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p.sure the AMA's were Paragon after the game closed.

I take issue with the term "purist" because just simply by playing the current version of CoH you're already too far detached to be an actual purist of anything, everything without exception has changed dramatically since launch. I also take issue with "You're forcing your opinions on people" on the forum literally meant for you to push your ideas on people. Theres a correct way to do it, inviting discussion and accepting criticism and a wrong way to do it, yelling at clouds about people not knowing anything and making assumptions about what they do and do not play. I made one of these mistakes earlier and apologized for it myself so it does happen and can be corrected.

I meant the opposition to my opinion no disrespect. Just as I'm apart of the opposition to your opinion. Yeah of course there is many people who don't comment on all sides. Hence what I mean by vocal minorty. Cant speak on behalf of everyone no matter what.

Not you on EF, the other person who made the dev time comment. Also, I see the opposition here and everywhere else, even so vocal minority. It wouldn't fix the set to a lot of people, which is a fact yes. Just like how it would fix it for you is a fact. That's how personal opinions work. What it wouldn't fix objectively is it being out classes in ST and AoE still.

Impossible to tell and I'm uninterested in just assuming, I remember old EM though and it wouldn't fix the set. Not to say things other than a mechanic wouldn't but just a revert won't fix anything.

Yikes. Thinking this of stalkers just big yikes. Also the mechanic does exist and won't take dev time. It's the energy assault gimmick you can play right now. Is a good example of things that need reworked yes. @Troo you keep using imaginary people to support your dislike of a change that you haven't played. The tiny vocal minority on both forums and discord is not a defining point for or against any one side. More people spoke in support of em changes on disc then there are people in this topic combined. So if we go just off vocal minority you wouldn't like it. Time and data will have to speak for itself. Still away replies will be spaced.

You wouldn't be getting what you want. But i hope you'd at least be open to trying it out without going in with a bias to instantly dislike it. Even if we don't get something like EF, as long as EM gets attention and the set feels better to play I'm happy with whatever they try. Nothing. The weekly discussion on the discord was heavily in favor of a new mechanic to solve the issues, adding something other than 1-4 combat and addressing concerns at the same time. It's a larger discussion in real time you should come by and get involved! not that the forums aren't also an excellent place to voice opinions/give feedback. I feel I've said what i could, I won't be around to respond to stuff for awhile so i leave with the final thought of scrapper EM please. please?

I do see it from your side, I'm sorry if im not conveying that. Though i do agree, our opinions on how to update the set are likely to remain different. I just hope you're able to see where I and many people are coming from on the EF bandwagon side of this. My suggestion would keep the current animation time, unless you have an Energy Focus proc which would revert it to a quicker version. All EF would do is just change specific powers for a 1 time use until it procs again doing either a faster ET, more damage for whirling, or a cone stun. Not all at the same time or in rapid succession mostly as a way to keep the set as is but also fix some of the common complaints. Like i said above though, I could see how some people could view it as limiting and would just prefer a revert / damage increase instead of needing to pay attention to a new mechanic. Whatever they choose to do though, I am willing and open to testing and discussing how it has changed the set either for the best or worst and go from there.

and like that the conversation is over. This is pretty rude and dismissive and a sign that its time to move on.

It's still the same family and also wasn't a live change, It's a HC change. So I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen. I also still don't really agree with you that it would be bad for EM since the overall gimmick is at its core just a damage increase. A lot of this seems to be general fear mongering of change without ever giving it a chance to be tested or even discussed, which to me is more dangerous for this game in the long run than anything else. Theres a lot of things that are relics of a City of Heroes that is long gone and could use an update to fit the current state of the game. That doesn't mean removing identity or changing the sets beyond recognition, it just means updating lack luster things to include the modern mechanics of the game (Absorb for example). Which is something that would have happened had the coh devs had more time. See t9 overhauls for a prime example of updating sets that never got to happen. A prime example of this is also Blasters. Blasters are in a much better place because of Nuke/Snipe/Sustain changes. Most of the sets got a completely new power to support their update to the entire AT and the class is objectively better for it. Change isn't always bad.

