Is empathy worth having

[Sechill71511]

is empathy defender worth having in higher lvls, everyone seems to be able to handle them selves. so is having a healer needed?

[quixoteprog]

It seems to me that while healing is moderately useful it is not vital.  Especially at higher levels. Maybe a group looking to run something at the highest difficulty. But even then this game usually rewards damage over anything else. I would not be surprised if you could run every piece of content with 8 scrappers, or 8 blasters even.

[Hjarki]

I like to think of the game as having three phases:

• Early game. Here, even Tankers struggle to survive without help. Everyone desperately needs buffs, so Defenders are incredibly valuable.
• Mid game. Moving into the mid-levels, many of the basic survival issues (at least for melee AT) have been solved and the primary concerns tend to be recharge and endurance. Non-melee still have issues with survival.
• Late game. Once at 50 with IO sets/Incarnates, well-built characters have solved survival, endurance and recharge issues on their own. This normally means that what they need from their Defender is damage amplification - while individual characters may gain some slight benefit from other effects you provide, this is very much on an individual basis. For example, my Rad/Fire Brute can benefit from additional defense while my Ice/Bio Stalker can't (although both can manage just fine without it). As a result, if your value to the team is such buffs, then your value is likely minimal.

You also have to consider how the game changes. In the early game, you tend to have 8-man teams traveling as a tight group. In the late game, you're likely to break into sub-groups of 2 - 3 players unless it's an AV/GM fight.

 

This also creates a significant bias in terms of the value of Defender abilities. Part of the reason that debuff-centric sets are stressed in the late game is that these are the sets useful against AV/GM while permitting the player themselves to be independently useful. Fulcrum Shift is a great ability, but if you're planning to use it on a single Scrapper you might as well just play a clone of that Scrapper - you'd end up with a more flexible, more durable team that did just as much damage.

 

Where Empathy 'goes wrong' is that it provides almost nothing besides survivability (which your party probably does not need) and isn't a strong baseline for a Defender to be an independently useful part of the team.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Hjarki

[Redlynne]

You need 4 Empathy PCs in a Hamidon Raid in order to buff up Regen+Recovery enough via click auras to deliver the beatdown to the Yellow Mitos while surviving all the damage that they put out.  Those 4 Emps buff the entire raid.

 

Empathy can deliver the same kind of buffing to a Mothership Raid once everyone gathers up inside the bowl.

 

Same can be said for Empathy on Incarnate Trials, once everyone gathers up to deliver a beatdown.

[Auroxis]

Empathy is great at higher levels if you use it correctly and pair it with Sonic Attack to help deal with its lack of resistance/regen debuffs.

 

I suggest you take a look at my guide, here:

 

 

[Yomo Kimyata]

This title makes me feel like I am in session with my therapist.

 

And that's a legitimate feeling!

[Linea]

"Healers" are probably (almost) never "Needed".  "Healers" are probably the least needed subset of builds once you pass the very very early levels.

However, Empaths are almost always useful.  Empaths are not "healers".  Empaths are a great deal more than just "Healers".

I also have a nearly, but not entirely, useless Empath that can solo +4x8 with firepower nearly equal to a blaster, and armor nearly equal to a scrapper.  So even if you think empaths are useless, you can still enjoy playing one as an armored blaster that occasionally buffs the team if that's what you want to do.  There's plenty of room in the city for lots of play-styles, even Petless MM Empaths.

 

I also disagree that survival buffs/debuffs are less useful or useless late game.   Sure, I can solo that on my (defender, controller, scrapper, tank, ...).   Give me a defense buff and I can solo it even faster because I can let loose even more offense and no longer have to worry about DDR.  Give me a resist buff and I can again, let loose even more and not worry about my own resistance buffs so much.   Give me an Adrenalin Boost and I can crank out even more damage.   The same can be said for pretty much any buff/debuff.  Sure I can solo it.  Sure I don't "need" that buff.  But each of those buffs really do make subtle differences even if I'm running fully independent self-sufficient builds.  If you want to focus on the highest of the high-end content and team with only the highest of the high-end builds, then sure, some buffs may be more useful than others, but that definitely will not be every player's experience, nor every team.  Everyone isn't running an UberBuild, defenders of all kinds are useful, and they are useful in all kinds of content.

