Focused Feedback: Titan Weapons Revamp

[Jimmy]

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Powerset Revamp: Titan Weapons

Titan Weapons was released less than a year before the game shut down, and never had the opportunity for much follow-up work. The set suffers from two problems. Firstly, the mechanics of the set make the set difficult to get started with. Secondly, when fully built, Titan Weapons massively overperforms compared to other melee set in almost every metric.

 

We've gone ahead and removed the arbitrary bonus damage the set has (bringing it in line with the standard damage formulas) in order to reign in the maximum performance bar the set can hit, whilst also refining the Momentum mechanic and redraw animations in order to reduce the clunkiness of the set.

 

Set Changes

• Removed arbitrary bonus damage from all attacks (roughly 8-10%)
• Now has the same redraw rules as Katana, and will only play an interruptible draw animation under the following conditions:
  • Out of combat
  • Out of range from the target
  • Power still has not recharged
• Whilst Momentum is active, all Titan Weapons attacks will:
  • Recharge 25% faster, with proportional damage and endurance cost reduction per the standard damage formulas
  • Have an additional 25% endurance cost reduction
• Momentum is now granted even if the attack misses all targets

Power Changes

•  Titan Sweep
  • Fast version cast time increased from 1s to 1.1s
•  Follow Through
  • Cast time increased from 1s to 1.1s
  • No longer inflicts additional damage over time
•  Confront / Taunt
  • Cast time reduced from 1.96s to 1.67s
•  Whirling Smash
  • Radius lowered from 15ft to 10ft (however, it remains at 15ft for Tankers)
  • No longer inflicts additional damage over time
•  Arc of Destruction
  • Recharge reduced from 20s to 16s
  • Damage decreased accordingly (per the standard damage formulas)
  • Fast version cast time shortened from 1.5s to 1.37s

[Jimmy]

Build 1 - October 24th, 2020

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Powerset Revamp: Titan Weapons

Titan Weapons was released less than a year before the game shut down, and never had the opportunity for much follow-up work. The set suffers from two problems. Firstly, the mechanics of the set make the set difficult to get started with. Secondly, when fully built, Titan Weapons massively overperforms compared to other melee set in almost every metric.

 

We've gone ahead and removed the arbitrary bonus damage the set has (bringing it in line with the standard damage formulas) in order to reign in the maximum performance bar the set can hit, whilst also refining the Momentum mechanic and redraw animations in order to reduce the clunkiness of the set.

 

Set Changes

• Removed arbitrary bonus damage from all attacks (roughly 8-10%)
• Now has the same redraw rules as Katana, and will only play an interruptible draw animation under the following conditions:
  • Out of combat
  • Out of range from the target
  • Power still has not recharged
• Whilst Momentum is active, all Titan Weapons attacks will:
  • Recharge 25% faster, with proportional damage and endurance cost reduction per the standard damage formulas
  • Have an additional 25% endurance cost reduction
• Momentum is now granted even if the attack misses all targets

Power Changes

•  Titan Sweep
  • Fast version cast time increased from 1s to 1.1s
•  Follow Through
  • Cast time increased from 1s to 1.1s
  • No longer inflicts additional damage over time
•  Confront / Taunt
  • Cast time reduced from 1.96s to 1.67s
•  Whirling Smash
  • Radius lowered from 15ft to 10ft (however, it remains at 15ft for Tankers)
  • No longer inflicts additional damage over time
•  Arc of Destruction
  • Recharge reduced from 20s to 16s
  • Damage decreased accordingly (per the standard damage formulas)
  • Fast version cast time shortened from 1.5s to 1.37s

 

[skoryy]

  On 10/24/2020 at 12:37 PM, Jimmy said:

Momentum is now granted even if the attack misses all targets

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I figured this was coming, but still - on behalf of all tank and brute lovers everywhere - thank you!

[Fink]

Slightly offtopic, sorry

Are the redraw rules going to get ported to other weapons? I could really use it on Staff Melee 🙂

[Galaxy Brain]

Hey all, I've been extensively testing TW along with the other melee set changes on Beta for some time, and rest assured TW is still in a great spot.

 

First off, lets look at the raw results of running every Melee Set available to Scrappers through a custom mission map 10 times each:

 

(The rules of this test are better described here: )

 

 

 

Results on SO's only:

All sets were played with a SO build with /Willpower as a secondary and no pool powers/epics except Combat Jumping, in order to isolate the primary set as much as possible.

