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Back in the day on my fire/sd I had aid self but I was do soloing AV challenge. That means soloing the AV's with no temp powers, no inspirations, no alpha etc Just IO's and your powers and I had aidself and it worked great for that purpose. It kind of depends on why you are taking aidself

Shield with double stacked rage it will never happen but one can dream

Scrapper speed /sr can run real fast with swift. sprint and quickness with just standard IO's in fact it was great in missions I would not even need sprint because of swift and quickness made it fun and fast Note /sr scrappers do not have a taunt aura but they are real easy to soft cap

I finally got to start playing again here after real life got in the way and I was only able to play like twice in the last 4 weeks. Anyways I been farming for IO's trying to finish up my S IO's on my dm/shield build and I started working on my critical strike IO's and have 3 of them in place including critical strike proc. Now the weird when I have critical strike proc if I use my soul drain or dark consumption right after every hit from the aoe crits; but shield charge and spring attack do not has any one else tested this on other normal aoe attacks or noticed this on normal aoe attacks (shield charge is a pseudo pet).

I want to figure out a way to drop hasten, I find that it makes the build too "clicky" and interrupts my attack chain. Also buying the Scrapper AIO's was the easiest way for me to get them. I'm currently in the process of attuning all of my enhancements and holy cow enhancement catalysts are expensive. I got a 100 merits in about 3.5 hours and that was not being as efficient as I should have been and bought my first scrapper IO today and that was going from zero merits to 1-4 . Yes I got 104 merits solo in ouroboros I tried a few The Freaklympics The Freakshow War I found those better than A Path Into Darkness

I killed AV's with DB/EA no incarnates without attack vitals I just can not run that combo because I hate the vengeful slice with a passion

for scrappers for just pure farming elec/sd can clear fodder all day long and my fire/sd was a better farmer than my dm/sd those are the shield ones I would also say elec/fire looks appealing

I'm having kind of the opposite experience. I've managed to get full IO / superior AIO sets and the build is definitely solid. However, it feels clunky for me even with perma hasten and plenty Luck of the Gambler slotted. The AoE clear just doesn't really compare to what I was getting on a Spines/Fire brute with equivalent investment. The single target is decent, but for that I felt my Illu/Rad controller outperformed it. What kind of end-game content should I be looking to do solo that this build excels at? So far, it feels like a jack of all trades master of none kind of deal. The best aoe clear for scrappers using shield is elec/shield and I would say my fire/sd was also a better balance of aoe + st over DM but I knew all that when making my DM/SD I had previously had a dm/sr and a dm/da at 50 and a fire/sd at 50 back in the day so i knew what I was getting with going dm/sd

Kaeladin - I want to thank you for your time and effort spent building and running things on test to get clean data, when most of us are just throwing 'what we have on live' at the nearest pylon, and especially for your very 'condition controlled' reports and multiple runs. Im not surprised to see Savage Melee showing brutally well on Stalker - especially as it is my understanding that its an underperformer on most ATs. However, I'll note that the Stalker ATOs radically improve the damage output of the class, such that BS, another underperformer on the other ATs that bear it - so it may simply be that Stalker ATO set + anything is going to be impressive. My current picks for 'that would be nice to see' (assuming you care to) 1.) StJ/Bioarmor Stalker in a high recharge build. Its my understanding that StJ/SR used to be the king of Melee Pylon testing, and I anticipate that offensive adaptation will provide more benefit than the recharge reduction in SR (I may be wrong). Im also curious as to how the transition from proc % to PPM will impact the old king, as I believe its old, live numbers reflect % procs rather than PPM (I may be wrong). Can Stalkers hold the crown for leet melee deeps in the face of the awesome might of the Biotitans? 2.) Is there any methodology that would let one reliably test with a crowd around you? Anything Bioarmor can do, Shield can do BETTER (at least for the sets it would take) and 'surrounded by minions to feed AAO' is a very common real-game case, though its hard to duplicate on a Pylon. Maybe we should plan to get a controller to bring a crowd to the DPS-test, and then keep that crowd locked down just to feed it. As such, Id be really interested in seeing the classic double-perma-buildup build DM/Shield or the current 'hot chick', Broadsword/Shield Stalker. 3.) What do we think other outliers, high and low, might be? Id be curious to get numbers for some cellar-dweller sets (Ice, Energy Melee, and their like) and also run a set or two with and without damage-buff defense sets, to get a better feel for the impact. If any of the above sounds like a demand for your further time and effort, please do not take it as such. I appreciate what youve done so far. I know in the old pylon test days some of the dm/sd did a just pylon test and then also did a test by going and rounding up minions to feed their soul drain +aao with he taunt aura from shields before starting the pylon test and yes it was a very nice boost to dps

