roleki Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 This came up in General a couple weekends back, wherein some vocally complained about unchecked KB, and others lamented having to dedicate slots to deal with KB, and still others suggested those builds prone to KB should learn to deal with it. So it was, you know, the usual conversation whenever KB is brought up out of the blue. Anyway, as someone who slots a TON of KB:KD enhancements, I got to thinking... would it be difficult to add a -200% KB:KD component to the Tactics toggle? Figure, that way those people who love KB when they are solo don't have to make adjustments when joining teams, and small teams that still benefit somewhat from the soft control KB gives them would (theoretically) mitigate SOME KB, and larger teams/leagues where KB is most usually frowned upon would (theoretically) eliminate KB entirely. It also fits into the theme of Leadership/Tactics, as in "You know what would be a good tactic? Making sure everything that's in an AoE isn't inadvertently blown out of the AoE." I realize, that would lead some characters to unwittingly/unwillingly self-nerf their KB, but, since the topic of KB still comes up quite often even with the SA enhancement in wide use, it seems something that could use some more spitballing. 1 He doesn't HAVE an ass. That's one of the things we're transplanting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTeague Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) I oppose anything that forces KB-to-KD for merely selecting a power. YOU may consider KB objectiionable as a team tactic. This opinion is not universally held. I see no need for any changes, given that the Sudden Accel IO is not unique. However, if at some point the devs do decide to put in some global control / swtich for this, I trust that they will do so in a manner that gives player a CHOICE to flip that switch, or not, regardless of what other powers they may or may not have selected in their builds. Edited June 30, 2020 by MTeague 5 1 Roster: MTeague's characters: The Good, The Bad, and The Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerialAssault Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Ah ah, Knockback to Knockdown threads are on Tuesday only. Nice try. 5 Oh? You like City of Heroes? Name every player character. I'll be waiting in my PMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShardWarrior Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) I wonder how difficult it would be to add a "swap ammo" type toggle to Energy Blast that lets the player decide if they want KB or KD? Edited June 30, 2020 by ShardWarrior 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roleki Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, MTeague said: I oppose anything that forces KB-to-KD for merely selecting a power. YOU may consider KB objectiionable as a team tactic. This opinion is not universally held. Of course not! But, there are some people who think the world is flat, yet companies still intentionally produce globes for sale in stores, despite the obvious pain they're causing. I've come around on Sudden Acceleration in general, but at 1/6th of a power's enhancement (or more, if you underslot) and 4M a pop, that's a fairly high tax to not be THAT guy at the MSR. Me, I'm willing to pay it because A) I'm not really paying for it and B) it's worth it to know I'm not inadvertently the person getting yelled at in chat BUT there are a lot of people who still don't know how to deal with KB or how to leverage it for their benefit, so the topic comes up a LOT more than it should if it were a done deal. 1 He doesn't HAVE an ass. That's one of the things we're transplanting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTeague Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, AerialAssault said: Ah ah, Knockback to Knockdown threads are on Tuesday only. Nice try. But... this .... IS.... Tuesday....? 1 2 Roster: MTeague's characters: The Good, The Bad, and The Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roleki Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, AerialAssault said: Ah ah, Knockback to Knockdown threads are on Tuesday only. Nice try. Of course! Why do you think I waited until Tuesday!? I nearly burst. 2 He doesn't HAVE an ass. That's one of the things we're transplanting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTeague Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, ShardWarrior said: I wonder how difficult it would be to add a "swap ammo" type toggle to Energy Blast that lets the player decide if they want KB or KD? And Storm Summoning? And Kintectics? Any Force Fields? And....? Better to not tie it to any set but just make it some kind of inherent "Stance" toggle to choose KB or KD if they choose to go that route. still. I could live with this kind of solution, since it still puts final choice into the players hands. Roster: MTeague's characters: The Good, The Bad, and The Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roleki Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, ShardWarrior said: I wonder how difficult it would be to add a "swap ammo" type toggle to Energy Blast that lets the player decide if they want KB or KD? Even if it were easy, it would need to be ported to Storm, to Gravity, hell, I think I saw an Emp knock people out of the bowl once. I had suggested an Accolade as a toggle before, and people nearly lost their minds. There's like a KB NRA or something, where any talk that isn't centered around getting MORE KB into the hands of players is shouted down with all the fervor of an addict. He doesn't HAVE an ass. That's one of the things we're transplanting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, roleki said: Of course! Why do you think I waited until Tuesday!? I nearly burst. I thought Tuesdays were "nerf farming" days.. where is the schedule? Who has the schedule?! Edited June 30, 2020 by Troo 1 "Homecoming is not perfect but it is still better than the alternative.. at least so far" - Unknown (Wise words Unknown!) Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameboy1234 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I initially read the title as Suggestion: Add KB to Tactics and about sprayed my lunch on the keyboard. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0th Power Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Bad idea I am Pro-Human I invented Combat Teleport I invented K'ong (More proof here too) Battle Rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShardWarrior Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, MTeague said: And Storm Summoning? And Kintectics? Any Force Fields? And....? Sure, why not? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerialAssault Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, MTeague said: But... this .... IS.... Tuesday....? Look it's been a long week okay. 1 Oh? You like City of Heroes? Name every player character. I'll be waiting in my PMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovera Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Oh look, this thread again. Waiting for KB lovers to come explain how it can be used to help the team. 1 1 - Simple guide for newcomers. - Money making included among other things. - Tanker Fire Armor: the Turtle, the Allrounder, the Dragon, and compilation of Fire Armor builds. - Tanker Stone Armor: beginner friendly (near) immortal Tanker for leveling/end-game and Stone Armor framework. - Brute Rad/Stone and compilation of Brute Stone Armor builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0th Power Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, Sovera said: Oh look, this thread again. Waiting for KB lovers to come explain how it can be used to help the team. It doesn’t have to be useful for me to like it. 1 I am Pro-Human I invented Combat Teleport I invented K'ong (More proof here too) Battle Rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greycat Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 No thanks. It would move Tactics from something that might be usable to something I'd flat out avoid. Plus, from the sound of it, the -KB is affecting the team like everything else in the power? If that's the case, *absolutely* not. (If it's not, disregard.) 1 Primarily on Everlasting. Squid afficionado. Former creator of Copypastas. General smartalec. I tried to combine Circle and DE, but all I got were garden variety evil mages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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