 

(except for Claws and Kinetic Melee which were given Overwhelming KD IO's + a lvl 50 damage IO to have the same slotting + knockdown on their ranged cones. These were ran due to the incredibly common practice of slotting for KD, and only 2 melee sets actually "needing" it.)

 

 

Results without the IO in Claws can be seen here:

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As you can see by some of the names, we have been testing these changes internally for quite a while now to make sure things land in the desired spot!

 

Breaking down this chart, each column represents a different aspect:

• AVG = the average clear time of the mission from all 10 runs (minutes : seconds : milliseconds)
• SWING = How far away from the Total Average the set performed
• SD Deviation = Standard Deviation from run to run, measuring how consistently each set performed despite the 10 runs having slightly different mob formations and placements
• BEST TIME = the best run time of the set, shows the max potential
• WORST TIME = the worst run time of the set, shows the minimum potential
• SAFETY = This counts the number of deaths in the 10 runs. A score of 0.50 means that I took substantial damage but never died, a 0.00 means I was practically invincible!
• SAFETY ADJ = Each point in the Safety column is multiplied by 20 seconds, and then added to the average to show an Adjusted Safety Average.

 

With those all factored in, we can rank the sets against each other on more than just the average clear time:

 

 

From left to right, we have the results with Claws KD, Claws "Pure", and the average between the two. 

 

As we can see, in a "Pure" SO test, TW is still on top thanks to stellar safety and consistency, and even with Claws getting a big bump with Knockdown (again, incredibly common slotting) it still hands with the top sets. Averaged between the two with all factors considered, it is still a top tier pick at base though more competitive with the rest of the pack instead of dominating.

 

 

 

 

Now, lets see how this changes when we jump to an IO build:

 

Results on a "Mid Level" IO Build:

All sets were played with a n IO build with no purples, winter sets, or "special" procs beyond a single Damage Proc like Mako's or Obliteration that *any* Melee attack could slot. 

All sets achieved 72.5% global recharge (142.5% most of the time with Hasten up, only a 20s cooldown there). 

All sets had the normal uniques like Numina, Kismet, etc slotted

All sets ran the tests at +3/x5 difficulty

 

 

With recharge and procs thrown into the mix, the top sets become a LOT closer in clear times, and safety really isn't a concern outside of Energy Melee where rapid ET's kinda hurt lol.

 

Like above, lets see how all the factors weigh in:

 

Like above, lets see how all the factors weigh in:

 

 

TW is the "bottom" of top tier, but the margins are so close that with more than 10 tests a piece I'm sure they'd all be near dead even! 

 

 

Combined Results:

 

 

Between SO's and mid level IO testing, with nearly 100 runs of TW with every iteration requiring a re-do, I think it is safe to say that the benchmarks for TW are where they should be where it is still a top-performer with it's own playstyle and niche (Mainly safety) where it's within striking range of all the other top performers instead of being well above them. 

 

 

Lets compare to the LIVE Titan Weapons real quick:

 

SO's

 

IO's

 

Using identical builds 10 times each, the new version of TW was indeed SLOWER, but the consistency per run was wayyyyyy better! While not noted here, the end costs were also a non-issue on the new version compared to live which is a huge plus as well.

 

 

Overall? This redesign does reign Titan Weapons back into "Top Tier" instead of "Titan Tier", but in exchange improves the fluidity and ease of access for the set in a wonderful way, which I see as a net win.

 

Edited October 27, 2020 by Galaxy Brain

[Cinnder]

  On 10/24/2020 at 12:37 PM, Jimmy said:

• Now has the same redraw rules as Katana

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This doesn't propagate the invisible weapon bug from katana to titan weapons, does it?

[Tsuko]

Pylon runs with my favorite Page 5 build in beta server / patch 1 : Pylons kill from 1m08 to 1m20

 

TW / bio scrapper / T4 assaut (not click) / T4 muscu, ageless, degen.

 

1) 1m25 : feeling is diferent

2) 1m19 : i notice some real long momentum 

3) 1m12 : i still dont know what is diferent but the rotation feels much more fluid but damage seems less powerfull than before.

 

Conclusion : why should i bother with TW now when WM is much more easier to build / play and Rad provide top debuff AND a heal with same damage.

 

Note 1 : it s a page 5 build so maybe with a new build...