[Ozryk]

No. Empathy has too much of its power choices caught up in 'Do not die' effects, and you can't heal enemies to death. You can't dodge them to death. At day's end, your progress through the game is mediated by damage, so you want a defender pick that brings more ways to amplify party damage, through damage buffs, recovery buffs, recharge buffs, and resistance and regeneration debuffs.

[Alty]

3 heals...6 buffs...5 if you don't want to count Rez. 4 of those buffs are extremely important at all levels (Fortitude, Regen and Recovery Auras, Adrenaline Boost). Incarnates buffs basically mimic all Defender buffs. 

 

No Defender is ever worthless... Ever. 😊

 

Got 2 Emps? Have them Fort & AB each other (if they're offender built) and then get out of their way. 

 

Now is healing necessary as much at higher levels?...Nope but since Emps aren't 'healers' they're always needed all the time. 😉

Edited August 28, 2019 by Alty

[Sir Myshkin]

13 hours ago, Sechill71511 said:

is empathy defender worth having in higher lvls

Yes.

 

13 hours ago, Sechill71511 said:

so is having a healer needed?

No.

 

It's important to understand the distinction between a "Healer" and a "Defender." A healer takes three powers, puts one of them on auto, and rides coat tails. A Defender provides support/buffs, occasionally produces some green values, potentially drops debuffs, and then fires off blasts to fill their time. See all the other replies in this thread are talking about Fortitude, Adrenalin Boost, Recovery Aura, Regen Aura.

 

Not one person said "yeah, Heal Other is the best power in the game!"

 

Be a Defender.

[ParaBruce]

@Auroxis's post is really the place to go, but I can supplement a little bit....

 

You're never too high level to have a run of bad luck with either defense or resistance, and suddenly someone's taken a lot of damage very quickly, and maybe died. At that point, quick healing and rezzing are very helpful. It's true that this is less common as characters power up, but it never goes away altogether, as a matter of design.

 

As @Redlynnepointed out, Empathy's regeneration and recovery auras have specific utility in Hamidon raids, and they both come in handy just about anywhere. In my experience, recovery boosting seems to come into play more often, assuming a reasonably prepared and well-played team. Whether it's Clockwork at low levels or Malta at high levels, various enemies like to chow down on blue bars. Spurts of rapid usage of high-endurance-cost powers can produce a similar effect. Being able to bounce back from that is always in order.

 

Fortitude and Adrenaline Boost are fun to spread around, and can make an immediately visible difference in the performance of a whole team. They make mediocre teams do well, and solid teams do great. And Clear Mind, like healing, fills in at those moments when normal character defenses just weren't enough.

 

My empath is now 45, and I have yet to find a mission or task force where it didn't come in handy to have me there. A solid /sonic secondary just makes it more so.

 

[Alty]

On 8/27/2019 at 6:49 AM, Hjarki said:

Fulcrum Shift is a great ability, but if you're planning to use it on a single Scrapper you might as well just play a clone of that Scrapper

Do you mean Fortitude or Adrenaline Boost?  Fulcrum Shift is a Kinetics power and it is a targeted AOE buff/debuff. 

[Hjarki]

1 hour ago, Alty said:

Do you mean Fortitude or Adrenaline Boost?  Fulcrum Shift is a Kinetics power and it is a targeted AOE buff/debuff. 

I meant Fulcrum Shift - Empathy doesn't get any powers that augment the damage of the group. I was just using Fulcrum Shift as an example of buffs that are great mid-game but start to lose value late-game. For the late-game characters I'm talking about, Empathy tends to bring nothing of value.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Hjarki

[Auroxis]

8 minutes ago, Hjarki said:

I meant Fulcrum Shift - Empathy doesn't get any powers that augment the damage of the group.

Fortitude increases damage by 31.25% (can be active on up to 7 teammates at once), and Adrenalin Boost lets your nukers go off more often. Plus there's always Sonic Attack to cover up that -res/-regen hole.

