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I can probably find time to put something together but some notes/questions. Are you looking for minmaxed regeneration rate with no regard for how effective that actually is, or are you more looking for raw durability. There is a point, easily hit, where its easier to increase your effective hp per second than it is to increase you actual hp per second. Also are you looking to just make a passive regen build or active. Passive builds focus on making the set as durable as possible with minimal use of clicks, whiel active sets lean int othe click nature of the set and take more click powers. What travel power or other flavor powers would you want / want to avoid?

I do believe there are technical issues in play here. Namely the issue is that SG bases are instances just like missions are, and the system doesn't really allow for the transition from one to another. I would love to have this, but if the technical hurdles are significant enough to significantly delay other projects, im content to deal without.

It could be added to the combat log the same way to hit checks are. "Has x% cance to crit, rolled y%" for each power, then you get the required granularity for different crit rates

I suppprt this because going full auto, firing a flamethrower, and gernades, with a lever action rifle, ammuses the shit put of me.

Generally the community rp discords, the homecoming discord, and this thread, are great ways to find an active SG For my part I am one of the co-leads for Invictus Academy and we are very active both in game and in discord with close ties with several other SGs on Everlasting. If you'd like to come take a look around and say hi, feel free, our discord is open invitation for guests. https://discord.gg/JpTyu7t9kW

+30% for AoE +65% for single starget https://cod.uberguy.net/html/power.html?power=scrapper_defense.ninjitsu.shinobi-iri&at=scrapper

Stuff like this is why I proposed this earlier but it didnt get alot of traction, i assume because everyone looked and went "yeah thatd be nice" and move on. But yeah to get pets ontop of you you gotta manually click the ground with goto or spam the follow key

This also assumed having the passive accolades. If you find you just hate revive or need the end its easy to swap revive for quick recovery and move a slot from stamina to it for power transfer and performance shifter procs

I'm pretty sure we understand, and I get what yer going for but the problem is it doesnt actually solve the issue. So if the power doesnt turn off on its own like Hybrid Slot Incarnates, its a toggle, theres no choice, this is only using it as a toggle. Unless the end cost is made absurd which would be a whole other discussion, people would just build to keep it on all the time. If it DOES turn off on its own like Hybrid Slot Incarnates, its got some value in your suggestion that it can be detoggled early to recharge sooner, but that wont make people who want Instant Healing to be a toggle happy, itll just make it a marginally more flexible power. People want Instant Healing to be a toggle because they don't want to manage the power. If they have to keep reactivating the power then they still have the same complaint. Now Arcadio proposed a cycling rate like many phasing powers where youd toggle it and get say 90 seconds of Instant Healing and then 90 seconds of little to nothing and itd just cycle between the two with no player input. That has merit if combined with the recharge changes you are suggesting but its still a really janky solution.