Note 2 : endurance consum is very nice : on live my build can detoggle with sprint and superspeed for long fights (more than 1m30), on beta, i can keep both and ageless is enough to keep stam at 100%

Edited October 24, 2020 by Tsuko

[ScarySai]

  On 10/24/2020 at 5:33 PM, Cinnder said:

 

This doesn't propagate the invisible weapon bug from katana to titan weapons, does it?

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That bug predates the katana redraw changes, so I doubt it. There's something else broken there.

[Galaxy Brain]

  On 10/24/2020 at 5:42 PM, Tsuko said:

Conclusion : why should i bother with TW now when WM is much more easier to build / play and Rad provide top debuff AND a heal with same damage.

 

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Well, if you're doing anything other than killing Pylons it's still fun 🙂

[Cinnder]

  On 10/24/2020 at 5:49 PM, ScarySai said:

That bug predates the katana redraw changes, so I doubt it. There's something else broken there.

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Fingers crossed...!

[Maxzero]

  On 10/24/2020 at 5:42 PM, Tsuko said:

Pylon runs with my favorite Page 5 build in beta server / patch 1 : Pylons kill from 1m08 to 1m20

 

TW / bio scrapper / T4 assaut (not click) / T4 muscu, ageless, degen.

 

1) 1m25 : feeling is diferent

2) 1m19 : i notice some real long momentum 

3) 1m12 : i still dont know what is diferent but the rotation feels much more fluid but damage seems less powerfull than before.

 

Conclusion : why should i bother with TW now when WM is much more easier to build / play and Rad provide top debuff AND a heal with same damage.

 

Note 1 : it s a page 5 build so maybe with a new build...

Note 2 : endurance consum is very nice : on live my build can detoggle with sprint and superspeed for long fights (more than 1m30), on beta, i can keep both and ageless is enough to keep stam at 100%

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So yay or nay on TW now?

 

I have held off making TW firstly because it was FotM and then the incoming nerfs.

Edited October 24, 2020 by Maxzero

[ScarySai]

Play it and provide feedback and ideas to improve it, don't just accept it for what it currently is.

[Galaxy Brain]

Also play in different content than Pylons, that is an incredibly narrow viewpoint for any set.

[Kanil]

  

doin' some pyloning right now so excuse the mess 'cuz i'm just gonna chaospost the times i'm getting.

 

one of the big factors of the TW changes is how the optimal strings are changed - rather than having to juggle anything you can basically just do FT-RA-AOD-FT-RA over and over again which is kinda hilarious i guess.

 

but since a lot of TW's damage came from maximizing optimal strings, judging strings 1:1 seems weird, but i figure i'd throw them out there as a reference for a few shots.

 

 

testing the string i currently do on live yields:

1m48s

1m49s

2m2s

1m49s

1m44s

1m49s

 

 

testing possible new optimal string based off understanding of old move properties (basically maximimze RA->FT use):

(bm-> ft->ra->aod->ft->ra->aod->ft into ra->ft->aod->cb->ft)

1m46s

1m46s

1m42s

1m55s

1m58s

 

testing w/ using alternate string using crushing blow crit (CB->FT->RA->AOD -wait- non-momentum CB)

1m37s

1m41s

1m33s

 

...maybe not so optimal, haha.

 

i'd imagine a lot of the difference in the build between the one tsuko is using and mine relates to a heavier use of procs on the moves to retain the damage that was originally just done through the set itself - the primary source of damage on the live version is from crit FT/RA, which appears to be heavily lowered.

 

i also noticed that crushing blow appears to have it's non-momentum activation time roughly halved? it's significantly faster than live, because it's messing with my strings quite a bit (due to how fast it is, hilariously). due to that and the way momentum reduces damage at the moment, it seems that the best way to increase damage on my bio scrapper build specifically is to have the non-momentum version of crushing blow crit/proc as much as possible. feels backwards, but what can ya do?

 

comparison to prior pylon times on the same build in the pylon thread proper:
 

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  On 10/1/2020 at 12:35 PM, Kanil said:

really hate not having vid evidence of this, but yeah.

been sitting on a tw/bio scrapper for awhile but i didn't really like them because i couldn't adapt my tw/bio brute's string over so it always felt awkward playing them vs st stuff on top of all the issues tw has when teams are really movin'.

