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AE Vet Levels -or- Empyrean to Reward Merits  

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  1. 1. please select a preference

    • no AE XP post-50
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    • no more Empyrean/Merit conversions
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    • is there a third option?
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3 minutes ago, Troo said:

This one has viewing disabled. No seeing who voted for what. This is a safe place.

 

Well, in that case there's no counter to the idea that the whole poll is manipulated by three people with 20 accounts each. Good job on making it entirely invalid due to lack of trust in the results.

 

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1 minute ago, Troo said:

This one has viewing disabled. No seeing who voted for what. This is a safe place.

Its the Inner Circle at play I tell you.

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13 minutes ago, Faultline said:

Click on the vote total and that tells you exactly what accounts voted for which option.

 

Ok but how many people have several accounts?  Not accusing anyone specifically, just pointing out what should be fairly obvious.  Online poll results are very easily skewed.

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eesh, nothing says "see cabal and inner circle" than a dev.. never mind.

 

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Just now, ShardWarrior said:

Ok but how many people have several accounts?  Not accusing anyone specifically, just pointing out what should be fairly obvious.  Online poll results are very easily skewed.

 

If they were visible you could at least check that most of them are from accounts that have a post history, avatar, and various established opinions. Without that information it could just be 60 freshly created accounts. No results from polls with hidden voters will be considered valid by me when it comes to implementing a change, and I wish I knew how to see if the votes are public or not before looking at the results.

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@Jimmy would know.

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If the OP can't change this to not hide who voted for what can a GM go in and change this? Or at least check the people who voted to verify the results? If not the only way would be to redo this poll without hiding who voted for what. Because lord knows the inner circle could be at play here to ruin this game!

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4 minutes ago, Faultline said:

If they were visible you could at least check that most of them are from accounts that have a post history, avatar, and various established opinions. Without that information it could just be 60 freshly created accounts. No results from polls with hidden voters will be considered valid by me when it comes to implementing a change, and I wish I knew how to see if the votes are public or not before looking at the results.

 

Again, not accusing anyone in specific however different accounts having an avatar and a post history is not solid evidence of unique individuals either.  You can easily have one person using multiple accounts to post support or dissenting opinion to ideas to make it look like there is a lot of interest in a given point of view.

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5 minutes ago, ShardWarrior said:

 

Again, not accusing anyone in specific however different accounts having an avatar and a post history is not solid evidence of unique individuals either.  You can easily have one person using multiple accounts to post support or dissenting opinion to ideas to make it look like there is a lot of interest in a given point of view.

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The vote is a joke to begin with. The majority of the playerbase does not spend a lot of time on the forums. Among those that do, a fraction of them are going to be following this discussion. The ones that ARE following it are likely to be more ideologically invested in it--particularly people that want to nerf farming.

 

The jokes about the inner cabal and "hey it's me on 20 different accounts" are idiotic. The fact that there is no secret insider conspiracy doesn't mean their aren't blocs of players who pressure the direction of development to suit their interests, in some cases more successfully than others. The fact that there aren't 3 people on 20 different accounts responding to a poll, doesn't mean that there might be several instances of people voting more than once--which in a poll with around 60 responses is significant.

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Forgot to add, my personal preference would be to remove Vet Levels from AE if we can keep the EMP to Reward Merit conversion.  If that is not possible, then I would prefer some sort of cooldown on converting EMP merits to Reward Merits. 

 

As nice as most people are here, I simply do not want to be forced into teaming for reward merits and being able to convert EMP merits was a nice way to pick up recipes when inf was in short supply or to complete IO sets. 

 

It would be very nice to get that dev digest where the thought process behind this decision could be shared. 

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1 minute ago, ShardWarrior said:

It would be very nice to get that dev digest where the thought process behind this decision could be shared. 

 

The short version is that content devs don't want AE to be the best source of every reward out there, so either the vet rewards go, or the conversion from emps goes. The former has incarnate progression nerfed out of AE as a side effect, the latter has reward merits from a few non-AE sources nerfed as a side effect (most were set to drop merits simultaneously to compensate).

 

Long version requires one of the content devs that made the decision to write that post, I just change the code.

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3 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

doesn't mean their aren't blocs of players who pressure the direction of development to suit their interests

Oh man... I really like how true this is...

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1 minute ago, Faultline said:

The short version is that content devs don't want AE to be the best source of every reward out there, so either the vet rewards go, or the conversion from emps goes. The former has incarnate progression nerfed out of AE as a side effect, the latter has reward merits from a few non-AE sources nerfed as a side effect (most were set to drop merits simultaneously to compensate).

 

Thank you.  At least this is something.  I will respectfully disagree that AE is the best source of every reward in the game. 

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8 minutes ago, Faultline said:

 

... so either the vet rewards go, or the conversion from emps goes. The former has incarnate progression nerfed out of AE as a side effect, the latter has reward merits from a few non-AE sources nerfed as a side effect (most were set to drop merits simultaneously to compensate).

 

Long version requires one of the content devs that made the decision to write that post, I just change the code.

The second one. Choose the second one. 

 

As a farmer, I do most of my post 50 stuff outside of AE. But I do like having the option of joining an AE team, and not worrying about the Empyrean merits I get every three levels because I use those for Incarnates. Having a mechanism disrupt this would be infuriating if I happened to forget and get wrapped up in a farm for a couple of Vet levels. 

 

Converting Empyreans to Reward Merits... I think this could go. I can actually conceive of making a burner toon, leveling them to Vet Level 20, transferring the Emps, and then using them for other toons. I don't like that scenario.

 

I have two accounts so I can farm myself at leisure. I only use two at once when working on one of them, usually when I am tired of soloing, which is somewhere in the high 20s to mid 30s. But those groups of similarly named alts who seemed to do nothing but farm... I have no idea what their motivation is. Personally, I just want to be independent, and do my thing while being able to chat in the channels. 

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Well that didn't take long.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, GM Widower said:

It is too early for this. Can you all postpone your arguments for a few hours? Thanks.


There cannot be any conspiracy if the GMs mod even the Devs.😉

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8 minutes ago, Myrmidon said:


There cannot be any conspiracy if the GMs mod even the Devs.😉

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