Scarlet Shocker

Elec blast and generally always had a "good history" - it always "used to be ok" but since forever it's got left behind. It "used to" excel at PVP, but then ED and -End got mitigated. It "used to be" one of the best control sets outside of being a controller but almost any other blast set can claim that title, especially Water. And why play an Elec blaster when you can play an Elec controller now? It "used to be" able to drain an AV's end but there's no chance of that now. In fairness it always "used to" have a useless pet. Some things haven't changed. VS remains roughly as useful as a rubber duck in the Sahara desert. (But that in itself makes it so skippable it relieves a tad amount of pressure on decision processes. I don't know if that's sufficient excuse however.) But it does seem odd that it has this kind of mythical aura (I suspect strongly, that there's a lot of rose tints going on here too) that once upon a time it was very good. But it never has been good in my opinion. Not since 2006 when I first rolled my namesake. But... it is fun. It can do some interesting things, and built right, and played right, it can be a boatload of fun. It's challenging to play one to its best, and that (to me at least) adds to the fun. But maybe that's just my take on things, but I've always been one who roots for the under dog. I've always enjoyed the comic characters who have fewer, weaker powers - in my mind that's what makes them great and although I didn't build Scarlet to be that person (I didn't know how Elec Blast performed in comparison to other powers) it didn't take me too long to realise that's where she lived and one reason she became my main for so many years. Is it worth playing? If you enjoy working hard to get the best out of it, absobloodylutely. If you want to walk into a room and kill all the things before your team arrives, not so much. Does it need close and personal scrutiny by devs (of whom successions have failed to even raise a level of interested awareness of its shortcomings)? Very much so. Is it playable now? Yes it most assuredly is. It doesn't need a huge amount of but it does need some. The relatively recent snipe tweaks have helped Zapp take up a good deal of slack from the set but that's probably true of most snipes. But do something creative wtih the -End (maybe give a % to stun if an opponent's end gets too low, for example, or even better boost the amount of Endurance returned to the player, giving Electric Blasters much higher levels of sustain.) Give it a worthwhile pet, something that earns its crust, and do something wtih the nuke which is pretty horrible. (I spent a decade skipping it because it just wasn't worth the grief of the -End crash and lack of damage.That's been partially resolved but it still deserves more.) Much of how you approach the set is going to depend on what you want from your character, and there's nobody else here can answer that one. Give it a go. You might even like it! Yeah Electric Blast "used to be" a lot of fun. It still is to my mind.

I dislike Incarnates for exactly that reason.

thanks. I didn't know those groups existed. I don't RP that... much! 😄

That would be awesome! What TA powers stack?

no I'm not sure what channels they are?

Might I suggest you post your build here? I'm sure there's a lot of great advice you'd get if you did. Clearly something seems to be disfunctional, given that Beasts is one of the best performing MM sets out there, so if we can see what you're doing then we can maybe give you some insight.

I regularly interact with folks on Pacific time. I'm not saying it's perfect but it often happens 😄 but I think this idea does have legs. I hope we can get a team going

Which is bad because...? 8x OSAs and nobody can move out ofit?

Sadly I think TA is getting a bit of a bum steer here. I think we need to consider where "the worst" is in context. I mean, are we asking "The worst MM to solo?" or "The worst MM in a team?" which I suspect would give different answers. I would think TA doesn't fare well on a solo MM because it lacks proper synergy with any of the pets, but it does have some great bonuses, debuffs and control. The problem is, other stuff does the same thing only better. you know what I'm thinking now though. I think we need to make the shittiest MM team we can and run them from 1-50 without PLing them and see how they fare against Incarnates!

without looking at the build in Mids, I'd suggest that's pretty good. IMO Thermal is an excellent support set and Thugs can be very tough on the bad guys. Thermal gives them shields, and some solid debuffs, so I'd imagine this would work very well for you.

because sometimes wishes come true but not in an expected way. Human thinking is remarkably imprecise.