 

finally bothered to work out some st strings - if things go south it starts being not very fixed and very flexible and just based on tw playtime knowledge in maximizing output and ATO use.

wanted to get some stuff in before tw gets nerfed as a direct comparison point, because i think that tw will likely be nerfed to be worse than WM out of memery and the vibe i get from what the devs think about melee powersets.

 

T3 total core muscle, T3 total core degen, T3 total radial, T4 ageless core (if this ever dips past the 1m30s mark your end bottoms out asap, so these are not sustainable in long term without usage of something like recovery serum)

times:

note my timing method is insanely flawed and is actually just based on the destiny timer. i just count whenever i hit it.
 

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to define, "missed FT" is FT not being available in the string as to finish the non-momentum string. whiff is ingame "miss"

 

55s - proper stringing

1m14s - failure to string properly

1m2s - string alternating a few times to inferior variations based on FF going off

3m20s -  extreme string failure - multiple misses in a row and recovery string adding whirling smash as filler caused end to bottom out and toggles to de-toggle

1m26s - whiff causing string failure, shifting to inferior string

1m15s - failure to string properly

54s - proper string

1m13s- failure to string properly

1m7s - proper string, but crushing blow whiffed after initial string- shifted to titan sweep and recovered normally after

1m13s -  3+ missed follow throughs

1m12s - 2 missed follow throughs, 1 whiffed cb leading to titan sweep recovery

1m30s - 4+ missed follow throughs and 1 whiffed CB going into TS recovery

1m7s - 1 missed FT

1m2 - attempted alternate starter using FT->AOD instead of FT->RA->AOD

1m20s -  1 missed follow through, 1 whiff on CB

1m18s -  1 missed FT, 1 whiff on CB

1m24s -  3 missed FT

1m8s - 1 missed FT

1m5s - 3 missed FT

59s - 1 missed FT

1m9s - 2 missed FT

1m30s - 4 missed FT

 

ALT slotting (replace touch of death in FT with makos dmg/rech)

1m14s - initial FT and RA whiffed

1m - 1 missed FT

1m - 1 missed FT

58s - proper string

1m20s - proper string (the fuck? wasn't looking at whiffs, so probably lots of whiffs)

1m10s - 2 missed FT, at least 1 whiffed FT during string

1m11s - 1 missed FT

1m7s - 1 missed FT, 1 whiffed CB

53s - proper string

1m12s - proper string, but whiffed AOD and FT

58s - string went insanely wonky here but was on track to be 50s until multiple whiffs at the end while BM was up. suggests possible more optimal string.

1m5s - 1 missed FT

and heres where i stopped because dropship zapped me

 

 

 

the string concept goes as such:

build momentum starter:
follow through->rend armor->arc of destruction->follow through->crushing blow->rend armor->follow through

 

which goes into the general non-momentum string:
crushing blow->follow through->rend armor->arc of destruction->follow through

 

whenever build momentum is up and follow through is up, you do the following string:

FT->RA->CB->FT->AOD->RA->FT

 

if build momentum is up, and FT and AOD are both up then you do the starter string. recover with titan sweep on non-momentum string, substituting CB starter for TS.

this is more or less pylon/av/eb exclusive and not for general purpose but that's usually the nature of this stuff anyways, right?

you can notice a pattern that most strings are failed, because the nature of the build requires that FF +rech goes off on AOD to actually complete it on the initial string.

a lot of deviation/recovery seems to lie in how much the set really wants FF to go off to increase the amount of times BM can be done.

 

if you delay doing CB a bit so FT has some time to recharge on the initial BM string if FF doesn't go off, you can consistently get better results as far as i can tell. on top of this, there is theoretically a better string for BM where if AOD is up and FT is ABOUT to be up and will be up within the span of the BM anim (so, FT->BM->FT->AOD->RA->FT, etc.) but a dropship zapped me while testing it and i decided to make breakfast instead.

 

ato is on AoD, which is 3 slot arma, 1 slot ff, 1 slot glad -res, 1 slot ato crit strikes.

 

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note that i've know someone who was sayin' he consistently was getting sub-50s times on tw/bio scrappers with t4s but it's from a long time ago. they're trustworthy enough to me so i figure there's a broader world out there. tw having so many things coming together is what makes it interesting from a mechanical level, with the obscene output making it satisfying instead of the 'what the fuck was the point of all that when i can just hit 3 attacks as WM/kat' feel that other mechanic-heavy sets like psi melee have

 

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as for "non-pylon content" shit, i always run +4/x8 tests using the trapdoor mission from mender ramiel on my builds to get a good feel for their overall power level since it seems like more or less a decent standard - it's got mostly council/arachnos, a simple layout, and an EB who is just beefy enough at the end of the map, gotta carry some yellows due to the blind, but otherwise it feels pretty consistent for a power gauge.