Alright here is what I put together @Deadfear4, note this wont be a cheap build, and id recommend something closer to @DocMidknight's suggestion if you prefer a safer, more relaxed build, but this should be able to really push the sets. Its probably not perfect, but I was able to apply a lot of the lessons iv learned tweaking my own. Some notes on the build. The HamiOs in Shadow Meld can be replaced by defense/recharge IOs with only a little loss if they are pricey (53 Hamios require 4 50 Hamios each so that been 120 mil per enhancement for me before) The main loss there is even if you +5 those IOs you'll be 2 seconds short of a perfect Meld -> MoG -> Meld rotation. Open fights with Shadow Meld and you should be fine for eating Alphas. Make sure to +5 the enhancements in Dull Pain so as to make it perma. I recommend that for everything but if you prefer to Attune for more power while exemplar then just make sure you +5 that and Hasten and any enhancements that don't scale down like purples. This will keep double Follow Up rolling of course, and proc rates on Gaussian's and Critical Strikes should be fairly high ( 16.89% ( better than a toggle still ) and 67.56% respectively ) Ideal single target rotation will be something like ( Follow Up --> Focus --> Slash --> Shockwave --> Focus ) Though add Moonbeam in instead of Shockwave periodically to fish for Decimate procs. This will pull something around 350 dps before factoring everything in so id expect 400-450 in a pylon test with these incarnates. Endurance should be able to handle around a minute of that rotation with perfect execution, longer with gaps. Ageless and MoG will solve any end problems, (Yes MoG is an end tool, yes its weird.) Incarnates, you are good for what i have here, Musculature Core Alpha, Reactive Radial Interface (or any moderate dot, the damage beats the other options), Assault Core Hybrid. Make sure to take Ageless Radial Destiny for the debuff resist, debuffs are what will kill you the most, hence why i jammed so much slow resist. Judgment and Lore are up to you, though Vorpal Radial or better Void Radial Judgments are my preferences. Also if you pick up Melee Radial Hybrid, since you already have provoke, you can do a DAMNED convincing job pretending to be a tank with it. Anyways here the build feel free to poke me if you have questions, its similar to my build live save it skips my teleport powers for more passive durability. This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.0.5.5 https://github.com/Reborn-Team/MidsReborn Click this DataLink to open the build! Talon X: Level 50 Technology Scrapper Primary Power Set: Claws Secondary Power Set: Regeneration Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Presence Power Pool: Leadership Power Pool: Speed Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery Hero Profile: Level 1: Strike (A) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Recharge (7) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (7) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Recharge/Critical Hit Bonus (48) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative) Level 1: Fast Healing (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal (5) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance Level 2: Reconstruction (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal (5) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime Level 4: Kick (A) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge Level 6: Provoke (A) Accuracy IO Level 8: Follow Up (A) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage (9) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (9) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance (11) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative) (11) Superior Critical Strikes - RechargeTime/+50% Crit Proc (13) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up Level 10: Dull Pain (A) Recharge Reduction IO (37) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime Level 12: Slash (A) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage (13) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge (36) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge (36) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative) (37) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative) (37) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff Level 14: Tough (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance (15) Reactive Armor - Endurance/Recharge (15) Reactive Armor - Resistance (17) Reactive Armor - Endurance (17) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3% Level 16: Integration (A) Panacea - Heal/Endurance (19) Panacea - Endurance/Recharge (19) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge (34) Panacea - Heal (36) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance Level 18: Spin (A) Armageddon - Damage (40) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (40) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge (42) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage (42) Eradication - Chance for Energy Damage (43) Fury of the Gladiator - Chance for Res Debuff Level 20: Resilience (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance (21) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge (21) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge (27) Reactive Armor - Resistance (27) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All) Level 22: Maneuvers (A) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance (23) Shield Wall - Endurance/Recharge (23) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance/Recharge (25) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All) (25) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 24: Focus (A) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage (39) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (39) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime (40) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge Level 26: Intimidate (A) Accuracy IO Level 28: Instant Healing (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal (29) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance (29) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime (33) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime (34) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance (34) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb Level 30: Weave (A) Reactive Defenses - Defense/Endurance (31) Reactive Defenses - Endurance/RechargeTime (31) Reactive Defenses - Defense/Endurance/RechargeTime (31) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage (33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed (33) Kismet - Accuracy +6% Level 32: Shockwave (A) Artillery - Accuracy/Damage (43) Artillery - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (43) Artillery - Accuracy/Recharge/Range (45) Bombardment - Chance for Fire Damage (46) Annihilation - Chance for Res Debuff (46) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge Level 35: Revive (A) Recharge Reduction IO Level 38: Moment of Glory (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed (39) Recharge Reduction IO Level 41: Hasten (A) Recharge Reduction IO (42) Recharge Reduction IO Level 44: Unrelenting (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime (45) Panacea - Heal/Recharge (45) Numina's Convalesence - 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It took till the end of the post to piece together what the hell you meant. You are suggesting IH work like a hybrid incarnate where you toggle it on and it auto detoggles at the end of its duration. I have no problems with that in concept but it wont make togglers happy, togglers want IH toto be a toggle either because it was stupid strong when it was, or because they want it to be set and forget. A timed shutdown is different from a click power solely in that its end cost is ongoing and it can be ended earlier, nome of which are things anyone cares much for it seems? But im with ya for some of the end notes more debuff resist please

