Trollers & Doms & Taunts

[LastHumanSoldier]

When Illusion was ported to Doms it was stripped of its taunt because it would "be too powerful a tool in their hands." Yet now we have 3 control sets where the taunt was given to doms unchanged.

 

• Arsenal - Tri-Cannon 
• Plant - Spirit Tree
• Pyro - Glittering column

So can any of you folks make the inconsistency make sense?

 

Why cant Illusion doms have their taunt back?

[Psyonico]

Here’s my guess:

 

Tri cannon and spirit tree can be defeated, so there is some risk in the taunt

 

glittering column lasts about 3 seconds.

 

very different than a power that lasts 60 seconds, is invulnerable and can be made permanent.

[Snarky]

56 minutes ago, LastHumanSoldier said:

When Illusion was ported to Doms it was stripped of its taunt because it would "be too powerful a tool in their hands." Yet now we have 3 control sets where the taunt was given to doms unchanged.

 

• Arsenal - Tri-Cannon 
• Plant - Spirit Tree
• Pyro - Glittering column

So can any of you folks make the inconsistency make sense?

 

Why cant Illusion doms have their taunt back?

Which power had taunt?  Tri cannon and spirit tree are both pets, and are meant to tank

Edited Wednesday at 03:49 PM by Snarky

[Kaika]

Their Phantom army also does considerably more DPS, which fits their AT more, that's probably more the reason why they lost the taunt. Conisdering the dominator themselve is a pocket blaster, and the ATs heavier focus on hard control rather then support I think this one makes perfect sense.

[LastHumanSoldier]

12 minutes ago, Snarky said:

Which power had taunt?  Tri cannon and spirit tree are both pets, and are meant to tank

Phantom army.  

 

Tri cannon is incredibly tanky. I conceed on GC.

[arcane]

Nothing in the OP is comparable to Phantom Army, case closed

[Maelwys]

3 hours ago, LastHumanSoldier said:

Yet now we have 3 control sets where the taunt was given to doms unchanged.

• Arsenal - Tri-Cannon 
• Plant - Spirit Tree
• Pyro - Glittering column

 

 

https://cod.uberguy.net./html/power.html?power=dominator_control.earth_control.animate_stone&at=dominator

 

Poor Mr. Poo always gets left out...

 

[Doomguide2005]

Phantom Army isn't the only Taunt in Illusion either.  And Doms don't get it either.  Runs as gas ignites!

[LastHumanSoldier]

50 minutes ago, Doomguide2005 said:

Phantom Army isn't the only Taunt in Illusion either.  And Doms don't get it either.  Runs as gas ignites!

Wait...

What other illusion power taunts?

Edited Wednesday at 11:42 PM by LastHumanSoldier

[Major_Decoy]

9 hours ago, LastHumanSoldier said:

Why cant Illusion doms have their taunt back?

Balance is not done at a power vs. power comparison. You might as well ask why Build-up doesn't have a two minute duration like Rage does.

[Vanden]

1 hour ago, LastHumanSoldier said:

Wait...

What other illusion power taunts?

Decoy Phantasm, from the Phantasm.

[Riverdusk]

Dom phantom army was also given other effects though.  Dom's phantom army does controls and debuffs such as knockdowns, slows, stuns, etc depending on the attack type they use, Controller version just does damage, even if the phantom uses an ice blast it doesn't actually slow for example, whereas dom's version does.   

 

Honestly from playing both I rarely even noticed the lack of taunt on the Dom's phantom army.  With the damage they do the phantom army tend to get aggro pretty well even without the taunt.

 

 

[Hedgefund2]

My own 2 inf after spending a good amount of time with an Ill dom over the last few months.

 

I've never given the lack of PA taunt a second thought.  When I summon them within a spawn, they grab alpha aggro which is enough before I cast an aoe mez, which thanks to Gleam (HUGE upgrade from group invis) is up for every encounter.  I suppose if I set out to do solo big game hunting (GM/AVs/Heroes) I might miss that taunt but I didn't so I don't.

 

I'm not the biggest fan of the PA kd.  Sometimes, and I wouldn't call it a rare occurrence, two kd effects strike simultaneously causing kb.

[Water]

If I still get hit with a tank on the team, my troller or dom isn't the problem

 

[Ukase]

16 hours ago, Water said:

my troller or dom isn't the problem

 

Maybe not - but it is your problem to solve, isn't it? 

[WumpusRat]

Yeah, as others have said you can't compare Phantom Army to any of the other pets that taunt. PA is invulnerable and with enough recharge, you can make it permanent. 

Permanent, invulnerable tanks on an AT that can dish out a lot of damage would definitely be a bit imbalanced. 

Personally I've never missed the taunt on my illusion dom. Would it be nice? Sure. Would it make a lot of stuff too easy for her? Definitely. 

[Water]

8 hours ago, Ukase said:

Maybe not - but it is your problem to solve, isn't it? 

 

Why would it be my problem to resolve other payers problems?

 

[Forager]

On 7/11/2025 at 3:19 PM, Water said:

 

Why would it be my problem to resolve other payers problems?

 

 

Umm... did you forget that you were the one getting hit in this scenario?

[Water]

10 hours ago, Forager said:

 

Umm... did you forget that you were the one getting hit in this scenario?

 

Aww, bless you guys, this is not my problem. If the tank on my team is substandard I simply reduce my attacking.

 

This is modus operandi, not a problem. The problem which still remains is that the tank is substandard, not my problem.

 

[Forager]

10 hours ago, Water said:

Aww, bless you guys, this is not my problem. If the tank on my team is substandard I simply reduce my attacking.

 

 

"I'm not mad, I'm upset"-ass post lol.

 

Ok. If you're getting hit, it's not your problem. It's the tanks problem. And you don't have to solve it, you just do something that makes it stop happening.