While I am moving along slowly was not able to play for almost two weeks do to work and taking a trip with the wife to celebrate 25 years of putting up with me. I hit 48 I am one luck of the gambler + recharge away away for finishing up all but the really top tier IO's and I am soft capped on all three positions now. Now all I need to do is farm 1200 merits to get my 6 superior scrappers IO's and then 6 Superior Critical IO's and 1.2 levels from 50 then I can start my incarnate stuff One of the best leveling IO's I spent money on have been 3 pulverizing fisticuffs and 3 pounding slugfest I run that in my smite and midnight grasp and have for a long time made leveling better and did that for about 5 million. They are still in the attacks now until I collect my last 13 IO's I dropped hasten for now I may change my mind later but for the time being I am no longer have hasten

My personal experience dual blades is one of my all around favorite sets for both ST and AOE in missions and paired with Energy Aura is down right fun

I tried brutes in the past but I hate the ramp up to damage each time; like sometimes when i solo missions I have to go do something with a scrapper I just start back up everything is golden brute you have to ramp up and then run to next mission ramp up. I like to be able to just go when i want to go and hit things hard

I am no where ready yet with my DM/SD and my next will be DB/EA

I take this to mean, I should twink or go home, but I don't think you mean that. I think you mean I asked the wrong question. That point isn't without merit. My response ADMITTED that there is ambiguity in the question itself. Hardest hitting means something different to someone with 1 billion influence than it does to someone who got to lvl 50 competently slotted. While I get your point about my question being "high end" my thought was still about the powerset itself, not the twinked out IO sets that are available that modify (exaggerate) some quirk of the math in the set out of all proportion. You see, if the slots are more significant than the powers, then the real question is "what crazy IOs do you need to hit ridiculously hard." Because the IOs, in the end, will play a greater multiplicative roll in the end than the set itself does. I didn't mean to cause offense, I didn't even think that was possible. But I see why my additional commentary afterwards could be poorly received. There is an argument for the IO building being more important than the powerset anyway. I can see a legitimate game design choice saying, "broadsword well slotted should be able to cripple DM less-well slotted"... after all the time and effort to learn the game and earn the influence to buy the IOs and develop one's toon is a significant investment. At the end of the day slotting is standard and the way to get the most out of the dps is pretty darn simple. The goal is to use your highest Damage per activation powers as many times as possible. There is one common theme recharge and endurance management. That is where IO's really take the it to the next level if you are going strictly SO's your best slotting is 2 acc 3 damage and 1 end (imo) if you do not hit more than you miss you are in trouble and attacks burn more endurance than people realize. Then the easiest attack chain with just SO's is probably Martial Arts because 2 attacks have the same DPA and are attacks you want to use so you have 4 attacks and need less recharge so if you are going strictly SO's I would see MA is the easiest way to get a really good attack chain without a lot of recharge and there are a lot of cheap IO's sets where you can IO all 4 attacks for under 20 Million or less (The biggest cost is the orange salvage why I say less because ae tickets are the cheapest way to get orange salvage) The 4 ST attacks for MA Storm Kick Cobra Strike Crane Kick Crippling Axe Kick MA is a nice set and a lot of high end scrapper have play it just because it is all around solid and fun to play

From a guy who had two level 50 Dark Armor scrappers dm/da and spines/da and one I started in i2 when armors did not stack. Also note Dark Armor has no knockback protection so your either need to take acrobatics or two KB protection IO's and yes you want Two. It can be endurance hog but not as bad as it was pre ED. DA is utility set but like everyone stated a lot more care and feeding vs the set and forget WillPower. This may or may not matter to you but WP also has a taunt aura and Dark Armor does not so with running spines harder to pull the bad guys in but ?DA does have COF or OG for the minions