Ill try to put an example together tomorrow after work. Meld can be combined with high recharge and MoG to create a 45 second period of defnese caps. If you get s/l and energy caped without it it loses value. However it makes a great Alpha soak due to being a fast recharge and having no rooting so you use it as you run in. It also works well to stop defense cascades. Unrelenting when properly slotted is identical to Instant healing in hp/s but because its healing and not regen it punches through -regen which can be valuable due to many sources of -regen being -1000%. With high enough recharge all your clicks together can layer into an endless cycle and can be stacked when needed. Its a very active playstyle but the net result is much stronger if you play it well. That said many people dont want to put that much effort into surviving which is why a more passive build is hardly a bad thing.

Definitely a solid build, I think you can get more out of the damage side with minimal loses but that likely woudl require dropping the defense cap in favor of Unrelenting and Shadow Meld to give bursts. This will do great for a more relaxed passive play style where you can just sit back and go burr on mobs. End is still a bit more than id personally recommend but not vastly so and you seem to have good enhancing for it. I use this for refrence to help keep track of optimal end slotting @Deadfear4 My only real complaint about the build is the Critical Strikes proc could be better placed, Spin is actually a great place for it in PvE content since the proc will check on every target hit reducing the proc rate loss from being in an AoE. Claws in general suffers from how to place that proc though.

I should also add that the Sudden Accelerations are unneeded, those attacks wont be launching any mobs anywhere unless they are below your level and subject to the purple patch modifiers. https://hcwiki.cityofheroes.dev/wiki/Knockback https://hcwiki.cityofheroes.dev/wiki/Purple_Patch

