Murcielago

That is incredible work and I applaud him doing it, but I can't think of anything more useless and it goes exactly to what I've always struggled with when it came to CoH's "tension" between casual and hard core players. Balancing always seems to be about what the twinked out power players with unlimited time and budget can possibly obtain. That's why things like Tar Patch are up less than half the time even ED-max slotted with SOs at lvl 50. There's no point in calling DM or Fire the winner if they are only a winner when all the power cycles pull the hardest hitting attack chain far outside the range of 98% of the player base. I don't blame the previous dev team or the current folks. In a sense this problem isn't solvable. I'm merely lobbying for things to be bent more towards that end of the base. I'm perfectly aware that doing that might mean that under just the right set of 1 billion IOs a Regen scrapper might again be immortal. I don't care, and like "farming" I really don't understand why anyone would care. Besides, think about it. If there really is some hero who has worked thousands of hours and honed their knowledge of the game to such an extent to become as powerful as Statesman, maybe it is OK that they are as powerful as Statesman. We are supposed to be their successors after all, right? Tension, sorry but this game unlike others has little tension between the high end user and the ones that just run SO's. Generally if you are coming to the forums you are looking for that type of information. Sorry I take offense to your post; I know this forum some of us go way back on the scrapper forums to the old days if you come and ask for general advice we give it if you ask high end questions we give it and if I come off like an arse so be it but every game there is always a subset that will maximize everything. The scrapper forum has always been a place for this type of discussion if you do not like it that is on you but do not us. Yeah if you want general advice we'll give it to you but the Scrapper forumite is usually the type of individual who min/maxes the crap out of their character.

Highest damage output I've ever seen was an Ill/Rad troller. Could solo GMs

Mother of god why????

I like the ones that add defense and recharge. I also like the ones that make me strong and pretty.

Dark/Shield but then again I'm biased.

I'm referring to these https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Very_Rare_IO_Sets

Is that an option now? I'm not at 50 yet so I can't see them in the vendor.

I'd like to have the option to buy SIOs will reward merits. It would allow solo players like myself the option to buy them through mission completions.

Another excuse for not using shield, it doesn't always fit the concept.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.962 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Murcielago: Level 50 Natural Scrapper Primary Power Set: Dark Melee Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense Power Pool: Leaping Power Pool: Leadership Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Speed Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery Hero Profile: Level 1: Smite (A) Accuracy IO (31) Accuracy IO (31) Damage Increase IO (43) Damage Increase IO (45) Recharge Reduction IO (50) Endurance Reduction IO Level 1: Deflection (A) Karma - Defense/Endurance (3) Kismet - Defense/Endurance (3) Defense Buff IO (5) Endurance Reduction IO (5) Resist Damage IO (7) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All) Level 2: Shadow Maul (A) Accuracy IO (23) Accuracy IO (39) Damage Increase IO (40) Damage Increase IO (40) Recharge Reduction IO (40) Endurance Reduction IO Level 4: Battle Agility (A) Karma - Defense/Endurance (15) Kismet - Defense/Endurance (17) Defense Buff IO (42) Defense Buff IO (42) Endurance Reduction IO (42) Endurance Reduction IO Level 6: Combat Jumping (A) Karma - Defense/Endurance (13) Kismet - Defense/Endurance (13) Defense Buff IO (15) Endurance Reduction IO Level 8: Siphon Life (A) Accuracy IO (43) Accuracy IO (43) Damage Increase IO (45) Damage Increase IO (46) Recharge Reduction IO (46) Endurance Reduction IO Level 10: Active Defense (A) Recharge Reduction IO (11) Recharge Reduction IO Level 12: True Grit (A) Healing IO (17) Healing IO (19) Resist Damage IO Level 14: Maneuvers (A) Karma - Defense/Endurance (19) Kismet - Defense/Endurance (21) Serendipity - Defense/Endurance (23) Defense Buff IO (27) Endurance Reduction IO Level 16: Kick (A) Accuracy IO Level 18: Dark Consumption (A) Accuracy IO (46) Accuracy IO (48) Recharge Reduction IO (48) Recharge Reduction IO Level 20: Tough (A) Endurance Reduction IO (21) Endurance Reduction IO (29) Resist Damage IO (31) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3% Level 22: Weave (A) Karma - Defense/Endurance (25) Kismet - Defense/Endurance (25) Serendipity - Defense/Endurance (27) Defense Buff IO (48) Endurance Reduction IO Level 24: Against All Odds (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 26: Soul Drain (A) Accuracy IO (29) Accuracy IO (33) Endurance Reduction IO (33) Recharge Reduction IO (33) Recharge Reduction IO (34) Recharge Reduction IO Level 28: Phalanx Fighting (A) Defense Buff IO Level 30: Super Speed (A) Celerity - +Stealth Level 32: Midnight Grasp (A) Accuracy IO (34) Accuracy IO (34) Damage Increase IO (37) Damage Increase IO (39) Recharge Reduction IO (39) Recharge Reduction IO Level 35: Shield Charge (A) Accuracy IO (36) Accuracy IO (36) Damage Increase IO (36) Damage Increase IO (37) Recharge Reduction IO (37) Recharge Reduction IO Level 38: Hasten (A) Recharge Reduction IO (50) Recharge Reduction IO (50) Recharge Reduction IO Level 41: Conserve Power (A) Recharge Reduction IO Level 44: Physical Perfection (A) Endurance Modification IO (45) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End Level 47: One with the Shield (A) Resist Damage IO Level 49: Grant Cover (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 1: Brawl (A) Accuracy IO Level 1: Critical Hit Level 1: Prestige Power Dash (A) Run Speed IO Level 1: Prestige Power Slide (A) Run Speed IO Level 1: Prestige Power Quick (A) Run Speed IO Level 1: Prestige Power Rush (A) Run Speed IO Level 1: Prestige Power Surge (A) Run Speed IO Level 1: Sprint (A) Run Speed IO Level 2: Rest (A) Recharge Reduction IO Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift (A) Run Speed IO Level 2: Health (A) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration (9) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery (11) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance Level 2: Hurdle (A) Jumping IO Level 2: Stamina (A) Endurance Modification IO (7) Endurance Modification IO (9) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End ------------

