farm requests

[MHertz]

8 minutes ago, Neiska said:

But this is not the first time I have heard of AE getting higher rewards than other activities. Is there a source for this?

Off the top of my head, it's a lot less running around to find new contacts and do street sweeps and so on. Travel time is idle time. Even if the XP rewards were the same, minute for minute, you'd make more in AE missions because you don't have to stop to catch a train.

[Neiska]

Just now, MHertz said:

Off the top of my head, it's a lot less running around to find new contacts and do street sweeps and so on. Travel time is idle time. Even if the XP rewards were the same, minute for minute, you'd make more in AE missions because you don't have to stop to catch a train.

 

Oh for sure, travel time, contact/request mission time, team gathering time, then you have the escort missions where you aren't actively killing things. That all adds up, where farms are almost nonstop combat. Which is why I asked. I was wondering if there were different drop values, or if it was other activities being slower than farms with kill times kind of situation.

[ForeverLaxx]

I'm going to preface this with: I don't care if you farm. Farming is fun for some people.

 

But I will say this: I don't care if you're a newb, noob, veteran of 2 years, veteran of 50 years, or the Second Coming of Jesus Christ himself -- if you're spamming chat, begging for an invite to ANY team, farm or not, you're annoying. No one likes a beggar. If you're looking for a specific team, and can't create that team yourself for some reason, then send out your message and wait. Re-sending it every 20-40 seconds is just bad online etiquette. If you can, increase your chances to find that team by putting yourself in the area those teams happen. For a TF, hang around the contact. For a farm, hang around the most popular AE location.

 

I don't like "chat police" either, but spamming, regardless of the reason or content, shouldn't be acceptable.

[Ukase]

3 hours ago, Erratic1 said:

They were too low level to get the unlock. They were solely involved for the levels they would gain.

So, I've done these patron arcs countless times. And it seems that there are a number of folks that jump in to join the last mission of BS - not for the xp levels, but for the access to patron powers so they don't have to do the unlock themselves. 

There are 4 patron arc options. Most of us do Black Scorpion because it's the fastest/easiest. If folks can skip it altogether, most will. I can almost guarantee you that it would likely not be run nearly as often, except by badge enthusiasts and those who simply love red side content if the patron pools were no longer unlocked, but available without the unlock. 

Nobody is doing these specifically for XP. They won't turn down the XP in most cases, but that's not why they're there. They're there for the unlock. 

Personally, I want Scorpion Shield as soon as I can get it. I don't want to be level 35 and then do the unlock, because then I can't get the Shield until level 38. I have, in some cases, had a PL'd alt be the initiating contact and while it was unslotted, my level 34 would be doing all the work. Not a super big deal, but I do detest red side content. All the stories I hear about not having to hunt, not having to zone hop for story arcs, that's patently false. It's the same deal on red side as it is blue. What's worse, the npcs are simply ugly. Who wants to look at bugs and snakes? Not me. But, I digress. I only endure it for the ability to only select the armor and forgo the other powers of the pool. 

[Erratic1]

2 minutes ago, Ukase said:

Nobody is doing these specifically for XP. They won't turn down the XP in most cases, but that's not why they're there. They're there for the unlock. 
 

 

I am telling you what he said. None of us thought he would get the unlock, not him, not me, not the guy exemplaring down. If we were wrong on that, fine. But I tend to take people at their word when they say why the are doing something.

[Ukase]

3 hours ago, Erratic1 said:

What is a farmer going to do for the person trying to level unless they have two accounts?

I think this is probably the biggest disconnect here. "Unless they have two accounts"....why in the world doesn't everyone have two accounts? Or three? Three is the limit per shard. This game is ancient and just about every computer system alive can handle running three accounts. Why wouldn't you make more than one account? 

The reasons can be a multitude, I suppose. 
Ultimately, you don't have a second account because you don't want one. It's not worth it to you to do the work to make the 2nd account, to make the farmer so you can PL yourself when you want to.  That's fine. But any cries in any channel for "New character looking for AE" will be met by me with silence. 