You are very over invested in endurance, i see a lot of Regen builds go strait for Physical Perfection, but if you look at its benefits they are very minor. Your endurance income is so high here that before factoring in Performance Shifter or Panacea you are at a net positive while cranking out your optimal dps rotation. Realistically being able to go for 2 minutes non stop is a very end efficient build so you ultimately are leaving value on the table. Keep in mind its rare you wont have a few seconds of down time regualrly. Superior Critical Strikes in Spin isnt a bad idea but the massive recharge slotting s holding it back, that proc rate will be slow. I often only use the proc itself from that set, and you could double up on two sets of 3 of Scrapper's Strike for defense. As for regen itself slotting +resist into Moment of Glory is a waste, MoG will take you to resistance caps all on its own, the only thing it needs is recharge. You are also missing Gladiator's Armor, and both Shield Wall and Reactive Defenses which give global defense and resistances for a single slot each. I wish I had a claws/regen build on hand but i don't, i could sort something for you if you don't mind the wait. In the mean time ill post my current Katana/Regen build which can handle basically anything. Its sub optimal since i jamed so many flavor powers in but replace the teleport powers with the usual kick/tough/weave and you are good to go Also ill link mid's reborn's site as you appear to be using an outdated version? https://midsreborn.com/ This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.0.5.5 https://github.com/Reborn-Team/MidsReborn Click this DataLink to open the build! Final Glint Revision 9.1: Level 50 Technology Scrapper Primary Power Set: Katana Secondary Power Set: Regeneration Power Pool: Teleportation Power Pool: Presence Power Pool: Leadership Power Pool: Speed Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery Hero Profile: Level 1: Gambler's Cut (A) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage (7) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge (9) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Recharge/Critical Hit Bonus Level 1: Fast Healing (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal (7) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance Level 2: Reconstruction (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal (3) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime Level 4: Teleport (A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%) Level 6: Provoke (A) Accuracy IO Level 8: Divine Avalanche (A) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Recharge (15) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (9) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge (11) Reactive Defenses - Defense (11) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage (15) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 10: Dull Pain (A) Recharge Reduction IO (39) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime (48) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime Level 12: Build Up (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff (13) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge (25) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance (27) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance (27) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance (29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up Level 14: Combat Teleport (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 16: Integration (A) Panacea - Heal/Endurance (17) Panacea - Endurance/Recharge (17) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge (45) Panacea - Heal (46) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance Level 18: The Lotus Drops (A) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage (19) Superior Avalanche - Damage/Endurance (19) Superior Avalanche - Recharge/Chance for Knockdown (43) Fury of the Gladiator - Chance for Res Debuff (45) Superior Critical Strikes - RechargeTime/+50% Crit Proc (45) Eradication - Chance for Energy Damage Level 20: Resilience (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance (21) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge (21) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge (23) Reactive Armor - Resistance (23) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All) (29) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance Level 22: Maneuvers (A) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance (31) Shield Wall - Endurance/Recharge (31) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance/Recharge (33) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All) (33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed (49) Kismet - Accuracy +6% Level 24: Intimidate (A) Nightmare - Accuracy/Fear (25) Accuracy IO Level 26: Soaring Dragon (A) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (40) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge (40) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance (42) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative) (43) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage (43) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge Level 28: Instant Healing (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal (33) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance (34) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime (34) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime (34) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance (36) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb Level 30: Hasten (A) Recharge Reduction IO (31) Recharge Reduction IO Level 32: Golden Dragonfly (A) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (37) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance (37) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage (37) Armageddon - Damage (39) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff (40) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge Level 35: Moonbeam (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage (36) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance (36) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge (50) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance Level 38: Moment of Glory (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3% (46) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed (39) Recharge Reduction IO Level 41: Shadow Meld (A) HamiO:Membrane Exposure (42) HamiO:Membrane Exposure (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 44: Revive (A) Recharge Reduction IO Level 47: Unrelenting (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime (47) Panacea - Heal/Recharge (47) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Recharge Level 49: Teleport Target (A) Range IO Level 1: Critical Hit Level 1: Brawl

My thoughts for the most part minus some of the sass. I really don't think KB is that big an issue and the current "solution" is fine. Any other option, save maybe Teirusu's suggestion of kb damage, threatens to make what few issues there are much worse.

As an aside, the more i experiment with Second Wind in particular the more i hate it. The requirement to be low health to get a real benefit from it means you have to be super risky with it to get optimal use, which while i in theory should love, the pay off just isn't worth it. At best it works as your priority heal that you use instead of reconstruction when its available to get a little durability boost. The actual raw +HP given isn't worth the risk because its not enough to vastly boost you hp total even when nearly dead, and the additional hp/s gained from the +hp is similarly unimpressive. This is made MUCH worse by the fact that Instant Regeneration has no max hp scaling the way Instant Healing does. Seriously i actually think Sentinals got boned with their regen and i don't understand why its always pointed to as a positive. The only thing its got going for it is you can, with optimal slotting get something like 2500 absorb+hp with a perfect Second Wind, which would translate to something like 3k on a Scrapper ideally. But realistically closed to ~2200 for sent and like ~2600 scrapper. At best this lessons the "regen cant take alpha strikes" issue which iv yapped on plenty about how thats really a tiny issue compared to the rest of the problems the set has as its solved by poping a fast cooldown.

I WANT to support this wholeheartedly, but this actually exasperates one of the primary complaints. With KB made demonstratively better than KB->KD due to damage you set up a fight between two metas. The solo optimal damage meta, and the group AoE meta. This change, as much as I LOVE it, would encourage more strife between KB users and KB haters, not less. Now i don't think that issue is THAT bad, but i primarily play on Everlasting where this sort of thing seems to be less important to the playerbase than their next costume change sooooo.... If people are more chill on other servers than some of these threads have implied, then pack it, ship it. Otherwise yeah, issue.