Rad/WP for -def and survivability. I'm not sure which of the new power sets have -regen but you're gonna need that too.

I forgot about that too! Holy cow that's crazy!

Hello all, Below is the link to the old boards from the wayback machine. I don't know if they're the most recent version but there's still a ton of good builds in it. http://web.archive.org/web/20120904105914/http://boards.cityofheroes.com/forumdisplay.php?f=594

Howdy! Got married, got divorced, remodeled my house, almost died, nothin' much. How are you? This is Santorican btw lol. Sounds like you've been living! I'm good! Got married, had a baby, ate the baby, move a few states and jobs.

You have more defense than you actually need, 45% is the softcap but a little more can't hurt to cover for any debuffs. You can switch out some of those defense bonuses for something else e.g. recharge, recov, regen, etc... Looks great though.

Yes, a shield/dark tank does well. It's not as defensive as some other primaries like Stone or WP but it does well.

Making a horrendous Ice/ice blaster and having someone tell me that I was a terrible blaster for not six slotting with 3 acc and 3 dmg in every power. Then ED hit and I had the last laugh/face plant.

Are you using this build for PvE or PvP?

Here is my Rev - of my set io build. It's expensive but it's not Purple/AO expensive. This will serve as my intermediate build until I can get the INF to fund it. | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1488;667;1334;HEX;| |78DA6D93CB4F5A4114C6EF858B08823C147C0B082A2A5EB5EDBA4D5AB5D14A6342D| |2455FE40646A0122017ACD25DFF856EBAEEA6CBFE676A9326DDF4418FF7FB40D340| |427E77BE3967CE376766F217BB816F4F3F3ED2F4F12775ABDD2E164AB6D56A29DBF| |BDCEA9CD9565D939F3F7F66976AAA6E559A5E19CEF4638A795557CADCB5EC537C26| |0633BBEA4435DACA2C5425AFDC1F460E1A5565AB46C7EC7F048E9BCDBA79A4AC56A| |D5109F5076565B7ABB556D019EFD72AD58ECCFA9D51A1A55439B2D7AA95CCC7CD72| |B798B7DA1D6577A7C5D7B2FCED1B83CEAFE7D15E0A160C6DF115F91A5C7F03E6DE8| |23B45D01F14EACC0DEB8EE68A91576E87C635F9031CB907B6BD4C955CFD97CBD1E2| |BFC1953FE0EA5FB2476AC81D93BA6ED435DCACEB67DDF17DC4840FC1B567605CEA7| |990E3F23027C09CAD49F04C62BCF4E43DE1DE2B64953DA8819BEFC85330289E7C58| |5FF36D400B8836469F6319D6CCD2E71E183E00A38760440C0491E30ED26774029CA| |4DFF84FACEF92D810FC6AA15968E7A2459CCEF68C08FB39CB7EAEB19F9BECE716FB| |E9969C09D69C88B3D614384FDF8BABA021B131C6C6E86F9AFEA6E96F8DFEC665FF5| |3BAE3459B4A41BB90FC19F8F3CCBC87367F0E262FC82EF9014C7D81DF90AC37C71E| |CF2D622E2DEB2DB0070B3EC475454BF01C133CC714CF31C573CCF01C57788E2B3CC| |788D45862EE12FDA5E92F4D7F69FACBD05F86E7BDE4C59BBAB963CBD476FE63415A| |9EA5DF2CB5AF527303FBD2373E610FB9CF6054E64CC69B39C48745DB661FB6D9D77| |963F08E358D7721610CDE676FFDEEFC26E6B787683B43B4FB43B40743B4A321DAB1| |3178E79ACEFDFAC2DACDCD737C5DFA659E7BD199737DAB19FA43DCA9D1177CE749D| |CD9D914B875095EDD5D278B75BEDF6A2E3D096D84FD1D657FFF01FADEB7E3| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