 

If you're talking about something like Emp/Psy then yeah, if a team is fully kitted out you won't be bringing much of value outside of insurance. But Emp/Sonic is a different story.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Auroxis

[ShardWarrior]

On 8/27/2019 at 11:01 AM, Auroxis said:

Empathy is great at higher levels if you use it correctly and pair it with Sonic Attack to help deal with its lack of resistance/regen debuffs.

Saying that only one combo makes Empathy viable/useful at higher levels is not much of an argument to say it is useful lol.

[Auroxis]

2 minutes ago, ShardWarrior said:

Saying that only one combo makes Empathy viable/useful at higher levels is not much of an argument to say it is useful lol.

I said that it makes Empathy great, not just viable/useful.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Auroxis

[Rylas]

As I've said in another Emp thread; if I'm tanking for the team, whether that be a Tanker or Brute or whatever, I'll always find an Empathy defender extremely useful. Fortitude is one of THE MOST amazing buffs for tanking. Defense that puts most any of my melees into the soft cap, and +To Hit and +DMG for aiding in aggro management. I'd do despicable, depraved things to keep my toon Forted, it's that useful. And the two Auras? As a brute, Recovery Aura is amazing for keeping you going to keep that Fury bar full. If Fort doesn't put my toon over the soft cap, then Regen Aura means I don't need to bother watching my green bar at all. And Adrenaline boost is amazeballs. 

 

Yeah, Empathy is worth having.

[Linea]

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Fulcrum Shift is a great ability, but if you're planning to use it on a single Scrapper you might as well just play a clone of that Scrapper - you'd end up with a more flexible, more durable team that did just as much damage.

Dissing Fulcrum Shift pretty much makes my brain explode.

 

This is not entirely true, simply by the fact Fulcrum can double stack, and scrapper damage caps are considerably high.  Buff the scrapper and twiddle your thumbs and you've probably added more damage than a second scrapper, do something other than twiddling your thumbs and it's going to be hard to not surpass the scrapper pair ... Solo you'll be more like the "average" scrapper in that damage capped corruptors and defenders push into the (average) scrapper range for ST damage and Surpass (average) scrappers for AoE damage.  There's also no reason for a high level defender with an IO build to not be nearly as durable as the average scrapper.  (Note: Scrappers vary in both damage and defense capabilities and I am not using Titan/Bio as a benchmark.  I'm looking more at the 300 ST dps range, and the 10 to 15 mpl range that is a bit more common.)

[Alty]

6 hours ago, Hjarki said:

I meant Fulcrum Shift - Empathy doesn't get any powers that augment the damage of the group. I was just using Fulcrum Shift as an example of buffs that are great mid-game but start to lose value late-game. For the late-game characters I'm talking about, Empathy tends to bring nothing of value.

The way you wrote it made it read as if you were referring to a single target buff. 

 

Also I think you're highly mistaken about Empathy and Kinetics but someone above me already took that on. 😊

[Hjarki]

3 hours ago, Linea said:

Dissing Fulcrum Shift pretty much makes my brain explode.

 

This is not entirely true, simply by the fact Fulcrum can double stack, and scrapper damage caps are considerably high.  Buff the scrapper and twiddle your thumbs and you've probably added more damage than a second scrapper, do something other than twiddling your thumbs and it's going to be hard to not surpass the scrapper pair ... Solo you'll be more like the "average" scrapper in that damage capped corruptors and defenders push into the (average) scrapper range for ST damage and Surpass (average) scrappers for AoE damage.  There's also no reason for a high level defender with an IO build to not be nearly as durable as the average scrapper.  (Note: Scrappers vary in both damage and defense capabilities and I am not using Titan/Bio as a benchmark.  I'm looking more at the 300 ST dps range, and the 10 to 15 mpl range that is a bit more common.)

While Fulcrum can double stack, the average performance of Fulcrum Shift is going to far less than that ideal circumstance. Moreover, the Scrapper themselves is likely to be running near half their damage cap when it matters anyway. Given the choice of bringing a durable, flexible source of dps that can operate independently and a Defender who needs baby-sitting to hopefully yield the same extra damage, it's an easy choice.

