Have the talks with NCsoft slowed down content progression?

[Sylar]

what other players info? i would like to know thanks.

[Bionic_Flea]

I've lost track of what point you are trying to make, Sylar.  Is it that CoX/g isn't that bad?  Is it that HC is bad?  Or something else?

 

[Sylar]

1 minute ago, Bionic_Flea said:

I've lost track of what point you are trying to make, Sylar.  Is it that CoX/g isn't that bad?  Is it that HC is bad?  Or something else?

 

coxg isnt bad, any server really isnt bad apart from what i experienced here, i think my point was pretty clear and fair tbh, not everyone will agree but i didnt attack anyone, nor did i share any screenshots with people and players information.

[Bionic_Flea]

Fair enough.  But I honestly lost track of what your point was.  I saw your video and some of the Reddit and Discord comments about it.  I'm glad you found a home you are happy with. 

 

[Sylar]

1 minute ago, Bionic_Flea said:

Fair enough.  But I honestly lost track of what your point was.  I saw your video and some of the Reddit and Discord comments about it.  I'm glad you found a home you are happy with. 

 

If your last part of your sentence was genuine then i appreciate it, my point was very clear, there were things said about a server that wasnt true, yes they excercise free speech, and i think everyone should accept that, they say those meany bad words that people lose sleep of over the nights, but my video was very fair and grounded, i dont need to insult another server to make a point, we can all eat at the table so long as we agree that we all have our own visions, but if one party does not play ball for a very small minute reason, then the issue lies with them not with the other server.

[Chris24601]

15 minutes ago, Sylar said:

i dont speak for other servers, you took what i said out of context and adjusted it to sound like i represent other servers because that is what you guys do, NCSoft are the bad guys, that doesnt mean other servers shouldnt be given a chance, people are allowed to have an opinion, or can you not handle that?

You don't sit down with people who have something you want and open with "you guys are evil." That goes double with honor-based cultures like that of South Korean business. Those with your attitude towards NCSoft would literally ruin this for everyone if they had a seat at the table.

 

Frankly, the very fact that NCSoft hasn't dropped a hammer on every last server the moment they surfaced is evidence they are NOT the bad guys. Regardless of who or their reasons seven years ago, whoever is in charge of NCSoft NOW is, at a minimum, sympathetic to our situation if not actually supportive. That makes them the GOOD guys.

 

The proper way to approach fellow good guys is with respect as we're essentially asking a boon of them; to allow servers running their IP to remain open. There's very little money in it and the benefits to NCSoft are primarily good will with the community and maintaining various trademarks so any agreement reached is literally a case of their magnanimous good will towards the community for which we should be eminently grateful.

[Bionic_Flea]

I've always played with the "bad word" filter on, from the time I discovered it on live until now.  I get enough of that in real life and prefer not to see it while I'm trying to unwind.  So I'm sure Cox/g is not for Flea.

[Sylar]

1 minute ago, Chris24601 said:

You don't sit down with people who have something you want and open with "you guys are evil." That goes double with honor-based cultures like that of South Korean business. Those with your attitude towards NCSoft would literally ruin this for everyone if they had a seat at the table.

 

Frankly, the very fact that NCSoft hasn't dropped a hammer on every last server the moment they surfaced is evidence they are NOT the bad guys. Regardless of who or their reasons seven years ago, whoever is in charge of NCSoft NOW is, at a minimum, sympathetic to our situation if not actually supportive. That makes them the GOOD guys.

 

The proper way to approach fellow good guys is with respect as we're essentially asking a boon of them; to allow servers running their IP to remain open. There's very little money in it and the benefits to NCSoft are primarily good will with the community and maintaining various trademarks so any agreement reached is literally a case of their magnanimous good will towards the community for which we should be eminently grateful.

And give the IP to a guy who literally bans you for a made up issue? yeah that is smart, we definitely want a server run by someone like that, no the server should be ran by a collection of minds by people who agree or disagree, it doesnt matter, people are allowed to have an opinion on the subject.

[Sylar]

1 minute ago, Bionic_Flea said:

I've always played with the "bad word" filter on, from the time I discovered it on live until now.  I get enough of that in real life and prefer not to see it while I'm trying to unwind.  So I'm sure Cox/g is not for Flea.

And i agree, if its not for you then it isnt for you, not everything will be for everyone.

[Starforge]

1 minute ago, Sylar said:

it doesnt matter

That's right, it's a 15 year old video game.

[Bionic_Flea]

3 minutes ago, Sylar said:

And give the IP to a guy who literally bans you for a made up issue? yeah that is smart, we definitely want a server run by someone like that, no the server should be ran by a collection of minds by people who agree or disagree, it doesnt matter, people are allowed to have an opinion on the subject.

