Controllers Need Not Apply?

[Akalabeth]

There's so much hostility in this thread... 

 

Personally I think getting into a +4 ITF or radios or mission groups with a bunch of low level controllers and masterminds makes others feel like they are carrying.  Fine if you want to run something like an AE Farm or run an "any level" radio team, but not everyone that joins those likes doing extra work.

On that note, I was useless on a +4 PI radio team earlier this evening on a low level and left after 2 missions because of that.

[Magical]

On 11/4/2024 at 9:13 AM, srmalloy said:

One place I see this regularly -- and accepted -- is in the "there is a known way to beat this content, so this is the One True Way™ way to beat this content, and there is no other way" solicitations. A prime example is the "Critical: Must have Tier 4 Barrier" in solicitations for increased-difficulty Aeon TFs

 

barrier is asked for because it reduces the need for support powersets. if you have fewer barriers, you need more support sets with shields or more skilled players, both of which make the content less accessible, especially to ppl with no experience in 4*. not everyone wants to alt to get on a team, not everyone likes support, and not everyone is good at the game. changing destinies is a much smaller ask.

 

I doubt anyone claimed there is no other way to beat this content, dishonest strawman from you. people have beat it without tankers, without barriers, undermanned, etc etc. but for 4*, especially the ones that get advertised in public and not private discords full of elite players, leaders have to consider what will ensure a good experience and successful completion for the players that join. barrier is accepted because it is the best way to do this.

 

btw if you have no barrier T4 and want to come, most ppl in the community will still take you because 1 less barrier isn't a dealbreaker. just ask nicely instead of virtue signalling on the forums.

 

 

[Seed22]

1 hour ago, Magical said:

private discords full of elite players

I get a good laugh out of this. Private discord =/= elite players. May just be a trusted group that knows the content well and speeds it fast. I used to lead PuG 3’s and 4’s, and only recently ran with a discord group. The discord group was objectively better in every human way possible because there was no need to explain and we were all on the same page.

 

To the excluded I’m sure that makes me look elitist. Whatever, it’s not but if just having a group be on the same page and not take an hr and a half to 2 hrs on what should only take 30-45m makes me elitist, then well, I dunno what to tell you.

 

And I’m certain others feel this way as well with their groups.

[srmalloy]

2 hours ago, Magical said:

I doubt anyone claimed there is no other way to beat this content, dishonest strawman from you.

The strawman fallacy is on your part. I never said that the "must have Tier 4 Barrier" route is the only way to beat the SF, only that, because it is a known, readily accessble, and reduced-skill way to do it, it has become the default that immediately excludes characters who a) don't have a T4 Destiny yet, b) only have a single T4 Destiny crafted, and chose something other than Barrier for their play style, or c) don't have a T4 Destiny Barrier in their available crafted Destiny abilities. How much of this is due to the people who want a higher degree of challenge from not rolling with the meta being less willing to solicit for PuGs for the TF and choosing to assemble a team of known players without going through the LFG channel, and how much is due to the people who are soliciting for PuGs using the restriction to reduce worries about the skill of the people who join to be able to run the SF more often, I don't know. What I am saying is that we see the solicitations including this requirement, and people are okay with it, providing a case where that sort of exclusionary filter is an accepted practice.

[Akalabeth]

Any other MMO I've tried in the past couple years has some exclusions related to grouping.  Warcraft has gearscore requirements for (some) groups and raids and guilds.  Black Desert has gearscore for PVP guilds.  Everquest has people saying things like, "no chain heals or bruisers".  Star Wars has the best dancing though. 🙂

 

edit: The population is small so I get how excluding others is not good though.  We should be friends here. 🙂

Edited 12 hours ago by Akalabeth

[Seed22]

22 minutes ago, Akalabeth said:

The population is small so I get how excluding others is not good though.  We should be friends here. 🙂

That doesn’t mean you have to allow anyone who wants to join on your HM 4’s. Thats how you get 4 hr runs. I know this is true because this has happened when I PuG’d a 4*

[Ghost]

6 hours ago, Seed22 said:

That doesn’t mean you have to allow anyone who wants to join on your HM 4’s. Thats how you get 4 hr runs. I know this is true because this has happened when I PuG’d a 4*

A 4 hour run sounds fun!

Thats 4 hours I can spend playing instead of looking or forming PUGs

[PhotriusPyrelus]

On 11/3/2024 at 4:47 PM, DoctorDitko said:

Then, there are those who give the rest of us a bad name.

But the human brain loves shortcuts, so...

It's not "shortcuts" it's pattern recognition.  And when it's the majority "giv[ing] the rest of us a bad name"...

I miss when games were hard enough that CC actually mattered.