 

i'll run some testin' for that as well, but i never kept record for that since i really wanted to make a thread where folks could showcase their builds doin' general runthroughs of that with vids (as to make sure the standards line up).

 

so far a sliiiightly standard tw/bio build (vs. nihlii's proc-based build) got dumpstered pretty bad in the ST department. it's producing results that are worse than proc'd out broadsword and a standard katana build by a large margin. the nerf to damage in momentum seems to be the biggest culprit, but that's up to folks who pay more attention than me

 

 

[Galaxy Brain]

  On 10/24/2020 at 6:39 PM, Kanil said:

as for "non-pylon content"

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That mission is a good test as it hits a lot of different criteria!

 

I only harp on pylons as the ST dps vs one has limited applications in nearly any given mission, which is what the game is made of.

[Tsuko]

  On 10/24/2020 at 6:59 PM, Galaxy Brain said:

That mission is a good test as it hits a lot of different criteria!

 

I only harp on pylons as the ST dps vs one has limited applications in nearly any given mission, which is what the game is made of.

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I will be Cristal clear : i love my scrapper to be the "big thing" killer, the AV destroyer.

 

I dont give a f..k to normal mission or content.

 

She's a tool for power, so as any tool if she will not be the best tool on live : i ll scavenge her IO+5 on her 3 builds and use them to create another better tool, whatever AT or build it could be.

 

Power is life,....

 

[Galaxy Brain]

If you like ST, then why not use a stalker?

[DrunkFlux]

 

I thought i'd share this using a power analyzer.  To those who are wondering, this is the reason people are using pylons to test the viability of sets regarding single target damage.  The resistance is the same across the board.

 

This does mean a lot of those sets, especially C and below, do need a buff to single target and are in fact vastly underperforming compared to S, A and B tiers.  Very disappointed to see street justice at the bottom, makes me think I should shelf the bio/street justice character (yes, performance does matter to me a lot, no, i'm not someone who only uses the best of the best like someone else admits to here).  Maybe i'll reroll her as a bio/titan.  Also makes me strongly reconsider dual blades(in a bad way).  This also makes me think of another point; how are sets being played with attack chains?  Are you in this test making sure to use on high priority highest damage/activation time whenever possible?  I mean, not all sets have a consistent chain to them, especially in SO range.

 

And what about AoE testing?

Edited October 24, 2020 by LaughingAlex

[skoryy]

  On 10/24/2020 at 8:24 PM, LaughingAlex said:

This does mean a lot of those sets, especially C and below, do need a buff to single target and are in fact vastly underperforming compared to S, A and B tiers.

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@Galaxy Brain's ratings aren't by pylon speed times, though. They're running actual missions and factoring in clearing time and faceplants.  Energy Melee is a 'C' set and that's with the new buffs making it a single target powerhouse, primarily from the ET HP drain and its emphasis on single target over AoE.

Edited October 24, 2020 by skoryy

[Kanil]

trapdoor testing, same build as above:

rules are basically the same shit as pylons: destiny OK, no judgement, assault off, only insp allowed is yellow (for blind because lol night widows/tarantula mistresses). kill everything except the pop-up guns (this skews ranged too much results-wise),

 

start the timer on pre-combat destiny. stop  timer when trapdoor goes blue.

 

the reason i always wanted vids is because player skill/positioning and enemy management are factors that come into play for live play and in this mission, and often times discrepancies can be accounted for based on that.

 

beta:

6m42s - initial run, had to get used to new AOE string/remember the feel.

5m12s

5m22s

6m7s (enemy scattering)

6m1s (spent time healing due to -def from t.mistresses)

5m42s (the hell is with all the x:x2 enders?)

 

live:

5m24s

4m48s

4m51s

4m54s

5m18s

 

mission wouldn't reset so ended here but i'm pretty sure i can dip into the lower 4m times on ideal runs - all of the runs on live had a lot of hitches from healing, blind and enemy scattering.

 

for reference, i ran a quick test on my ba/bio scrapper and got a time of 5m44s, which is above average but not 'great' as my fortunata and ice/bio chars  tend to get around 5m to sub 5m times as well.