 

Once you get to the final AV/GM, Fulcrum Shift could potentially be useful. However, it tends to under-perform the resist debuffs because resist debuffs are a multiplier for everything while +damage buffs are only a bonus for base damage (and one that's hard to stack very high due to the lack of targets).

 

7 hours ago, Rylas said:

As I've said in another Emp thread; if I'm tanking for the team, whether that be a Tanker or Brute or whatever, I'll always find an Empathy defender extremely useful. Fortitude is one of THE MOST amazing buffs for tanking. Defense that puts most any of my melees into the soft cap, and +To Hit and +DMG for aiding in aggro management. I'd do despicable, depraved things to keep my toon Forted, it's that useful. And the two Auras? As a brute, Recovery Aura is amazing for keeping you going to keep that Fury bar full. If Fort doesn't put my toon over the soft cap, then Regen Aura means I don't need to bother watching my green bar at all. And Adrenaline boost is amazeballs. 

 

Yeah, Empathy is worth having.

My Rad/Fire Brute farmer would care vaguely about some of what Empathy brings. He doesn't need the +hit, the +dmg has a minimal impact. Recovery Aura is useless since I don't run out of endurance. Regeneration Aura is useless because it's a drop in the bucket compared to my self-healing. Adrenaline Boost provides a marginal boost to the rate at which I can cycle AE effects, but it's not all that noticeable (the regeneration and recovery components aren't important). The +defense can potentially save me some purples against unusual damage types, but +defense is ridiculously common given how many people use Leadership powers. And that's on a build specifically optimized for fire farms trying to operate in normal content.

 

On my actual Tanker, none of what you're talking is about is particularly useful unless I"m fighting enemies with oddball attacks.

 

More importantly, sets like Time Manipulation give you those sorts of features as well - and they don't come attached to an otherwise weak character. Something like a Time/* can buff defense, recharge, recovery, provide healing just like Empathy - but they can also amplify damage and operate independently with ease.

 

In both these cases, I think people are confusing the mid-game with the late-game. In the mid-game, sets like Empathy and Kinetics can be quite useful. But once you're running around with fully slotted, incarnated characters, those buffs tend not to be all that useful because they solve problems players already solved with their build. It's the same reason everyone loves Force Field early on, but doesn't find it all that worthwhile as they develop - that defense is fantastic when everyone has none, but becomes pointless in a team with soft-capped characters.

[Rylas]

39 minutes ago, Hjarki said:

In both these cases, I think people are confusing the mid-game with the late-game. In the mid-game, sets like Empathy and Kinetics can be quite useful. But once you're running around with fully slotted, incarnated characters, those buffs tend not to be all that useful because they solve problems players already solved with their build. It's the same reason everyone loves Force Field early on, but doesn't find it all that worthwhile as they develop - that defense is fantastic when everyone has none, but becomes pointless in a team with soft-capped characters.

Or, someone's confusing high-end builds as normal builds everyone runs with. I play with a few friends who don't even bother with IO sets. Sure you're highly tuned Rad/Fire isn't going to be worried about what an EMP brings to the experience. But then again, a highly tuned and efficient defender won't be worried about what your tanker brings to the experience. That's kind of the thing about CoH; invest enough, and you won't really need anyone else.

[Hjarki]

2 hours ago, Rylas said:

Or, someone's confusing high-end builds as normal builds everyone runs with. I play with a few friends who don't even bother with IO sets. Sure you're highly tuned Rad/Fire isn't going to be worried about what an EMP brings to the experience. But then again, a highly tuned and efficient defender won't be worried about what your tanker brings to the experience. That's kind of the thing about CoH; invest enough, and you won't really need anyone else.

That's why I made a distinction about three phases of the game.

 

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here. You should play what you enjoy in the way you enjoy playing it.

 

However, when we talk about how 'good' a set is, we're generally not talking about the mid-game and we're definitely not talking about the early game - because people have direct experience with that. What we're normally talking about is how it performs beyond what we can easily tell from even briefly playing the set - the pitfalls we'll run into when you get into the final stages of the game.

