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And I don't use Hand Clap, but I'm sure I've seen builds with procs that do damage, so you might also look into that. With the sheer numbers of baddies in ITF, every little bit helps.

I stand corrected (but it should be unique) 😁

Solid build, for sure. My go to for ITF is NUTCRCKR and the build is posted in this thread: (along with some great discussion about all-around builds). I went Pyre Mastery, for ST hold (Char) and debuff (Melt Armor), instead of Energy. Yes, I get blinded without FA, but just stomp my way through it 😁. Couple comments: -NUT never needs Dull Pain, so the PM +absorb and Rebirth incarnate aren't needed. I put PM +absorb in Health and Ageless for Destiny...if you're going to focus solely on ITF, I'd take the DDR version (Radial), mainly to help your teammates out. The debuffs on that TF are brutal. -I always try to find a slot for the Performance Shifter +End unique, which could go in Stamina or Physical Perfection. -Invincible is a great place for the Gaussian +Build Up, as it procs constantly. -I'd swap SGF and SBC from Jab and KOB, since the +absorb is (IMHO) more important than the hold. In Jab, it procs constantly. -The +psi damage proc (Perfect Zinger) is great in Taunt. The range Enh is nice, but extra damage is always appreciated. -Speaking of extra damage, I use six pieces of Hecatomb in Foot Stomp. With Hasten up, it recharges in >7 seconds already, so I'll take the extra damage over the FF +recharge. That allows me to use Kick, instead of Boxing, and put the FF proc there...even though it's just for $hits and Giggles, but I have a thing about empty slots, both in game and in Mid's. Just my $,02 influence

Mine is Fire/Thermal as I like the support aspect of Thermal. He's a wonderful addition to any team (if I do say so, myself) 😆.

I rarely use Granite, but on PLV, I have the UG Max HP and one piece of Reactive Defenses (Def/EndRdx/Rech), for those rare occasions that I use it.

It was my pleasure and what an awesome night and an honor to be on a team where TWO TT regulars dinged 50 (Witty Librarian's Ice/DB was the other). If you haven't experienced a Tanker Tuesday, I would encourage you to come check it out.

I'll be another to say any toon that is influence deficient, especially as it comes to buying and upgrading SOs, is their own lack of education. Merits to converters to cash. After running Posi, what do you think a new player is going to do with merits? Hopefully ask questions or check the forums. Couldn't be simpler and between @Yomo Kimyata, @Sovera and many others' guides, with simple and effective influence generation, it's a moot argument.

It does, but you can target through your pet, if you are targeted on their target.

Why I took Dark Miasma, for Thugs. As you note, kin works better with melee pets, so target transfusion through your Bruiser. If you can keep him perma-alive, it'll be alot easier for you.

I have nearly identically built Inv tanks, JAW with St.J and NUT with SS. I still play both, but almost always reach for SS first. Foot Stomp is just so ridiculously satisfying.

My pleasure.

I wasn't as concerned as positionals, as typed Def. As you note, Invinc, when saturated, pushes everything but Psi well over the cap. Using @Hyperstrike and @Infinitum frameworks, I made one (NUTCRCKR) as general purpose, including SG and dual-box fire farm support, plus Pyre mastery for ST hold (Char) and debuff (Melt Armor) and another (BALLBUSTR) with Energy mastery (FA only, so no Conserve Power or Physical Perfection) and Cross Punch, for another AOE. (Or you can make multiple builds on the same toon) Both can tank just about anything in the game (as evidenced by NUT main tanking on Ms. Lib TF and Lord Recluse SF at +4 this week. NUT https://www.midsreborn.com/builds/download.php?uc=1621&c=775&a=1550&f=HEX&dc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https://www.midsreborn.com/builds/download.php?uc=1612&c=772&a=1544&f=HEX&dc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ope that helps.

...so, I did. No dice. Frostee Freeze is fully IO'd, with all six pieces Sup. SOP in Arctic Air and all six pieces Sup. WoC in Glacier. Ran it at 45 (since I couldn't figure out how to drop the level to 41) with "no temps" criteria. Removed Frozen Armor, Flash Freeze and Incarnates from my tray (Vengeance was the only other >41 power), so as to not be tempted to use. Pulled and killed the entourage, spawned and buffed Jack and went to work. He couldn't kill us but we couldn't kill him, either. Granted, my secondary is Empathy, so had nothing other than Ice Control for damage...called it a draw, after about 5 min. I can also confirm that Ice Slick does not cause KD for CK AV.

We proved, last night, that with a couple Dark Melee, an Energy Melee...along with War Mace, SS (two of us), Savage and I dont' remember what else, did it easily without temp powers. I threw a couple of daggers, on the AVs that were taking longer, but weren't really needed for success, just to cut down the time. I have Melt Armor on NUT, so that, Blackwand and Diamagnetic incarnate were my only debuffs, but were obviously effective (we finished in 43 min 😁)

I switched the convo to MLTF, since that was the one the Tanker Tuesday group was running that night.

Grand fun, tks again for organizing BZB.

I'll do my best to make it, with NUTCRCKR.

But I did take it on NUT and JAW, just to mule Impervium Armor (five and four pieces, respectively)...

So I changed my mind and went with AVALNCH. As Ice, I was getting the majority of the aggro, without breaking a sweat, through all the AVs leading up to LR. Ghost Widow, Scirocco, Ice Mistral, Black Scorpion, Barracuda, Mako...all chumps. However, after the flyer, pulled LR to a far corner (did not hover taunt) and proceeded to get one-shotted. Only defeat on the team (other than Witty, who got ambushed by Ghost Widow), all night. Guess I'll stick with Inv and Stone for LR...

Great teaming with you! Hope you can get more Tuesday nights off 😆

And my experience with Ice Armor on Live was...let's just say "less than enjoyable". After reading more about Ice and cobbling together lots of variations and combinations, I came up with AVALNCH. Ice/Stone. He's a hoot and nearly unkillable... No EA, no ATO, no procs, no incarnates: https://www.midsreborn.com/builds/download.php?uc=1474&c=713&a=1426&f=HEX&dc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

Would depend on the mix and how many daggers eight tanks could throw 😆. Funny, I was just looking through my tanks to plan on tonight's event (probably at least one Ms. Liberty TF). Rarely do we run at +4 (unless Kilo is leading), for just about any TF, not because it can't be done but because it takes so damn long. I think I'll bring either NUT or PLV, as they are two of my sturdiest tanks, that aren't DPS monsters, to hold LR, so the better DPS tanks can take out the pylons.

I can't help you with Psi slotting, but I've found that most melee templates are like-enough to cross slot, by tier. Here's my SD/WM and yes, there is a significant difference in both positional defense and (especially) resistance values. Your affinity for procs, certainly affected that and, if things are dead, they can't hit back, so I'd say load yours up on the test server and see how it performs. If you need more survivability, you can check this out: https://www.midsreborn.com/builds/download.php?uc=1578&c=725&a=1450&f=HEX&dc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

On PLV, with FA single slotted (Encouraged Accuracy: To-Hit/End Redx), no other procs or incarnates (but all armors except Granite, Rooted, Tough, Weave and Maneuvers - all on), end use goes up from 1.86 to 2.55 (a 35% increase). Since his recovery is 3.38, I still need Ageless, even with Physical Perfection two slotted and Stamina three slotted, with FA on.

While I do have FA on some of my tanks and I do hate the blind mechanic/effect, I also agree that it's sometimes not worth the end cost. When blinded, I just spam AOEs 😆