I have one, The Angel of Mons, which is a very good support toon, but rubbish solo. I've created her as a spin on the legend of her name, see The Bowmen by Arthur Machin, which even now arouses many different emotions and stories in England. Essentially it references the Battle of Agincourt and the English bowmen who scored such a famous victory - so in my interpretation she is an Angelic archer leading an elite squad of the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) to victory. Or she might just be the Goddess of War and ensuring that the war continued... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angels_of_Mons

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I rarely play defenders, I think I've had one 50 in all the time I played the game but this has piqued my interest so I'm giving it a go. Thanks

I don't know. I think a lot depends on the character you build and how you play them.

I'm not a great roleplayer. I mean, I do ok but it's not one of my main drivers and in the past I've gotten into stories so deep I've had to blow them out because I've got nowhere to go. But I do enjoy "light" RP - nothing too intense (I don't wanna get too angsty) but I do enjoy the bonding and the telling of a contiguous story that not only provides fun in and of itself at the time but gives your character an added dimension that the standard levelling process simply doesn't provide. I would really enjoy running a group from level 1 to 50 and beyond and I think I'd also particularly enjoy running Goldside - I think there's a great story to be had, discovering the corruption behind Praetoria, and then discovering the wonders and challenges of Primal Earth. (I did have a fun SG on live, the ultra-Loyalist Praetorian Imperial Secret Service - so I've got form in that area and I believe it's something the devs overlooked in forcing the path they did which channelled every Praetorian into a funnel) I mostly play on Runion, which means if you deduced that I'm on EU time you win a gold star - but I've no objection to playing on any other server at all. So... long story short, if anyone's interested in forming a "Casual" RP group at times I can manage, I'd be really interested in joining

I played a Beasts/Rad MM and I found that to be really tricky because it has no shields to keep your pets alive. It has other compensations and as we know, some wicked debuffs but once a boss starts wailing deteminedly on your minions they've few places to go but down. Try it and see how it works for you

So I was trying to edit a post - and guess what happened next? Colour me extremely annoyed but thanks for all your inputs thus far. Here's a build I've come up with that I'm pretty happy with (on paper at least) - it soft caps to S/L and has not one but two panic buttons which (should) make me almost invincible in a need to run and hide scenario whilst allowing my pets to deal out a rake of good damage and debuffs. Let me know what you think guys, thanks Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.7 https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designer Click this DataLink to open the build! Hot Dogs: Level 50 Natural Mastermind Primary Power Set: Beast Mastery Secondary Power Set: Thermal Radiation Power Pool: Leadership Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Leaping Power Pool: Force of Will Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Summon Wolves -- AchHee-ResDeb%(A), ExpRnf-+Res(Pets)(5), CaltoArm-+Def(Pets)(11), SprCmmoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), SphIns-%ToHit(15) Level 1: Warmth -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(3), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(7), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(15), NmnCnv-Heal(17), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(17) Level 2: Fire Shield -- GldArm-End/Res(A), GldArm-RechRes(21), GldArm-ResDam(23), GldArm-3defTpProc(25) Level 4: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(5), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg(29), LucoftheG-Def(31), LucoftheG-EndRdx/Rchg(46), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(48) Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(7) Level 8: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(9) Level 10: Weaken Resolve -- SphIns-%ToHit(A), AchHee-ResDeb%(11) Level 12: Train Beasts -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 14: Cauterize -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(19), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(19), Prv-Absorb%(27) Level 16: Plasma Shield -- UnbGrd-Max HP%(A), Ags-Psi/Status(21), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx(23), Ags-ResDam/Rchg(27), Ags-EndRdx/Rchg(31) Level 18: Summon Lions -- SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg(A), SprCmmoft-Dmg/EndRdx(33), SprCmmoft-Rchg/PetAoEDef(33), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), SvrRgh-PetResDam(34), EdcoftheM-PetDef(34) Level 20: Project Will -- SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg(A), SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc(25) Level 22: Thaw -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), ImpSki-Status(31), ImpArm-ResPsi(36) Level 24: Fortify Pack -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(29) Level 26: Summon Dire Wolf -- SprMarofS-Dmg(A), SprMarofS-Dmg/EndRdx(36), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg(36), SprMarofS-Acc/EndRdx(37), PcnoftheT--Rchg%(37), AchHee-ResDeb%(37) Level 28: Forge -- GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(34), GssSynFr--Build%(39), GssSynFr--ToHit(39), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(48), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(50) Level 30: Call Ravens -- SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg(A), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx(39), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(40), SprFrzBls-Rchg/ImmobProc(42) Level 32: Unleash Potential -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(42) Level 35: Heat Exhaustion -- Acc-I(A), RechRdx-I(42) Level 38: Melt Armor -- ShlBrk-DefDeb(A), ShlBrk-Acc/DefDeb(43), ShlBrk-Acc/Rchg(43), ShlBrk-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(43), ShlBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(50), ShlBrk-%Dam(50) Level 41: Tame Beasts -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 44: Scorpion Shield -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(45), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(45), Rct-Def/Rchg(45), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Rct-ResDam%(46) Level 47: Power Boost -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48) Level 49: Tactics -- HO:Cyto(A) Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 1: Supremacy Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A) Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(9) Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A) Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(3) Level 1: Alpha Howler Wolf Level 1: Howler Wolf Level 1: Pack Mentality Level 18: Lioness Level 26: Dire Wolf Level 0: Marshal Level 0: Invader ------------ ------------ Set Bonus Totals: 10.5% DamageBuff(Smashing) 10.5% DamageBuff(Lethal) 10.5% DamageBuff(Fire) 10.5% DamageBuff(Cold) 10.5% DamageBuff(Energy) 10.5% DamageBuff(Negative) 10.5% DamageBuff(Toxic) 10.5% DamageBuff(Psionic) 16.63% Defense(Melee) 10% Defense 11.31% Defense(Smashing) 11.31% Defense(Lethal) 19.13% Defense(Fire) 19.13% Defense(Cold) 9.13% Defense(Energy) 9.13% Defense(Negative) 6% Defense(Psionic) 12.25% Defense(Ranged) 35.06% Defense(AoE) 3.75% Enhancement(Max EnduranceDiscount) 35% Enhancement(Accuracy) 6% 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I don't think a Mercs/Rad would be so horrible. If they stay alive long enough you could kill most tough enemies

