DarknessEternal Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 (edited) On 8/10/2023 at 7:54 AM, Underfyre said: If you're in my sheet, click the hamburger on the bottom left and that will show you all the hidden sheets. If you click on Rack and Stack it will bring up the final dps for all the builds I have made a sheet for, which includes the rotations used. I only made builds with secondaries that contained a damage boosting mechanic. How do I actually interpret 3-4-20-21-6-(1)-(7)? I know what abilities those mean, but is that the one time rotation? Edited August 12, 2023 by DarknessEternal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfyre Posted August 13, 2023 Author Share Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, DarknessEternal said: How do I actually interpret 3-4-20-21-6-(1)-(7)? I know what abilities those mean, but is that the one time rotation? If an ability is in parenthesis it's either, in the case of Electric, the pet, or its a filler ability that is subbed in every other rotation. In the case of that particular rotation I'm dubious about needing a 1 in there. I think that might be a hold over from the old days. The Fire and Stone rotations don't have it. They all have their little idiosyncrasies for their builds because of the secondary, so it's possible it's there for a reason. I'll give that a look. Otherwise ...no. You can put the abilities in in that order over and over and it should produce a gapless rotation. If it doesn't, drop a pause in front of whatever is on cooldown. You can try dropping a filler ability if you want, but I'm pretty sure I checked that stuff already before committing to the rotation. Edited August 13, 2023 by Underfyre Sentinel DPS Spreadsheet Sentinel Builds, fifth post down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfyre Posted August 13, 2023 Author Share Posted August 13, 2023 Alright, so I pushed a build with Psi/Ninja/Electric masteries. It looks like if you use a (7)-(22)-1-4-6-1-4-20 rotation with Electric Mastery you will see the highest dps. Or 1-4-6/20. However you want to phrase it. If you slot Havoc Punch with a Force Feedback, and it procs, it will be a gapless rotation. Otherwise Havoc Punch will have around a 0.69 gap, then it will get longer as Ageless wears off. Apparently exporting builds in 3.5.5.10 is broken, so here's a data chunk from an older version for the build I used. | Copy & Paste this data into Mids Reborn : Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1435;667;1334;HEX;| |78DA6593596F125114C7EFC0206B372B655F0A1428CB087E006D698B692BB1B11F6| |0328101C750680013FD2E6E8FE2F2EEB3CFAE1FC0188DD1EEF6C1F5693CCC39B760| |9864F871CFF63FF7DC3B953BABAE7ABDBCC484C995A6D2EDCADB6AABA7B5D4A6AD7| |2BBA7F4B4768B0D1E2BBC51EE926F28AD865A93D69A6AB5D7D1AA4A532E416E2F76| |16B0AAD6D55657954A5A5BBEDE69282DAD2A2F7776DA1D36B1D56E37A5B2D6B8099| |10D87B1DADE55D59A131DCD8167F4BF7F6D57AB4A6795079A7205C4D4CE5D2F3495| |80F76B0A7E04A34FDDC21E8B8C154576B14F7C427C8A2C3E233E477A1687C966F6C| |36C18533F91993FC8FC6FE45E8AC78292F0198DA62FC46F483146455E30A4C962D0| |0B4A665212CCA7282FFE42EE43650BDF832567328CE7F24409692B209345620E950| |E20D9CA2B5BB3286BEB63900F64EDE414ED6EC1303ACA98E9B88A4C6C10D7918750| |D1C937EACC0C8C76E692D0E9FA803D4F2A502C04DCC1A28935F4F741718214753F2| |CA6A8923815C488E910318C0C4790F351E411C8CFF0A499CBB891F325E21232BC4C| |5C41464169968F70760F2B5DD8271E20E70E894748EF311D1EDC70372932B70E0F3| |383C9C3A7EAF1E05EBD97E890C1E9E353F54DE300FC651C947F1383821BB82EAE23| |639014E01503744E41A21D9C21DE4188CEE9040611E17B8ABCC2B9475F13DF10DF2| |2E7DF13DF21E3309018BFDA31BADA71BADA71BAD2F1BF347A085E207961817A4A12| |3F8233CDDB48274DC66E1653C4343183CC64F13C323284A744F60992B33C397B0F7| |BCBDD273E203E44E61F11AF605B4E988AC4A72219E7F232C358819B0A34A85BF819| |5B8C3B1714197FF4C11A92AE8D9BB6C4E1C7CC04C374EC0093F09FE964DCF47DDC7| |43A6EF2668D8E6A464781C127415A7A7074111E5DB0B9E16EF57F0959EDB8| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| Sentinel DPS Spreadsheet Sentinel Builds, fifth post down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarknessEternal Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 On 8/13/2023 at 1:04 PM, Underfyre said: Alright, so I pushed a build with Psi/Ninja/Electric masteries. It looks like if you use a (7)-(22)-1-4-6-1-4-20 rotation with Electric Mastery you will see the highest dps. Or 1-4-6/20. However you want to phrase it. If you slot Havoc Punch with a Force Feedback, and it procs, it will be a gapless rotation. Otherwise Havoc Punch will have around a 0.69 gap, then it will get longer as Ageless wears off. Mental Blast over TK blast? Unless you're just truly averse to smashing damage I don't understand that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfyre Posted August 24, 2023 Author Share Posted August 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, DarknessEternal said: Mental Blast over TK blast? Unless you're just truly averse to smashing damage I don't understand that one. Uhh, no. The rotation you referenced (3-4-20-21-6-(1)-(7)) was Electric/Bio, so I was checking that. The rotation for Psi (2-4-8-20-21) hasn't changed. It uses TK Blast. Currently it sits at the bottom of the charts, but if you can find a better rotation I'll put it in. Edited August 24, 2023 by Underfyre Sentinel DPS Spreadsheet Sentinel Builds, fifth post down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarknessEternal Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 Sorry, I misread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarknessEternal Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) Is the DPS on Rack and Stack from Total DPS or from Final DPS? Edited September 11, 2023 by DarknessEternal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfyre Posted September 11, 2023 Author Share Posted September 11, 2023 Final DPS. Sentinel DPS Spreadsheet Sentinel Builds, fifth post down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicoZaid Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 9/11/2023 at 6:58 PM, Underfyre said: Final DPS. Thanks for this amazing work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfyre Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 13 hours ago, RicoZaid said: Thanks for this amazing work. Thanks for being the first person that's thanked me for the effort I put into this. 4 Sentinel DPS Spreadsheet Sentinel Builds, fifth post down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunsette Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/27/2024 at 8:20 AM, Underfyre said: Thanks for being the first person that's thanked me for the effort I put into this. Well Allow me to be the second. It's quite comprehensive and great work. Thank you. 2 Sundered Marches: The Website | The Official Soundtrack! | The Campaign Setting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovera Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Omg, a wild Sunsette has returned! 2 1 - Simple guide for newcomers. - Money making included among other things. - Tanker Fire Armor: the Turtle, the Allrounder, the Dragon, and compilation of Fire Armor builds. - Tanker Stone Armor: beginner friendly (near) immortal Tanker for leveling/end-game and Stone Armor framework. - Brute Rad/Stone and compilation of Brute Stone Armor builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Redux Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 1/29/2024 at 10:36 PM, Sunsette said: Well Allow me to be the second. It's quite comprehensive and great work. Thank you. Nice to see you back @Sunsette 🙂🙂 1 @Force Redux on Everlasting ----- (read my guide) ----- Gather the Shadows: A Dark Miasma Primer for Masterminds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Redux Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 1/27/2024 at 7:20 AM, Underfyre said: Thanks for being the first person that's thanked me for the effort I put into this. Please accept my thanks as well @Underfyre 1 @Force Redux on Everlasting ----- (read my guide) ----- Gather the Shadows: A Dark Miasma Primer for Masterminds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfyre Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 2.6 up. Page 7 data added, read first post. 1 Sentinel DPS Spreadsheet Sentinel Builds, fifth post down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfyre Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 Oh hey, 4 year anniversary. 2 Sentinel DPS Spreadsheet Sentinel Builds, fifth post down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FupDup Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 I for one welcome our new Beam Rifle overlords. It feels pretty prescient that the new ST DPS king just so happens to be one of the alts next in line in my alt queue (Beam/Stone), almost as if it's a sign from the universe that I should proceed with him. And it's kinda funny that BR manages this despite having one of its main ST attacks (the sniper beam) replaced by an AOE (imagine what kind of monster it would be if Refractor replaced Charged Shot instead and we had an ST sniper replacement...). Closed Beta Discord Invite: https://discord.gg/DptUBzh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfyre Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 I can't really speak for sniper beam, but the reason it's at the top is a combination of factors. It's 2 primary abilities have moderate cooldowns, as well as relatively long activation times that play nicely