cohRock Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Assume you have an attack with knockback as a side effect. You slot it with a knockbact-to-knockdown (kb2kd) proc, but also add another enhancment from the same set that includes more knockback. Does the additional knockback make any difference at all, or is it cancelled completely by the kb2kd? -- Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macskull Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 The KD enhancement converts the power to KD so no matter how much KB you've slotted it'll still just be KD. All you're getting for those extra enhancements are set bonuses and enhancements on non-KB attributes. 3 "If you can read this, I've failed as a developer." -- Caretaker Proc information and chance calculator spreadsheet (last updated 15APR24) Player numbers graph (updated every 15 minutes) Graph readme @macskull/@Not Mac | Twitch | Youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverdusk Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Shouldn't make any real difference. From what I've seen those enhancements work by applying something like a -700% knockback effect. Adding another few dozen points of kb isn't going to overcome that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarky Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Okay this gets a little iffy for me. I am running a Super Strength Tank, In Footstomp. (.67 KB = knockdown) I crammed a full set of Superior Avalanche, which includes a "chance for Knockdown" which i assume means another .67. Long story short, sometimes the enemies squirt everywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomguide2005 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Can only guess but maybe you're unintentionally creating a 0.67+0.67= 1.34 mag kb when the chance to occurs on the same server tic. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outrider_01 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Snarky said: Long story short, sometimes the enemies squirt everywhere. Thats not knockback, they are exploding like a ketchup packet when you step on it. 5 "Farming is just more fun in my opinion, beating up hordes of angry cosplayers...." - Coyotedancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomguide2005 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 13 hours ago, Outrider_01 said: Thats not knockback, they are exploding like a ketchup packet when you step on it. 👍 That made me giggle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidri Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) On occasion, the KB -> KD proc fails to activate, and ordinary knockback happens. Cue hilarity and angry Trick Arrow and Ice Slick users. I am not an expert, but this is my expert opinion. I call him Ego. Its really late and I can't sleep - I am not normally this flippant. But the first line of this post is my serious impression of events. Edited March 10, 2021 by Cidri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZorkNemesis Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Cidri said: On occasion, the KB -> KD proc fails to activate, and ordinary knockback happens. Cue hilarity and angry Trick Arrow and Ice Slick users. Why are you putting KB>KDs into Oil Slick and Ice Patch anyway? They already do plain knockdown unless you're fighting things 15 levels lower (and even then). Or, i'm an idiot and misread, usually KB>KD failing is because people use the Overwhelming Force variant which has its own KD proc in addition to the KB>KD, causing an overlap that results in actual knockback. Edited March 10, 2021 by ZorkNemesis Currently playing on Indomitable as @Zork Nemesis; was a Protector native on live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidri Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, ZorkNemesis said: usually KB>KD failing is because people use the Overwhelming Force variant which has its own KD proc in addition to the KB>KD, causing an overlap that results in actual knockback. This seems to be a separate issue from what I mentioned above. I mainly use Overwhelming Force to add KB to powers that don't have it, meaning i use Sudden Acceleration when I want to nerf knockback - and I still see this happen, if only once a week or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZorkNemesis Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Cidri said: This seems to be a separate issue from what I mentioned above. I mainly use Overwhelming Force to add KB to powers that don't have it, meaning i use Sudden Acceleration when I want to nerf knockback - and I still see this happen, if only once a week or so. Are you overlapping KD effects from multiple sources? I have an Elec/Storm Controller who's usually dropping four or five sources of KD at once (Jolting Chain, Gremlins, Freezing Rain, Gale, Tornado, Lightning Storm, Water Spout) and I occasionally see mobs getting tossed when things trigger in unison. Granted, the Gremlins are using the OF proc, but even when they're dead I still see it from time to time. Edited March 10, 2021 by ZorkNemesis Currently playing on Indomitable as @Zork Nemesis; was a Protector native on live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidri Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 I play so many alts, and I don't recall who has this effect. I think I have seen it on an Energy Blaster's Nova, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarky Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) On 2/1/2021 at 6:30 PM, Snarky said: Okay this gets a little iffy for me. I am running a Super Strength Tank, In Footstomp. (.67 KB = knockdown) I crammed a full set of Superior Avalanche, which includes a "chance for Knockdown" which i assume means another .67. Long story short, sometimes the enemies squirt everywhere. I have the same issue with a different power. The Avalanche set, only sometimes. Squirt is the perfect word, like a stomped on ketchup packet. It is also in a "Knockdown power, like Footatomp. Cant find the toon lol. But the prob is when it procs it kicks the KB from .67 to over 1. Knockdown powers do not equal knockdown procs, Edited March 10, 2021 by Snarky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidon Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Snarky said: Footatomp I am going to have to request that Footstomp be changed to this. Playing CoX is it’s own reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hew Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 On 2/2/2021 at 2:19 AM, Outrider_01 said: Thats not knockback, they are exploding like a ketchup packet when you step on it. Thats exactly how this would work. There are 2 sources of kb-> kd. sudden acceleration, and oforce. Avalanche adds chance to kd, which is additive to existing kb mag. Its not a converter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BZRKR Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Myrmidon said: I am going to have to request that Footstomp be changed to this. Or perhaps you've stumbled across a new character name 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarky Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 11 hours ago, Snarky said: I have the same issue with a different power. The Avalanche set, only sometimes. Squirt is the perfect word, like a stomped on ketchup packet. It is also in a "Knockdown power, like Footatomp. Cant find the toon lol. But the prob is when it procs it kicks the KB from .67 to over 1. Knockdown powers do not equal knockdown procs, i was quoting myself lol. its the SS tank i parked. doh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hew Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Snarky said: i was quoting myself lol. its the SS tank i parked. doh. Collect $200! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_General Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 On 3/9/2021 at 9:54 PM, Myrmidon said: I am going to have to request that Footstomp be changed to this. My mind pronounced it as Futatomp which would change the rating of the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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