That is incredible work and I applaud him doing it, but I can't think of anything more useless and it goes exactly to what I've always struggled with when it came to CoH's "tension" between casual and hard core players. Balancing always seems to be about what the twinked out power players with unlimited time and budget can possibly obtain. That's why things like Tar Patch are up less than half the time even ED-max slotted with SOs at lvl 50. There's no point in calling DM or Fire the winner if they are only a winner when all the power cycles pull the hardest hitting attack chain far outside the range of 98% of the player base. I don't blame the previous dev team or the current folks. In a sense this problem isn't solvable. I'm merely lobbying for things to be bent more towards that end of the base. I'm perfectly aware that doing that might mean that under just the right set of 1 billion IOs a Regen scrapper might again be immortal. I don't care, and like "farming" I really don't understand why anyone would care. Besides, think about it. If there really is some hero who has worked thousands of hours and honed their knowledge of the game to such an extent to become as powerful as Statesman, maybe it is OK that they are as powerful as Statesman. We are supposed to be their successors after all, right? Tension, sorry but this game unlike others has little tension between the high end user and the ones that just run SO's. Generally if you are coming to the forums you are looking for that type of information. Sorry I take offense to your post; I know this forum some of us go way back on the scrapper forums to the old days if you come and ask for general advice we give it if you ask high end questions we give it and if I come off like an arse so be it but every game there is always a subset that will maximize everything. The scrapper forum has always been a place for this type of discussion if you do not like it that is on you but do not us.

I did know that but in truth incarnates make everything broken

EA can do that as while as you see shield with a top IO build has the recharge the proof is in the results

Here we go the old rikiti pylon test yea lets see https://web.archive.org/web/20120906192335/http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=130754&page=14 I only include the 200 or above 289 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - _Mojo_ 283 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - BrokenPrey 276 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Iggy Kamakaze 267 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - Igor The Mad 262 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Machine Man X 262 Dual Blades/Electric Armor - Shadowsylph 259 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Norse 255 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - Besserwisser 249 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - SkylineGTR 247 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Enots 243 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Primal Dark 242 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - MrLiberty 241 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - Powerforge 241 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - DR EVIL NA 239 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Effy On Malibu 236 Broad Sword/Shield Defense - Chaos String 232 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Hejtmane 228 Claws/Super Reflexes - Iggy Kamakaze 227 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - doyler 223 Dual Blades/Super Reflexes - Shred Monkey 219 Katana/Super Reflexes - Laevateinn 210 Katana/Regeneration - Iggy Kamakaze 209 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - pyrite 208 Dark Melee/Super Reflexes - DR EVIL NA 205 Claws/Super Reflexes - Powerforge Dark or fire and shield for the win

Follow up just keep flying then you have enough recharge to do most everything more a nice to have but you would 3 slot it you did. I may need to look at it further in the future since I put it together fairly quickly so may need some fine tuning. Now on your two issues; I can explain both the reason your paboe misses is accuracy slotting you should have two yellows in the attack; Don't worry about the set I put in there the acc is fine but that is generally the issue most players under slot accuracy. In fact the kismet is a great one to get earlier giving you a 6% buff to accuracy is big in early game or side kicking down. The reason you agro when stealth is your taunt aura. The Entropic Aura taunts your opponents much like shields Against All Odds does.; so you use Energy Cloak for a slight defensive boost when needed or turn of your aura to stealth buy without agro giving you some flexibility.

You are way over slotted in all the wrong things, under slotted and even with all that you are skipping the best IO's you should be looking at now the one I an posting will take some work to gather. I removed Repulsing Torrent it is flat terrible for scrappers you want stuff close not being thrown away from you. If you drop fly and can live with Super Jump you could add hasten into the build. Overload is more or less useless since it drains all your endurance when it crashes. Better to softcap as much of your positional defense I even left you a slot to play with and put in the paboe attak over repulsing. Took energy cloak at 50 encase you want to stealth but you can take something else. I would look at something like this subject to tweaks http://www.cohplanner.com/mids/download.php?uc=1437&c=671&a=1342&f=HEX&dc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Thank You and to help out I still have an old excel spreadsheet from the scrapper form days and here is rads ST attack break down by dpa (damage per activation) this is raw numbers no IO's or any other buff may help you with your high end attack change planning if you start chasing AV's Contaminated 64.70 Rad Smash 70.16 siphon 64.60 dev blow 89.57

Been so long I think the cloud stays even when attacking and obscures everything still to some degree

Did not exist when the game closed down it was on the radar (it was hidden in the code/data base and activated by the original score team) so none of us old timers unless they where on the private server have any experience with rad on scrappers