You've picked solid sets across the board. None of them have special interactions of any kind either. if there are ranked by your prefrence? Go right for that Claw/EA, youll do great.

Course not, I'm saying i don't trust their applicability without looking at a built atm, particularly as they are inherently not 1 to 1 as regen is based on reducing the time it takes to go from 1hp to full, which means your hp/s is vastly different between the two ATs. That said none of my points are affected by it one way or the other.

First, I dont trust those numbers, no offense. Second doing flat number comparisons is a bad idea since as different ATs the values wouldnt match when ported. Thirdly 31% regen is barely more than a numinas, I won't lose any sleep and you wont be appreciably more durable. And again this doesnt address ANY of regens issues except the minor Alpha one. Lastly, Instant Healing's duration ensures its pretty rare that itll be down when you need it. More often deaths are caused by not using it when its available than because it wasnt. I was there when IH was a toggle and I actually prefer the click now because ita an active choice on when I need it. Which is not even most fights on +4x8 And again instant regen is an absorb not effected by current max hp and Dismiss Pain cannot reach the sentinal, much less a scrappers hp cap. Infact sentinal regen still is expected to maintain Dull Pain, its just called Last Wind. Now yer welcome to continue to disagree, opinions are opinions, bit i really do hate this suggestion because it does not solve the problems I see with the set while undermining the things I like about it. P.S. If ya need numbers ill abliage after iv had time, IRL is a pain lately.

Absolutely not for several reasons. Ill assume they are scaled up for melees for these. Firstly, Dismiss Pain due to being a passive is MASSIVELY weaker, and if we were to take the values of Dull Pain and just make it a passive we don't gain anything, we actually LOSE a healing tool. As it is, it is very easy to perma Dull Pain, to the point you do not need hasten and can be accomplished with minimal slotting. Additionally its +hp is so significant that most builds i do for anything other than Brute hit the HP cap with no +healing slotted in Dull Pain, even though I'm not intentionally building for +hp sets. Secondly, Instant Regeneration cannot be scaled to Instant Healing, it has to be weaker both due to it being a toggle and because due to it being absorb it boosts the build's Effective HP when Instant Healing does not. This GREATLY complicates balancing the power on top of the much more minor fact that i don't like Absorb as a solution for Regen aesthetically, but that's a minor quibble. As it is Instant Regeneration would be much weaker and gives up the ability to be much stronger for a period of time allowing you to make meaningful choices in a fight. Additionally as it is absorb it is not effected by max hp buffs which means you get less out of Dismiss Pain and Instant Regeneration together, there is no synergy while Dull Pain and Instant Healing have direct synergy. Thirdly, The only way to hit HP cap which effects the regeneration of all other powers as previously stated is to use Second Wind, which while a valiant attempt to make Revive more appealing, suffers from being a bit of a false choice between being more durable by permaing it, or being available to get back up. If this was more of an active decision than it is it would be more appealing. **EDIT** Additionally i forgot to include that the only problem the set has that is solved by the Sentinal version is taking Alpha strikes, a problem easily compensated for by proactive use of other defensive cooldowns. Sentinal version just takes it without having to think or prepare. The Alpha issue is by far the smallest of Regen's problems, such as they are.

Please dear gods in the dev studio let this never happen. I don't think I will ever articulate how much i hate that idea, i would be fine with literally nearly anything else but not this.

Id also note the reason for the penalty if you dont do damage to the mobs is thinks like the other night where I had a Dominator save a 3 man recluse TF by perma confusing Yin who easly murdered the rest of the Phalanx. Hell our first pull we didnt target Positron and he just fuckin died next to me. Put simply the penalty is there solely so you don't let them do ALL the fighting. As others have said, lobg as you are doing damage the net result is a positive

I mean then itd be more consistent and controlable add a tiny damage buff to compensate for the chase and positioning time and I'll roll a new energy blaster soon as the patch drops