Don't hold back, say what you really think! We can handle it 😉 I've never understood Petless MMs - deliberately gimping your character seems to be deliberately stupid.

figures, thanks

Many will advise the classic Fire/Kin or Fire/Rad as being the OP trollermonsters - which is true, though I've never played them to high level. I have played many many trollers during my time, and some are so much fun it's not even funny. Some of my most potent have been; Mind/Storm - not much obvious damage but psionics is rarely resisted, and storm is great at throwing stuff about so you can get some very interesting combos. Earth/Thermal - this is exceptionally powerful as a support character, with some amazing debuffs and very solid holds but don't try soloing it - damage is sub par and whilst you can lock down the map you'll get bored tickling your victims to death. Dark/Poison is insane fun. Dark is very potent (even if you don't like the dog) and poison is great at ST debuffs. It also works very well in PVP with an ordinaryPVE build, so you get double bang for buck Fire/TA - very underrated (actually most TA is underrated IMO) as being lots of fun and remarkably good synergy, especially when you get Oil Slick Arrow. Plant/TA as above but with added tentacles and a very solid confuse. Good for soloing. there are many many others, you've got a wide combination of sets to choose from. I'd guess in principle, a controller is a team player. Once the tank's grabbed the aggro you can lock them down, and let everyone else rinse through them. Have many funs with your experimentations. I'm currently levelling my 70s disco queen "Earth Wind & Fire" who is insanely fun and remarkably robust even pre-IOs.

Thanks! So is there any indication of which is which in its description, or do we simply need to know?

Thanks, that's useful. So to be clear (not that I exemplar often) if I then catalyze my procs and special IOs they will work down to 3 levels below their minimum level? or do they just work at every level above 7?

Apologies if I've missed this in the long thread. I must admit a lot of what I read here made my brain melt, but it's incredible info. How do I know if a Proc needs to be in an active power? Is there something in its description (I've not seen anything in Mids or in game) that tells me. What about PReventative Medicine? I do not understand the "If scourge" condition. Does it only work for Cruppers or what?