to pick new powers for their mains, while keeping badges, etc.

[BEASTCORE]

Just now, BEASTCORE said:

Im trying to look through respec topics. I cant find anyone suggesting what I am. Unless im looking wrong (which is very possible). Im also kind of confused at to why the idea isnt even entertained and is instead presented with “why dont you just..” which turns into a “make a new toon”.  I know a LOT of friends/players that would love to pick new powers for their mains, while keeping badges, etc.

A respec needs a respec recipe (after x amount of free uses). It could be a very rare item drop with hefty pricetag. Or something along those lines, just spitballin. 

[Rudra]

11 minutes ago, BEASTCORE said:

Im trying to look through respec topics. I cant find anyone suggesting what I am. Unless im looking wrong (which is very possible). Im also kind of confused at to why the idea isnt even entertained and is instead presented with “why dont you just..” which turns into a “make a new toon”.  I know a LOT of friends/players that would love to pick new powers for their mains, while keeping badges, etc.

 

Here's three for you. (Edit: And the first one of those even includes links to additional discussions on the topic you can read through.)

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Rudra

[imzadi]

1 minute ago, BEASTCORE said:

A respec needs a respec recipe (after x amount of free uses). It could be a very rare item drop with hefty pricetag. Or something along those lines, just spitballin. 

Why would you do that? It would just make it harder for people to play around with their toon concept?

[BEASTCORE]

Just now, imzadi said:

Why would you do that? It would just make it harder for people to play around with their toon concept?

To change your power sets to new ones. My idea is that its not meant to be easy. Make it difficult enough so that refilling toons is still a thing. The enntiirree idea is that its meant for end-game characters or people with access to a lot of $$$ or aethers/merits.

[BEASTCORE]

Just now, BEASTCORE said:

To change your power sets to new ones. My idea is that its not meant to be easy. Make it difficult enough so that refilling toons is still a thing. The enntiirree idea is that its meant for end-game characters or people with access to a lot of $$$ or aethers/merits.

Rerolling*

[MTeague]

If the devs want to add this, that is their prerogative. 

But it's really not difficult to just roll a new alt, nor is it that difficult to max level them to 50 if you want it now-dangit-now instead of enjoying the ride. 

[BEASTCORE]

1 minute ago, MTeague said:

If the devs want to add this, that is their prerogative. 

But it's really not difficult to just roll a new alt, nor is it that difficult to max level them to 50 if you want it now-dangit-now instead of enjoying the ride. 

Its not really about being too lazy to level the toon. I think people are missing my point (kind of). Its about characters that have a ton of badges or whatever the case and want to play a new set on THAT character. Or say a powerset was nerfed for your main toon. Have the ability to PAY to change it. I have many level 50s, im aware its not hard to make a new toon. Thats an entirely differently thing im referring to. I know this game is donation based and obviously if its a lot of coding for someone then dont waste the time. But i almost bet.. if there was a poll - people would vote yes to have the ability one way or anything to change their level 50s powersets and keep their accomplishments. (Thats my opinion of course).

[lemming]

The way characters are in the server, Origin, Primary, and Secondary are locked in.   I don't know the details, but apparently it's just not feasible with how the DB, etc... are setup.    I think there's a slew of things that would be cool to do, but would take a massive undertaking to adjust because of how the game was initially setup.

 

And yes, this has been discussed to death.   People would love it, but it's not going to happen.

[Major_Decoy]

1 hour ago, lemming said:

The way characters are in the server, Origin, Primary, and Secondary are locked in.   I don't know the details, but apparently it's just not feasible with how the DB, etc... are setup.    I think there's a slew of things that would be cool to do, but would take a massive undertaking to adjust because of how the game was initially setup.

 

And yes, this has been discussed to death.   People would love it, but it's not going to happen.

 

Yeah. As I recall, there was a statement to the effect of "Even if it reset your level to one and you had to re-level yourself all the way to fifty so you'd still learn the set by playing it, we don't know how to allow those to be changed."

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

Guys and gals:

 

Please keep the conversation civil without insulting each other.

 

It's OK to point out that similar topics have been discussed.  It's not OK to make it personal.

[srmalloy]

3 hours ago, BEASTCORE said:

My idea is that its not meant to be easy. Make it difficult enough so that refilling toons is still a thing.

To use a line a friend of mine used back when I was playing D&D (before AD&D), "Making something difficult is no substitute for making it impossible." Changing the primary and secondary powersets on a character is already impossible; that's as difficult as you can make it. 

[The Trouble]

Step 1: Log in to the character you want to be "Super Respec-ed".  Save their costume.

Step 2: Log out and rename them.

Step 3: Create a new character.  Load the saved costume.  Give them the old name.

Step 4: As you level this character, go ahead and reacquire the badges you left behind.

 

Congrats, you just saved 2 billion 🙂

[Jacke]

In Repeat Offenders, there was one good Player who, when they found out about Shutdown, quit City of Heroes and has never played it again.

 

They went on to play DC Universe Online.  After City and Star Wars: The Old Republic, the game I've played the most is DCUO as they are a good friend and I would play the game for a while.  But eventually I'd end my subscription (you really have to subscribe to DCUO after getting to Level 30 to experience the Endgame) and go back to City, because City is the game that has my heart.