So you got banned from one of several servers but still get to play on the others, including the one you like best . . . *shrug*

 

[Sylar]

1 minute ago, Bionic_Flea said:

So you got banned from one of several servers but still get to play on the others, including the one you like best . . . *shrug*

 

That ONE server had my characters from well over 8 years ago, but i am not allowed to be upset or care about that right? imagine that happening to you, but it wouldnt because you are in that little group with Leo and Co.

[Bionic_Flea]

You can be upset about whatever you want.

[Abraxus]

11 minutes ago, Sylar said:

If your last part of your sentence was genuine then i appreciate it, my point was very clear, there were things said about a server that wasnt true, yes they excercise free speech, and i think everyone should accept that, they say those meany bad words that people lose sleep of over the nights, but my video was very fair and grounded, i dont need to insult another server to make a point, we can all eat at the table so long as we agree that we all have our own visions, but if one party does not play ball for a very small minute reason, then the issue lies with them not with the other server.

I saw your video, and I'm glad the environment in the server is not directly reflective of the Discord behavior.  However, my stand is, and always will be, that the in-game decorum shown are those very same folks on just on their better behavior.  That does not redeem their behavior elsewhere.  And as for animosity towards those who don't think as we do, or play where we do; well there is a healthy dose of that in their Discord as well.  So, let's just agree to disagree, and move to the next topic.

 

[ShardWarrior]

51 minutes ago, Starforge said:

It was a comment on him saying the private server should have gone public a year into its existence. The fact was the player base was a fraction of what HC has and they had to wrap their heads around the goofy code. They weren't in a position to "go public" as much as some internet dwellers seem to think.

 

46 minutes ago, roleki said:

I think what they are getting at is, the HC team had no idea how many people would storm their server, or how they would pay for the sudden surge in resource requirements, so there was good reason to be careful aside from the legal aspect.

They seemed to know enough about the code and hardware to get the servers up and running for the people they did have via private invitation.  Not to mention the myriad of posts on Titan Network and over the web in general on various gaming sites when sunset was announced where players offered to kick in to keep a server running.  The indication people would be willing to donate was there from the get go in my experience.

Edited November 4, 2019 by ShardWarrior

[DougGraves]

11 minutes ago, Sylar said:

And give the IP to a guy who literally bans you for a made up issue? yeah that is smart, we definitely want a server run by someone like that, no the server should be ran by a collection of minds by people who agree or disagree, it doesnt matter, people are allowed to have an opinion on the subject.

 

You have strong opinions that you keep presenting as if they are objective truth.  Your basically position seems to be that NCSoft is bad, but you are willing to be generous and let them give you their game.  And that other people may disagree with you, but you are willing to be generous and allow them to let you do what you want even though they do not want you to do it.

 

I am glad that you are willing to be so generous with other people's work.  I look forward to seeing the MMO you create and how generous you are when you have something of value to share rather than wanting to give away other people's work.

[Chris24601]

3 minutes ago, Sylar said:

And give the IP to a guy who literally bans you for a made up issue? yeah that is smart, we definitely want a server run by someone like that, no the server should be ran by a collection of minds by people who agree or disagree, it doesnt matter, people are allowed to have an opinion on the subject.

Then go and make your pitch as a separate endeavor. No one is stopping anyone else from trying to make a deal with NCSoft.

 

We don't know what the negotiations are actually covering (because that would be under a legit NDA until they're done). Wouldn't you have egg on your face if it ended up being an Open License for all active and future servers?

 

But if you make it clear that other servers have no respect for NCSoft and consider them to be bad guys then you might get a self-fulfilling prophecy where only the people who approached NCSoft with respect get the only valid licensing and all the other servers go away in a storm of C&Ds against those who have disrespected their corporation.

[Sylar]

2 minutes ago, DougGraves said:

 

You have strong opinions that you keep presenting as if they are objective truth.  Your basically position seems to be that NCSoft is bad, but you are willing to be generous and let them give you their game.  And that other people may disagree with you, but you are willing to be generous and allow them to let you do what you want even though they do not want you to do it.

 

I am glad that you are willing to be so generous with other people's work.  I look forward to seeing the MMO you create and how generous you are when you have something of value to share rather than wanting to give away other people's work.

its not even their property, its NCSofts and the people here act like they own it lol!

[Sylar]

1 minute ago, Chris24601 said:

Then go and make your pitch as a separate endeavor. No one is stopping anyone else from trying to make a deal with NCSoft.

 

We don't know what the negotiations are actually covering (because that would be under a legit NDA until they're done). Wouldn't you have egg on your face if it ended up being an Open License for all active and future servers?