I don't disagree with you that the alternative route is also fine. However, I think both routes is gonna take a lot of testing. I can see how the added need could change it for some people though, when you word it like that. You make a pretty good point. It's entirely possible EF could over complicate the set if the solution is as easy as just raising damage on a couple powers. The problem with reverting ET, raising the damage on whirling hands is its possible the set could over-preform and will require very delicate balancing to prevent over-preforming. I'm okay with both options, though my preference would be something a little more exciting like the newer sets. EM for scrappers i think is a pretty agreed upon topic at least. 🙂

Nobody is suggesting your preference be completely reworked. Adding a mechanic that has already improved energy assault without changing its core functions has already happened. Energy Assault feels exactly the same except its able to keep up. Doing the same for EM wouldn't take away anything from its current line up, only add to its resourcefulness. I'd love to hear exactly how adding that mechanic would actually harm the set for you, as i mentioned before it wouldn't even hurt your ability to choose a rotation. On a side note, It's pretty weird how different the conversation has gone in the discord compared to the forums. The poor devs have very loud outspoken opinions on the complete opposite end of the pool.

You know i tried to edit that part out after re-reading it and going "Well thats just rude and not helpful" but i guess i wasn't quite fast enough, apologies for the rude part of that.

Spoon handle. EM needs 2 of the three things this topic suggests it doesn't, Luckily, both are solved by one simple thing that's already in game and attached to an Energy set already. Energy Focus. That's the solution, It's already there and proven successful to better a set that needed help. Energy focus keeps the EM identity by using ST attacks to proc a mechanic to increase your singular AoE. You're still king of the ST while improving your ability to kill non-bosses quicker, solving the biggest complaint about EM other than the animation for ET. If you truly wanted it to go further, you could have Energy Focus make it so ET is an instant attack using up the EF, making EF procs situational and giving you the choice of improving your ST or your AoE. For you stun lovers, you could also include EF proc to increase your mag stun on the ability stun, giving it 3 choices per EF proc on which situational power you feel you need. (or alternatively, just EF increases stun mag across board on whatever ability you use) I saw earlier someone mentioned mechanics deciding your rotation for you. Luckily, EF solved that by making all non-effected powers capable of triggering EF so even if you like a specific opener, you can still do so to your hearts content. With multiple selections to use EF on, you also gain freedom to use effected powers without missing out on the benefit of EF. So fire away with whatever you'd like and you'll still benefit from it. At least thats my take on this whole EM discussion across all topics/discord.

A new snake-mook offshoot

this is the dream

I could see that but i mean. Snakes tho amirite seriously though, Positron is about the Vaz and a close second in lowbie danger is snakes. Could make for a good but challenging low level SF.

I like it, shouldn't be too hard to string some "Do this for Arachnos" missions together. Maybe possibly a snake/infected focused SF? Praetoria is kind of a story-based leveling experience and It's almost forced to be solo due to story arc locking. Making TF's for goldside kind of kills the point of goldside if you're just gonna bypass the story arcs.

Well that's pretty much the opposite of how i took previous comments. That's all well and fine when explained and pretty much what i was saying should be done anyway. thanks 🤗

I don't really get this keep it in the dark, hush hush stuff. Whats the harm in just saying whats coming up so people get excited

So basically, nothing fancy or anything just an alternative shield effect for the invuln/energy aura sets that is just using the effect from force field. Invuln / Energy aura i feel is a common pick for technology people to represent power armor or some other form of gadgets and it would be cool to be able to have an alternative effect for the shields that was just a bubble like personal force field.

Well see thats where confusion happens, "Live" generally refers to when the servers were live. Homecoming is usually HC servers, as it's not the only server.

The more i think about what Eran is saying the more i think I'm getting at what they're suggesting and i might have been reading their stuff wrong not the other way around. Prices being slightly higher isn't being seen as bad because the other prices aren't 100 million. If thats what you're saying, fair enough i get it. I still think converters rule the market and the change to influence being to stop inflation kind of cancel each other out a little.

I don't think I've ever spoken about the market until this thread. I've talked about powers, balancing, and IO's in general but never market value or salvage. you've got the wrong super or atom bub. Actually, i don't know if i've ever spoken outside of Feedback or suggestion sections... so... yikes

My initial complaint on converters you me in every other post Maybe your issue is you think I'm referring to people being rich on live? Cause I'm talking about this server not live. People being rich on this server has basically done a huge chunk of nothing because converters. Maybe that's a good thing by your posts, and I'm inclined to agree with you after our conversation but I still don't see how this has anything to do with influence not being what's controlling the market this time around, as i initially said.