 

One day they mentioned a recent paid item you could get in DCUO: I forget what it's called in DCUO (or even if it's still available), but iit's effectively an Ultimate Respec.  My rememberance of DCUO is weak, but it was the equivalent of changing everything in City, including your AT and Primary and Secondary Powersets.  I don't know if my friend has indulged in using it, but it is interesting that the DCUO devs at the time thought there was a market for such an item.

 

This means it's kind of similar to what @BEASTCORE is suggesting.  And as @The Trouble has pointed out, you can sort of do that via a Reroll.

 

I have done a number of Rerolls of Toons in City.  Often to change some of the AT and the Primary and Secondary Powersets.  Some Toons have gone through several over the years.

 

I've also Rerolled Toons just to change their Origin.  Because the one I picked initially years ago wasn't right for my concept of the Toons.  Something that now just has an effect on some texts in some conversations in some missions in the game.  But I had to change the Origin to put it right.  And could only do that via Reroll.

 

Now, on the other hand, the Suggested Item of this thread is being sold partly as a massive Influence Sink, as well as giving Players something that some of them would want for some of their Toons.  I've thought of ideas for new Influence Sinks too.

 

Except Homecoming City appears to not need Influence Sinks at this moment.  Pre-Shutdown, the game had gone through some Inflation, as the Supply of Inf was growing but the Supply of Stuff to spend Inf on wasn't growing as fast.  As the prices of Luck Charms was in the range of 100,000's to Millions of Inf, Rare Salvage was always in the Millions of Inf, and PvP Recipes sold off-market for Billions of Inf.  I assume the Inflation had reduced or near stopped, because I took note of at least the Luck Charms and the Rare Salvage and though they shifted in price over a range, that range didn't seem to creep up.

 

On Homecoming, through methods and new features including Inf Sinks but also included Merit Purchase Possibilities (which puts ceiling on the effective Price of most items in the game) and other things like Upgrading SOs on the Enhancement Screen, Inflation has been more that vanquished, as the price of many items on the Auction House has declined over the 6+ years of Homecoming, though there still are fluctuations.

 

Such a massive Inf Sink as suggested in this thread isn't really needed.  And as @The Trouble has pointed out, you can sort of do that via a Reroll.

 

And as I am a strong example, Players are willing to do Rerolls when they need to change unchangeable parts of a Toon.

 

 

[Glacier Peak]

I found out the hard way (twice!) that getting a character to Level 50+Incarnates unlocked and fully enhancing in the ball park of billions of influence then trying it out in content is a big waste of time.

 

I have since changed how I make characters to save myself from this waste of my time. I concept craft (costume, backstory, theme), decide what I want to play, create the build in advance on Mids, log in to the Beta shard and instant Level up to 50 and all Incarnates unlocked and infinite inf to build out the character, then I run it through my favorite content and learn it's pros and cons, then modify the build in Mids some more, and retest on the Beta shard. Once I've got it about right, I'll create it on Indomitable and have fun.

Edited 2 hours ago by Glacier Peak

[Ukase]

So, I get what the OP wants. 

I have a "main" with all the badges. Ice/ice. 

But, it's not my main. Not really. I like playing it. I've played that character, if I count the hours on retail..literally thousands of hours. 

Right now, I am really liking fire/earth, ice/MC and fire/MC. 
Ice/earth, for whatever reason just doesn't seem as good to me as ice/mc or fire/earth. 

In any event - today, if I could, I would change my "main" from ice/ice to ice/mc. Or Fire/mc. (ice really, really needs a snipe. It kills me that a stalker can get an ice snipe, (frozen spear) but an ice blaster can't) 

The memory of so much frustration in getting all those badges on another character, even though I know I could eventually do it again, the juice isn't worth the squeeze. For what? Nobody genuflected before me when I got them on Ukase. I don't see it happening if I do it again. And even if they did...what's that going to do for me? Not much. 

2 billion inf? Even if I could, why? I can just play the current ice/mc or fire/mc or fire/earth. 
Or I can play any of the several fire/natties and ice/natties I've made.

If the HC devs wanted to make this happen, I think that'd be fine - if it were simple. Candidly, I doubt there would be more than 50 people that would want to do this. Now, I could certainly be wrong. Oh, and of those 50, maybe half of those have enough inf to make that transaction without sweating the loss of inf. 

I've got more inf than I can possibly spend if no inf sinks are produced, if my current habits continue. But I balk at spending over 2k for uncommon salvage. You want me to pay 2B for what? Nah. I'm a hoarder at heart. I make the inf and just stash it. My best contribution to fight in-game inflation. 

[TheZag]

I dont think its a matter of if the devs want to or not.  I think they literally cant without rewriting a substantial portion of the game engine.  Certain aspects of your character are written to the database and were never intended to be changed by the original devs.  This is partly because some areas of the game are different based on your origin or AT (mostly what contact or selectable title you will get).  Your primary and secondary powersets are included in this non-alterable character data.

 

I dont think its impossible for the game to be able to alter your powersets but right now it would be like asking city of heroes to head to the store and buy ingredients for a cake,  bake and decorate that cake and serve it to you.  The programming literally isnt there.  Its not a case of players being denied an accessable feature.