 

For example, I know a guy who runs fire farms with 5 identical Brutes. Individually, these Brutes aren't able to clear a fire farm particularly well. However, when you're putting them all in the same place on auto-follow, they work great because they all have Leadership - and the guy designed around the fact that he'd have 5 stacking Leadership buffs. Having that knowledge that they will *always* be used in this fashion gives you significant advantages.

 

Indeed, even the concept of the 'fire farm Brute' does this. As long as you know you will never have to face any non-fire damage, you can easily soft-cap Fire Defense and hard-cap Fire Resist on Brute. You may suck at dealing with any other form of content, but in that one place - the only place you'll ever be - you're a monster.

 

The same could be said about more conventional characters. If your wife plays Empathy/Psi and you play Electric/Stone - and you never play except with each other - then your Electric/Stone Tanker can be built around the omnipresence of those Empathy buffs (and clearly they would be useful in that duo).

[ParaBruce]

Hjarki, the endgame you're talking about is like mythic raiding in World of Warcraft, from what I can tell. It's very much a real thing and people are out there doing it right now, but...it's not the norm, or anywhere close to it. We need more layers, I think, to distinguish those who who are playing at 50 with individual IOs, those playing with sets but no particular planning (and who are likely to never touch Mid's/Pine/Hero Designer), and a couple strata of increasingly carefully designed and lavishly funded builds. There are a lot of people out there at 50 who are not executing anything much in the way of a plan, and taking part with varying degrees of interest and enthusiasm in stuff with varying degrees of difficulty and prerequisites.

 

Heck, you can fumble through a lot of incarnate development relying on questions to friends and /help. The results are of course very far from efficient, but they're still results - you end up with stuff in slots, a few neat attacks and cool pets, and like that.

 

It's certainly okay not to want to play with people whose idea of endgame is anything like that. And yeah, I'm agreeing there's a lot of potential gameplay beyond that. But I think it makes sense to call it an endgame, because that's that it is, for a lot of players - it's as far as they'll go, base on interest and accumulated clues, and it includes the large majority of the content in the game for anyone to play.

 

(Had the game lived, sure, there'd be much more calling for further planned character development. That's obviously where it was heading. But we didn't get there.)

 

And, to circle back around, Empathy is very solid, strong support for teams heavy on people with characters at that level of development, which means solid support for (as nearly as I can tell) a majority of players' level 50 characters.

 

[tjknight]

10 hours ago, ParaBruce said:

Hjarki, the endgame you're talking about is like mythic raiding in World of Warcraft, from what I can tell. It's very much a real thing and people are out there doing it right now, but...it's not the norm, or anywhere close to it. We need more layers, I think, to distinguish those who who are playing at 50 with individual IOs, those playing with sets but no particular planning (and who are likely to never touch Mid's/Pine/Hero Designer), and a couple strata of increasingly carefully designed and lavishly funded builds. There are a lot of people out there at 50 who are not executing anything much in the way of a plan, and taking part with varying degrees of interest and enthusiasm in stuff with varying degrees of difficulty and prerequisites.

 

I have to agree.  Post 50 there's still a demand for strong healing/buffing builds.  

 

In my experience, most players aren't running around with super-efficient top tier builds after 50.  The players who do have builds like that are pretty much playing the entire game solo by that point. They don't really need anybody else. There's nothing wrong with that, but other players do need support. And Empathy is a support set that can cover the deficiencies in almost any build. 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2019 by tjknight

[Rylas]

2 hours ago, Cipher said:

Defender Powers

 

Primary Powersets

 

Secondary Powersets

 

