ChatGPT writes a character background

[Doc_Scorpion]

Here's another great thread for awesome bios:
 

 

[Enchantica]

17 hours ago, Krimson said:

I have exactly one bio written by ChatGPT with "Written by ChatGPT" right in the bio, just to see if anyone would notice. Over a year later, not a word. Most of my bios are blank. People care about THEIR OWN bios, so why bother writing something up that only the author is going to read?

I am always reading peoples  backstories! I find it fun. I also usually have a backstory for each of my toons I start. If you don't think people read other players back stories May I direct, you to "Stories of the zones" on reddit by the awesome and super famous Scutt. Scutt searches for cool costumes with unique backstories and has made an on going gallery for people to enjoy.  on a final note...I would read your toons backstory. Cheers

[DougGraves]

17 hours ago, Krimson said:

I have exactly one bio written by ChatGPT with "Written by ChatGPT" right in the bio, just to see if anyone would notice. Over a year later, not a word. Most of my bios are blank. People care about THEIR OWN bios, so why bother writing something up that only the author is going to read?

 

I check for descriptions when people have interesting names.

[TheOtherTed]

On 2/17/2024 at 7:50 PM, eiynp said:

man chatgpt's bout to put all the hardworking bio writers out of work

Yep, there's a reason the Butlerian Jihad wioll haven be happened.

 

...patiently waits for no one to get both references...

[eiynp]

it's hard to manage "show, don't tell" in 1024 characters, especially given the limited emotes/expressions COH avatars are actually capable of. Too many people structure their bio like a character sheet, which is boring; the trick to a good character description is to let other people imagine as much of it as possible. I like to write little vignettes about the character, rather than provide the whole background.

 

people definitely do notice when you write a good one, though

Edited February 20 by eiynp

[Scarlet Shocker]

Chat GPT is French for "Cat, I farted"

[Clave Dark 5]

29 minutes ago, Scarlet Shocker said:

Chat GPT is French for "Cat, I farted"

Dear lord please let this somehow be true.

[Sovera]

1 hour ago, Clave Dark 5 said:

Dear lord please let this somehow be true.

 

'Chat, j'ai pété', so yes.

[Mopery]

Less artificial intelligence than actual plagiarism, considering ChatGPT is using the sum total of all human literary data to scavenge phrases from various works written by actual people. 

[Sovera]

15 minutes ago, Mopery said:

Less artificial intelligence than actual plagiarism, considering ChatGPT is using the sum total of all human literary data to scavenge phrases from various works written by actual people. 

 

The alphabet is a limited number of letters. Everything after that is just recombining them.

[Dormammu]

On 2/17/2024 at 8:24 PM, Clave Dark 5 said:

Red marked the cliches, some of them nonsensical (you may find more); had to quit there lest I waste more time on this. 

 

Please see me after class.

 

Well said. I tried to give more restrictive prompts, including the character limit and also asking ChatGPT to exclude generic genre tropes and focus on the character itself. But it still churned out derivative garbage. I think a better use for it would be to feed it some basic power choices and let it write a freeform story, for when you want to play some specific AT/powerset in the game and don't have a great character idea. In that case, even if ChatGPT gives you poorly-written swill, there may be some concept suggested by it that gives you ideas to prompt something interesting.

[Dormammu]

36 minutes ago, Mopery said:

Less artificial intelligence than actual plagiarism, considering ChatGPT is using the sum total of all human literary data to scavenge phrases from various works written by actual people. 

 

Prove human brains do it differently.

[Mopery]

1 hour ago, Sovera said:

 

The alphabet is a limited number of letters. Everything after that is just recombining them.

Ahh, but getting them in the right order, that's the real trick now isn't it?

[Mopery]

48 minutes ago, Dormammu said:

 

Prove human brains do it differently.

I'd be happy to, but I think I'm going to have to source those brains from Dr. Vahzilok, unless maybe you're volunteering your own brain? Now where did I put those electrodes...

[Grouchybeast]

I'd write more bios if the interface wasn't so frustratingly bad.  I'm hopeful that it will be on the list to look at, now, though, since the new player experience is being focussed on and the bio composition window is something new players encounter early.

[GroovyJivester]

How can you say a person is lazy by using A.I. as a writing assistant?  I mean I come up with the Hero's/Villain's name,costume, and powers so having an A.I. assist me with the background seems pretty creative on my part especially because I either edit and/or have the A.I. regen the backstory to something I like.  I use Bard/Gemini to get at least three drafts to choose from.   I guess if I had the A.I generate a name after picking my power set, hit the random button in costume design and then had the A.I. come up with a battle cry and description I would be taking the lazy way out but using A.I. as a writing assistant is a far cry to being lazy/non-creative. 

 

I probably could come up with the argument that Dungeon and Dragons is the lazy person's way to play fantasy games because said person is relying on an organic intelligence to come up with the game world.  Just because its artificial doesn't make it lazy.

 

Oh and my icon is a.I. genned because I have no artistic talent so I guess I'm lazy.

Edited February 20 by GroovyJivester
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[Clave Dark 5]

24 minutes ago, GroovyJivester said:

Oh and my icon is a.I. genned because I have no artistic talent so I guess I'm lazy.