I think it was in the marketing section, I was analyzing the time it took to get from level 50 to vet level 48 vs the time it took to get from level 1 to vet level 27. (for the emp merits)

The alt that was being PL'd got 2-3 purples recipes. Now, it was my alt, so I was fine with it. But if I'm doing the farming, and some person is getting the benefit of my farmer, I'll never know the purples they get off my effort. But when I see this happen, it just reinforces my own rule, never pl anyone. It's not like I need the purples. I have literally over 1000 in my base. 100 of each kind and then some. But, what I do need is for other players to need purples. Every purple they get decreases the demand for them slightly. That's not good for business. So, I keep mine. All of 'em. 

 

[Ukase]

18 minutes ago, Erratic1 said:

 

I am telling you what he said. None of us thought he would get the unlock, not him, not me, not the guy exemplaring down. If we were wrong on that, fine. But I tend to take people at their word when they say why the are doing something.

My apologies then. That's just crazy to me. Kill one AV for xp? We used to do that with Mender Silo's arc - we'd just pop in, kill Recluse, exit and reset. We got like 4-5 bars of XP just for recluse. Dinged my 2nd level 50 on HC that way. Never thought to do it with a pissant like Quatrexin. He's usually just an EB when I do the arc. 

[Erratic1]

Just now, Ukase said:

My apologies then. That's just crazy to me. Kill one AV for xp? We used to do that with Mender Silo's arc - we'd just pop in, kill Recluse, exit and reset. We got like 4-5 bars of XP just for recluse. Dinged my 2nd level 50 on HC that way. Never thought to do it with a pissant like Quatrexin. He's usually just an EB when I do the arc. 

 

Figure with the relative desertedness of red side he may equally have just been looking for someone to break up soloing.

[skoryy]

35 minutes ago, Ukase said:

why in the world doesn't everyone have two accounts?

 

I imagine not everyone knows you can multi-box here.

 

Related note, I created a second account to create a farmer but realized farming just wasn't for me and let it sit idle.  Yesterday, I dusted that account off so I could use my proto-farmer to take better screenshots of my character and that worked like a charm.  I may have to make a proper Cambot alt on that account.

[Ukase]

10 hours ago, skoryy said:

I imagine not everyone knows you can multi-box here.

You could be right. On Tequila, initially I assumed we couldn't, as the default setting had the "Close Tequila after start of the game" checked off, so it closed. I'm typically obtuse, so never noticed there were options, let alone click the tab and take a look. It wasn't until HC had issues with the manifest and had instructions on where to put the link to the temporary manifest did I notice that. 

The HC launcher had a similar setting that wasn't obvious to me, but I knew enough then to look for it. 

But, if that is the case, when folks like myself suggest dual boxing, I don't see follow up questions on how dual boxing is done, so I just assume they don't want to, for reasons that escape me. 

[Dazl]

19 hours ago, Erratic1 said:

What is a farmer going to do for the person trying to level unless they have two accounts?

Why wouldn’t you create a second account? Unless your too lazy to make your own farmer.

[Bionic_Flea]

20 hours ago, Ukase said:

Who wants to look at bugs and snakes?

You gotta problem with bugs?  *cracks tiny knuckles and stares*

 

[Neiska]

21 hours ago, Ukase said:

Who wants to look at bugs and snakes? 

 I like boop noodles...! 😪

[Erratic1]

6 hours ago, Dazl said:

Why wouldn’t you create a second account? Unless your too lazy to make your own farmer.

 

Not interested in farming. Lack of patience for it.

[Ukase]

5 hours ago, Bionic_Flea said:

You gotta problem with bugs?  *cracks tiny knuckles and stares*

 

I am what is some would call hirsute. I am dubious of such critters. 

[Ironblade]

On 9/7/2021 at 9:04 PM, Ukase said:

I think this is probably the biggest disconnect here. "Unless they have two accounts"....why in the world doesn't everyone have two accounts? Or three? Three is the limit per shard. This game is ancient and just about every computer system alive can handle running three accounts. Why wouldn't you make more than one account?

Well, if you're not interested in farming or badging, why would you need more than one?

Personally, I have three and I had three back on live.  But I think the majority of players simply have no use for multiple accounts.

 

And when I say I had three accounts on live, at one point I had (ahem) seven.  😛

[Ukase]

9 hours ago, Ironblade said:

Well, if you're not interested in farming or badging, why would you need more than one?