Powerset Combinations

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2	Empathy	Radiation Blast	2341
3	Dark Miasma	Dark Blast	2187
4	Empathy	Psychic Blast	2152
5	Empathy	Energy Blast	2040
6	Empathy	Dark Blast	1698
7	Empathy	Water Blast	1696
8	Empathy	Electrical Blast	1495
9	Sonic Debuff	Sonic Attack	1469
10	Storm Summoning	Electrical Blast	1255
11	Storm Summoning	Water Blast	1060
12	Nature Affinity	Water Blast	1005
13	Empathy	Dual Pistols	977
14	Trick Arrow	Archery	953
15	Empathy	Sonic Attack	934
16	Empathy	Archery	909
17	Kinetics	Radiation Blast	886
18	Kinetics	Electrical Blast	843
19	Force Field	Energy Blast	841
20	Empathy	Fire Blast	824
21	Thermal Radiation	Fire Blast	786
22	Empathy	Ice Blast	777
23	Time Manipulation	Dual Pistols	768
24	Kinetics	Sonic Attack	718
25	Empathy	Beam Rifle	717
26	Cold Domination	Ice Blast	693
27	Radiation Emission	Sonic Attack	619
28	Time Manipulation	Psychic Blast	516
29	Kinetics	Energy Blast	486
30	Time Manipulation	Beam Rifle	485
31	Force Field	Water Blast	477
32	Time Manipulation	Sonic Attack	470
33	Storm Summoning	Ice Blast	469
34	Kinetics	Water Blast	462
35	Kinetics	Psychic Blast	425
36	Force Field	Beam Rifle	410
37	Force Field	Psychic Blast	395
38	Force Field	Radiation Blast	395
39	Time Manipulation	Water Blast	388
40	Radiation Emission	Dark Blast	386
41	Kinetics	Fire Blast	383
42	Empathy	Assault Rifle	380
43	Pain Domination	Dark Blast	375
44	Kinetics	Dark Blast	366
45	Nature Affinity	Archery	364
46	Time Manipulation	Radiation Blast	356
47	Force Field	Dark Blast	354
48	Kinetics	Dual Pistols	353
49	Pain Domination	Psychic Blast	337
50	Force Field	Electrical Blast	336
51	Time Manipulation	Dark Blast	331
52	Poison	Water Blast	312
53	Time Manipulation	Energy Blast	304
54	Cold Domination	Archery	301
55	Time Manipulation	Electrical Blast	265
56	Kinetics	Beam Rifle	260
57	Force Field	Sonic Attack	253
58	Thermal Radiation	Radiation Blast	247
59	Kinetics	Ice Blast	247
60	Pain Domination	Water Blast	246
61	Time Manipulation	Ice Blast	237
62	Cold Domination	Sonic Attack	235
63	Pain Domination	Sonic Attack	234
64	Poison	Sonic Attack	223
65	Nature Affinity	Dark Blast	220
66	Storm Summoning	Sonic Attack	217
67	Traps	Beam Rifle	216
68	Pain Domination	Dual Pistols	216
69	Poison	Radiation Blast	216
70	Nature Affinity	Radiation Blast	215
71	Poison	Dark Blast	208
72	Nature Affinity	Sonic Attack	207
73	Time Manipulation	Fire Blast	206
74	Traps	Dual Pistols	204
75	Radiation Emission	Psychic Blast	202
76	Storm Summoning	Dark Blast	196
77	Force Field	Dual Pistols	191
78	Cold Domination	Water Blast	189
79	Pain Domination	Radiation Blast	188
80	Radiation Emission	Electrical Blast	179
81	Nature Affinity	Ice Blast	176
82	Traps	Assault Rifle	176
83	Radiation Emission	Fire Blast	174
84	Radiation Emission	Water Blast	173
85	Dark Miasma	Sonic Attack	165
86	Kinetics	Archery	164
87	Radiation Emission	Beam Rifle	163
88	Thermal Radiation	Sonic Attack	156
89	Nature Affinity	Psychic Blast	153
90	Nature Affinity	Fire Blast	153
91	Thermal Radiation	Water Blast	153
92	Pain Domination	Electrical Blast	152
93	Cold Domination	Assault Rifle	143
94	Storm Summoning	Energy Blast	143
95	Dark Miasma	Radiation Blast	136
96	Nature Affinity	Dual Pistols	135
97	Nature Affinity	Electrical Blast	134