Updated cheap-o build. I'm using merit rewards and ae tickets to buy the unique IOs so that's bringing the overall INF cost way down. Rare salvage is expensive :(. I picked up superspeed and hasten and added steadfast protection back because I forgot to include it so that brings this build to 39% def which isn't too bad. I am not sure how I'll hit the soft-cap without set bonuses. | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1488;629;1258;HEX;| |78DA6D93D96EDA4014866D6CE260566763495843128AC181B6D7ADD4D2569542140| |9A9B7C88229A022B06C50C3659FA26FD0CBBE5997AB4ABD293DF1FC43710512FA3C| |E79C7FCE3F5BF7BE13FBFAE6D373494EBC9CDA9ED7EF0D5CDB7198ABDDDA8BA56B4| |F25FAE9DDA53B98B0A93D9A6B34CC8A9A7E974D19B33AB6FB817F1637990E7BCF66| |1EB37A63D20DC5D0783B1B3397CD1696F888DDCDE753EB86D9CE64364A8AC190B9D| |E78E2C4FDF1EBC968BCA0ACEE8F7A0E6343E3953319582FE6C355BF6B7B0BE6AE32| |E4EB82FEEE8341FFB70E4B39425B950A8279625E95EA793E6E989CED32A71E27CAD| |0FEE2B5A1DF6081D7A8A8551B9C7B8F153FEF6990925646BF13F012FDAE04D1F70A| |7345A9AF82BE0AFA26D03755E07C24580EF284FA86B95609431B8336064D02B54BA| |AD5E05183B7BAA0D813B0098F4D788C93C708EF23474C3E9F0EC62817E5B950B40A| |DFE04183D3A0C6715EA3C6E1F3003E8FFE602DF09B83DF106992DCAF94CCF1D8478| |A19FE4EAF1503DE9BE0B519A442B587D89B43ACE3083CC3F915D2B23FAF4AB5C7F0| |770C7F19F8CBC05F0EFEAEE12F41EB4ECBBE17298D79EF699E2CF717CEC2D719584| |24DC90CB20C2669BE53EE413AC57D3BA7F9F288E52321BFEF8A62459C6311739705| |717E55F0D20CD2A01E15682BD09C0BE683AC9A415634FEC61ECEF90267DFFE8F3D7| |A0E359C590DBA2FD4D3C4DD314BB8679F692D19BA0394B3506FE1AEA428D6C29A5B| |D8EB3375F3AE25F1AE8BEAE6BDAEEBDBF926CFB776C4DA3B624F76C49EEE88DDEC8| |8DDA99B772FC9586F2445EF99C7D6DF74CA632D32343FFEC542F233D9DF87FD77FC| |1EEA65C51F7FDFD6D5B8EEE7B60EFBB807EE633FFF02FF74B045| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

Shield takes significantly more investment than WP or SR does in terms of pure survivability, not particularly great at PvP, can't be paired with Katana or Spines, and like you noted has some end issues until late in the game. Even paired with DM it still has end issues lol.

I think this would also be a good time to revamp the set entirely. SS blows outside of Rage and Footstomp.

Welcome back all scrapper board frequenting friends! This has been the longest rez ever amirite?

OMG Werner what's up dude!

Our Savior has spoken!