Personally, I have three and I had three back on live.  But I think the majority of players simply have no use for multiple accounts.

 

And when I say I had three accounts on live, at one point I had (ahem) seven.  😛

Need may be too strong of a word. But, if the issue is all the begging for a PL/Farm run, a second account would resolve the issue. (at least for those who are weary of seeing the begging)

[Chrono-Bot]

10 hours ago, Ukase said:

Need may be too strong of a word. But, if the issue is all the begging for a PL/Farm run, a second account would resolve the issue. (at least for those who are weary of seeing the begging)

why would you having your own farmer make other people beg less?

[Ukase]

18 minutes ago, Rosencrantz said:

why would you having your own farmer make other people beg less?

The premise is that if everyone had their own farmer, they wouldn't need to beg for a PL 

[Ukase]

On 9/8/2021 at 6:24 PM, Erratic1 said:

 

Not interested in farming. Lack of patience for it.

I also lack the patience for it. There's a method called AFK-farming. You just park the brute/tank in the center of the map, with burn on auto. Come back when you feel like it and reset. All you do is craft/convert/sell when you're ready. 

[Blackbird71]

On 9/9/2021 at 7:39 PM, Ironblade said:

Well, if you're not interested in farming or badging, why would you need more than one?

 

Dual-box RP.

 

Trust me, it happens.

[Seed22]

Damnit...all this talk of the benefits of two accounts...your temptations are strong 😂

[Seed22]

4 hours ago, Krimson said:

Even just having a mule for things like Catalysts and Converters can be handy so you don't have to mail them to yourself one at a time. 

...Damnit I'll do it :P. Well, probably a bit later but! Still gonna do it. I'm oddly enough still in the mindset of 1 account for all your 50s. Probably a rollover from preshutdown days personally.

[Neiska]

On 9/12/2021 at 12:09 PM, Krimson said:

The thing is, people want to farm because farming works, and gets results fast. People like results. I know it's harder to entice them to regular content but the only way to do so is to be inclusive.

 

Want to know why I started farming and created multiple accounts in the first place?

 

The gogogogo mentality in random groups. There are still missions, story arcs, AVs, GMs, and Raids that I have never done before, not even once. Even though I have played for 2+ years.

No one explains anything. Most groups don't even speak much. We just zip right on through as fast as possible, me without a clue as to what is going on, then I will see an 8 second animation with some big baddie doing his "Bwahahah! You'll never stop me Heroes!" with me there like a deer in a headlights and not a clue to who this guy even is, or what his plans even are. This isn't even counting things like team teleport that just whooshes me to some unknown corner of the map with zero idea where I am, how to get there, or what I am supposed to be doing. Most of the time, I don't even know if badges are involved. Heck, I have badges that I have zero clue how I earned them.

 

So, its a bit difficult to get overly invested into stories and open world content. Sure, I'll join a PI group and help out healing for fun. Sure, I will join the random Story mission. But I have yet to be on a Hami Raid. Heck, I still have never been on a Mothership run or even how it works. And my highest level character is almost vet level 300 now. 

 

Anyway, my main point is, that if I wanted the "gogogogo! fastafastafasta!" play, in content unknown to me with a bunch of random strangers, well, I would have kept playing other games such as ESO or Wow. And I am pretty certain I am not the only one. At least this game has ways/options for me to get strong all on my own if I want to, not all games do. Which for me is a BIG part of the attraction here. I don't "have" to put up with the randomness of strangers and give the RNG gods my firstborn for purple gear. I can do it all on my own at my own pace and time.

 

Not everyone feels that way obviously, but, just sharing what got me into farming here in the first place. 

 

Best wishes

[A Cat]

1 hour ago, Neiska said:

But I have yet to be on a Hami Raid. Heck, I still have never been on a Mothership run or even how it works. And my highest level character is almost vet level 300 now. 

It may vary depending on the server, but on Everlasting at least, both of these are very well explained and run. They also don't really have a story to speak of that is revealed in the raid. 

 

Personally, I solo mission arcs if I am trying to experience the story. There are a lot of times where only the leader gets to read dialogue. But no one wants to just read a giant wall of text and make others wait on them anyway.