98	Pain Domination	Energy Blast	134
99	Dark Miasma	Assault Rifle	133
100	Cold Domination	Dark Blast	127
101	Dark Miasma	Archery	125
102	Dark Miasma	Water Blast	122
103	Pain Domination	Beam Rifle	119
104	Dark Miasma	Dual Pistols	119
105	Radiation Emission	Ice Blast	118
106	Thermal Radiation	Ice Blast	115
107	Nature Affinity	Energy Blast	110
108	Poison	Dual Pistols	109
109	Dark Miasma	Psychic Blast	109
110	Dark Miasma	Electrical Blast	108
111	Thermal Radiation	Electrical Blast	108
112	Pain Domination	Fire Blast	108
113	Force Field	Archery	108
114	Force Field	Ice Blast	107
115	Force Field	Assault Rifle	106
116	Thermal Radiation	Dark Blast	103
117	Dark Miasma	Fire Blast	103
118	Storm Summoning	Psychic Blast	101
119	Storm Summoning	Fire Blast	99
120	Radiation Emission	Dual Pistols	98
121	Kinetics	Assault Rifle	97
122	Radiation Emission	Energy Blast	97
123	Sonic Debuff	Water Blast	97
124	Force Field	Fire Blast	96
125	Dark Miasma	Beam Rifle	94
126	Time Manipulation	Archery	94
127	Pain Domination	Ice Blast	90
128	Cold Domination	Fire Blast	86
129	Poison	Ice Blast	85
130	Poison	Beam Rifle	85
131	Poison	Psychic Blast	84
132	Storm Summoning	Radiation Blast	81
133	Cold Domination	Beam Rifle	80
134	Dark Miasma	Ice Blast	80
135	Sonic Debuff	Psychic Blast	78
136	Nature Affinity	Beam Rifle	77
137	Sonic Debuff	Radiation Blast	75
138	Storm Summoning	Archery	73
139	Pain Domination	Assault Rifle	70
140	Storm Summoning	Dual Pistols	67
141	Sonic Debuff	Beam Rifle	65
142	Time Manipulation	Assault Rifle	64
143	Thermal Radiation	Dual Pistols	64
144	Thermal Radiation	Psychic Blast	62
145	Thermal Radiation	Energy Blast	60
146	Thermal Radiation	Beam Rifle	60
147	Pain Domination	Archery	60
148	Traps	Sonic Attack	59
149	Poison	Fire Blast	58
150	Poison	Archery	55
151	Poison	Electrical Blast	54
152	Sonic Debuff	Electrical Blast	53
153	Traps	Archery	51
154	Radiation Emission	Assault Rifle	50
155	Sonic Debuff	Dark Blast	46
156	Radiation Emission	Archery	45
157	Cold Domination	Psychic Blast	44
158	Sonic Debuff	Archery	44
159	Sonic Debuff	Dual Pistols	43
160	Thermal Radiation	Archery	42
161	Cold Domination	Electrical Blast	42
162	Cold Domination	Radiation Blast	40
163	Dark Miasma	Energy Blast	39
164	Nature Affinity	Assault Rifle	39
165	Cold Domination	Dual Pistols	38
166	Sonic Debuff	Fire Blast	37
167	Poison	Assault Rifle	37
168	Traps	Electrical Blast	34
169	Sonic Debuff	Energy Blast	33
170	Trick Arrow	Fire Blast	32
171	Trick Arrow	Dual Pistols	31
172	Storm Summoning	Beam Rifle	29
173	Thermal Radiation	Assault Rifle	28
174	Trick Arrow	Assault Rifle	28
175	Traps	Water Blast	26
176	Storm Summoning	Assault Rifle	24
177	Sonic Debuff	Ice Blast	23
178	Traps	Dark Blast	22
179	Traps	Energy Blast	22
180	Traps	Radiation Blast	22
181	Cold Domination	Energy Blast	20
182	Traps	Fire Blast	19
183	Traps	Ice Blast	18
184	Sonic Debuff	Assault Rifle	18
185	Trick Arrow	Dark Blast	17
186	Poison	Energy Blast	16
187	Trick Arrow	Sonic Attack	16
188	Trick Arrow	Water Blast	15
189	Trick Arrow	Beam Rifle	14
190	Traps	Psychic Blast	12
191	Trick Arrow	Psychic Blast	11
192	Trick Arrow	Ice Blast	9
193	Trick Arrow	Electrical Blast	5
194	Trick Arrow	Energy Blast	4
195	Trick Arrow	Radiation Blast	3

 

Is Empathy worth having? 

 

Survey says..... DING DING DING DING DING!!!