You could have taken a screen shot of your groovy character instead, which would have been more YOU, but no.....  😃

 

The magic is still in the editing.  Ever heard of William S Burroughs and his Cut-Up Technique for writing?  Long story, but having read most of his stuff, just reprinting what it created got old really quickly; reading what was created and then writing based upon the associations and ideas it suggested? 

 

Fantastic stuff. 

 

Meanwhile, online publishers want to hit "create" on their new random number generators and then cut and paste the results without even editing them fort accuracy.

[Clave Dark 5]

3 hours ago, Sovera said:

 

The alphabet is a limited number of letters. Everything after that is just recombining them.

alskdhfbsoldkjhworbfoiuwebdjwkehbr,nme vlkjhshoiycgweoiuybrlkewbrlkjhwgeckujygj

 

Now find the poetry, emotional resonance and humanity in that please.

[Mopery]

31 minutes ago, Clave Dark 5 said:

alskdhfbsoldkjhworbfoiuwebdjwkehbr,nme vlkjhshoiycgweoiuybrlkewbrlkjhwgeckujygj

 

Now find the poetry, emotional resonance and humanity in that please.

That, dear sir or madam, is some of the finest Vogon poetry ever belabouringly chuttered forth from a living being's voicehole(s).

Edited February 20 by Mopery
Varmints.

[Doomguide2005]

Chat GPT and similar AI are as awful at it as they currently are.  It's only going to improve.  Just think about how long they've existed and what the original outputs looked like.  There's material out there now that the vast majority of folks won't even notice is AI generated when they look at it and many of them couldn't pick out the 'fake' even if told one was AI generated.

 

1 hour ago, Clave Dark 5 said:

alskdhfbsoldkjhworbfoiuwebdjwkehbr,nme vlkjhshoiycgweoiuybrlkewbrlkjhwgeckujygj

 

Now find the poetry, emotional resonance and humanity in that please.

You kind of missed the point though it wouldn't surprise me if that was deliberate.  I think you had the post highlighting all the bits of unimaginative writing up thread.  Well those various phrases are unimaginative crud commonly known as tropes and virtually all human writing is full of them which is why there's a word for it.  Sure Chat GPT writes like a poorly plagiarizing high schooler at the moment.  But that's just in the current state, it was only a short bit of time ago when it would have barely passed muster as a poorly plagiarizing kindergartner.  And I've no idea how skilled at writing prompts FFFF is either.

[DougGraves]

5 hours ago, GroovyJivester said:

How can you say a person is lazy by using A.I. as a writing assistant? 

 

People are lazy using AI as a writing assistant.  But not nearly as lazy for that as for using a computer to play a superhero game.

 

Proper humans play Champions TTRPG and don't use computers for any of it.

[eiynp]

All chatgpt and similar generative models will ever be able to do is mimic; they can mimic some stuff pretty well right now, and in the future it seems likely they'll be able to mimic more things. But that's all they do, and imo people will find their limits pretty quickly (stable diffusion for example is already starting to have problems filtering input that was generated by the engine itself.)

 

it'll have applications for writing very formulaic material (like say, level 1 support, or clickbait news) but it's never gonna replace human authorship because it can't

[Crysis]

On 2/17/2024 at 7:42 PM, FFFF said:

Here's the prompt I used:

 

 

Here's the description it wrote up:
 

 

 

Obviously, you don't have to be a literary genius to write character backgrounds, but I was pretty impressed with the output by ChatGPT. It even came up with a name and a civilian identity.

 

You can also have ChatGPT limit the number of characters used to get a perfecly fitting bio for copy/paste.  And for extra fun, have it write the bio in a particular style, like “…using hillbilly Appalachian slang” or “….Roman-styled prose.”

[sbloyd]

I dunno, I get tells complimenting my costumes and bios all the time.  And I do the same to others.  What, you think I stand under Atlas all day doing nothing?

[Clave Dark 5]

7 hours ago, Doomguide2005 said:

Chat GPT and similar AI are as awful at it as they currently are.  It's only going to improve.  Just think about how long they've existed and what the original outputs looked like.  There's material out there now that the vast majority of folks won't even notice is AI generated when they look at it and many of them couldn't pick out the 'fake' even if told one was AI generated.

 

You kind of missed the point though it wouldn't surprise me if that was deliberate.  I think you had the post highlighting all the bits of unimaginative writing up thread.  Well those various phrases are unimaginative crud commonly known as tropes and virtually all human writing is full of them which is why there's a word for it.  Sure Chat GPT writes like a poorly plagiarizing high schooler at the moment.  But that's just in the current state, it was only a short bit of time ago when it would have barely passed muster as a poorly plagiarizing kindergartner.  And I've no idea how skilled at writing prompts FFFF is either.

I'm sure it will get better at not being completely bland, but it still, by definition, can't come up with an original angle  or make a thematic connection between things, unless one of it's scraped sources did so, or its human wielder tells it to.  I figure a lot of it's going to stay in "fairly dumb" territory, the occasional peak aside.  People are treating it like it's going to drive our cars and do our homework for us, like a train smoothly following previously laid tracks... without realizing all the work that goes into laying down tracks (planning, design, materials considerations, traffic laws and zoning, track maintenance, etc.)  Humanity is basically a lazy bunch, so there's going to be some really telegentic screw-ups as time goes by too.