 

But if you make it clear that other servers have no respect for NCSoft and consider them to be bad guys then you might get a self-fulfilling prophecy where only the people who approached NCSoft with respect get the only valid licensing and all the other servers go away in a storm of C&Ds against those who have disrespected their corporation.

i think you forget my initial point in all of this is that i would love it for everyone to have their own version of the game up, even just one server, but not run by people who ban you for a made up issue, seems like everyone here thinks that if you have a bad thought or feeling about someone or soemthing that you are not allowed to if you want to work something out..

[Abraxus]

19 minutes ago, Sylar said:

And i agree, if its not for you then it isnt for you, not everything will be for everyone.

If it were only just "bad" words.  It's not.

[jubakumbi]

Well, the code walking out of the door when and how it did 'is what it is'.

What some paranoid-powered gamers did with thier 'secret server' has about as much to do with me as the next asteroid landing on Mars.

So they were asshats to a lot of people...so?...so were the Paragon developers in the eyes of many, just like anyone with full control over something people like, the people in charge are always villinized.

All that matters, IMO, is what happens now...

 

Right now, we have people that still think there should only be one true and rightful king of CoH, that think denigrating anyone not on the same team is a fine idea.

There are people that actually think they can tell NCSoft to go to hell and at the same time have NCSoft hand over the rights of the game to the 'community'.

People that think playing on these servers is just fine, but playing as Superman is somehow a worse crime.

Outcries of heresy from people that think no fan can add anything of value, that have no idea who added what when, but just know they hate everything not added by the 'official' sources.

And groups of supposed players that 'just want the game to live on', all telling each other they are doing it all wrong, in some cases with active sabotage, and no one presenting anything other than hype and hearsay on the things that matter, like how much $ and the terms NCSoft wants.

 

It's pretty hilarious at this point.

 

Yeah, I just love the CoH Community!

So full of premium logic and sharp business skills!

Go Us!

 

Man, I think we have a movie here someplace, even if it goes straight to pay-per-view...

"The rise and Fall and Re-Rise and Re-Fall of CoX" - sounds like porn though.

Edited November 4, 2019 by jubakumbi
movie title add

[Jimmy]

Just had to delete some posts. As a reminder, this forum is not the place to discuss disciplinary actions taken on other servers.

 

This thread has also veered wildly off topic. If anyone wishes to continue the original topic, please do so now, otherwise I'll probably lock the thread as the original question has now been answered and discussed at length.

[Abraxus]

22 minutes ago, Sylar said:

its not even their property, its NCSofts and the people here act like they own it lol!

They don't think they own it.  That's why they are talking to the company that does own it, to find some legal legitimacy for continuing to facilitate a playable server, and for the future of the game, as it is on that server.  Those who could be a part of those talks, without preconceived bias about the host of those talks, apparently were included.  Those who just couldn't move beyond the past, refused, and were not invited.  At least, I believe that is what was stated by the GM who posted here, and reflected by most who have joined the discussion.  They never said those who weren't involved couldn't do their own thing, and there was never any threats made that the other servers would be extinguished if the talks were successful.  That was mainly folks theorizing on things from a legal perspective.  But, until/unless that becomes carved in stone, they are free to pursue whatever path they want for their servers.  Some are happy to do just that.  Others not so much.  In the larger scheme of things, it doesn't matter.  What will happen, will happen.  We will all deal with it in our own way.  Until then...I will play the game where I choose to play and be grateful for the rare second chance, where I get to do something I loved to do, and lost 7 years ago.  Everyone is welcome to do the same!  However, if you choose to come to the forum to debate about WHY you do, or don't play here, then debate is what you'll receive.

Edited November 4, 2019 by Abraxus

[nekkidtruth]

13 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

Just had to delete some posts. As a reminder, this forum is not the place to discuss disciplinary actions taken on other servers.

 

This thread has also veered wildly off topic. If anyone wishes to continue the original topic, please do so now, otherwise I'll probably lock the thread as the original question has now been answered and discussed at length.

Honestly, you've already answered the original post and it's really quite irritating to wade through all of the toxicity. Homecoming is always the bad guy when it comes to the other servers. I've personally witnessed the same as was mentioned above where it's just a constant topic of discussion on the multiple discords. I say cut the cord and lock this topic. The paranoia, accusations, rehashing of shit no one can change over the last 7 years...it really degrades the community.

[MetaVileTerror]

I apologize if I missed it, but I would at least like to know something tangential to the original question, with the contextual understanding that it's not a small question and busy volunteer Devs might not be prepared to answer it yet, but:

What is the design philosophy which the Homecoming Team intends to lead with once content development begins/resumes?

 

More to the point:  Is the Homecoming Team prepared to deeply re-examine design philosophies which were implemented during Live or other for-profit game development, and treat the Homecoming game development as the new beast that it is?