with procs. Then it also has 150% regen reduction tacked onto one of those abilities? The last bonus will probably get the Ice Blast treatment if it's spoken aloud, so if you know, just keep it to yourself. Sentinel DPS Spreadsheet Sentinel Builds, fifth post down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulgaris Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Fantastic work and thank you for putting it all in. I did have a question though. This may sound a bit goofy but I am curious as to how much DPS stuff like stone/bio/fire really contributes given the neck and neck nature they all seem to come out with with a few outliers here and there. Like hypothetically speaking if you had a defensive set that just gave you recharge reudction how much DPS loss more or less are you looking at on average? Like in raw DPS and also the relative percentages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitback Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 How was Weapon Mastery nerfed? Is it just the opportunity cost of not going Electicity Mastery instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FupDup Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 24 minutes ago, Hitback said: How was Weapon Mastery nerfed? Is it just the opportunity cost of not going Electicity Mastery instead? In the patch notes, all I see is dart's cooldown going from 32 to 24, which should be seen as a buff in a sane world (but since procs scale off base recharge, this reduces proc rates a bit). More generally, Sting of the Wasp has the lowest DPA of any of the Sentinel epic ST melees by quite a big margin (most are 80ish, a few are over 100, Wasp is barely over 60). Having a faster base recharge than its peers also means lower proc rates. It was always like this though. Closed Beta Discord Invite: https://discord.gg/DptUBzh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfyre Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 4 hours ago, Hitback said: How was Weapon Mastery nerfed? Is it just the opportunity cost of not going Electicity Mastery instead? Lotus Drops had its damage reduced. This in and of itself kind of hurt, but the real reason is just that having an aura doing damage while your super stronk melee attack activates in 1.78s is apparently very powerful. I made builds with both Psi and Ninja mastery and they just fell short compared to Electric. Like, this is just Havoc Punch with Blistering Cold in it. You can load it up with procs to get even more damage out of it if you wanted. The builds I'm using are fa from "maximum dps." They're just very consistent across every defensive set, aiming for a balance of defense and damage. 13 hours ago, Vulgaris said: Fantastic work and thank you for putting it all in. I did have a question though. This may sound a bit goofy but I am curious as to how much DPS stuff like stone/bio/fire really contributes given the neck and neck nature they all seem to come out with with a few outliers here and there. Like hypothetically speaking if you had a defensive set that just gave you recharge reudction how much DPS loss more or less are you looking at on average? Like in raw DPS and also the relative percentages? It's not goofy, it's a perfect valid inquiry. But I hate you for making it, because it's just something I've always thought about doing and was too lazy to actually do. So now I'm going to dutifully put together a bunch more builds to add in those "baseline" damage benchmarks. 2 2 Sentinel DPS Spreadsheet Sentinel Builds, fifth post down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperstrike Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 hmmm If you want to be godlike, pick anything. If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfyre Posted February 24 Author Share Posted February 24 2.6.2 up. Adds SR as a baseline damage set to compare what the "damage bonus" of the other sets actually translates to. Before anyone asks, the "bonus" from Stone Armor in Electric Blast is super low because the Voltaic Sentinel doesn't gain the damage proc like it does for the other two sets. 1 1 Sentinel DPS Spreadsheet Sentinel Builds, fifth post down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulgaris Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 It looks like beam rifle tops the list but seems to get the least boon from any offensive boosting secondaries. Like Beam/Bio where bio is normally a good sentinel steroid only adding 5+ percent over the new base of /SR. Meaning it's mostly just the beam rifle primary itself doing the heavy lifting lately. Unless I'm incredibly misreading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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