 

immediate impressions are that the QOL changes are really notable, as is the buff to crushing blow (if it's intentional?)) - playing on the test server in terms of 'strings' feels a lot smoother because of the drastically increased recharge times, but the actual attacks themselves are significantly worse by a large margin. so it's weaker, but smoother (as intended).

 

the actual scale of the damage loss is pretty significant as far as i can tell - a large part of it is that crit strikes-> whirling smash as an opener doesn't wipe out most of the crowd so you end up having to chase enemies around more since they'll start scattering due to the lowered radius on whirling smash.

 

 

Edited October 24, 2020 by Kanil

[DrunkFlux]

  On 10/24/2020 at 8:31 PM, skoryy said:

@Galaxy Brain's ratings aren't by pylon speed times, though. They're running actual missions and factoring in clearing time and faceplants.  Energy Melee is a 'C' set and that's with the new buffs making it a single target powerhouse, primarily from the ET HP drain and its emphasis on single target over AoE.

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Means even more that sets on such a low tier need a buff then.  Especially some of those that are meant to be good AoE sets like dual blades.  Though people should be considerate of enemy mob resistance ratings.

 

But AoE sets generally clear groups faster.  But theres also I guess issues with practicality, my street justice character, understand I LOVE the animations, they are quick and feel practical but the whole "combo" mechanic has a comparable problem to dual blades, forcing attacks in situations where they make little sense imo and gameplay wise it becomes impractical sometimes.  So that could also be cutting performance down drastically.

[Kanil]

for reference, just tested a few trapdoor runs with kat/bio as well and was hitting around 5m30~s on those runs (with huge fuckups!), so beta tw is also worse than kat/bio in the aoe department as well, meaning it's overall output is worse than that set too.

 

ofc, it has more mitigation but those kat/bio runs included having to deal with healing more/using parasitic aura more anyways

Edited October 24, 2020 by Kanil

[@Ghost]

Just some quick thoughts after a pair of Borea mission runs on beta with my TW/Bio Scrapper just copied from live. I didn't time them, but I tried a +2x8 and a +4x8 just to get some ~actual play~ experience.

 

- Damage reduction is really noticeable all around, but really noticeable at +4. Safe to say that it feels like everything's kinda gone up in enemy rank (lieutenant kill time feels like old boss kill time, etc.)

- Whirling Smash's usability feels much worse and the radius doesn't really seem to line up with the animation anymore?

- Titan Sweep's damage/animation timing feels off in the fast version, probably because of the animation time change.

- I didn't really notice the end/recharge with Momentum. I guess this is mostly for the low end of builds but it didn't seem to impact my playstyle much at all.

- The redraw mechanic works really well from my bit of testing. It also seems to fix some damage timing issues with redraw during Momentum, which is great!

- Whiffs still giving you momentum is a huge QoL boost and I really like that, but...

 

The one change that threw me off more than anything else is the Crushing Blow change. It's non-momentum time is significantly faster and makes the whole set flow much better. I don't know if the change is intended or not since it's not listed, but if it isn't? Yikes. If it is, I find it pretty restricting that it's basically "use CB first or you're doing it wrong." Requiring a hit for Momentum to activate meant it could be smarter to use Titan Sweep to avoid whiffs and "guarantee" Momentum by rolling against a bunch of targets. Now there's not really any thought in the matter. I dunno if giving Titan Sweep a faster activation too is the solution, but right now it feels like you just might as well wait for CB even in AOE situations.

 

edit: and while it's on my mind, I'd really appreciate AoD being usable while flying. At the very least while near the ground like similar powers.

Edited October 24, 2020 by @Ghost

[MAH]

"Firstly, the mechanics of the set make the set difficult to get started with. Secondly, when fully built, Titan Weapons massively overperforms compared to other melee set in almost every metric."

 

My perception of this was that the game developers intended to reward players for learning how to manage a relatively clunky set. Taking the skill requirements away from sets destroys any sense of pride in specialization, practice, or mastery. I view City of Heroes as a relatively easy game and the skill needed to run Titan Weapons at a high level was something that allowed players to stand out from others.

 

Having tested the newer version of Titan Weapons I do not see any value-added reasons to play this set over any other set. I believe that continuing to make changes with this style of thinking will lead to a game where each and every character within an AT will play too similarly to one another and powersets will be differentiated only by visuals. 

 

I have enjoyed City of Heroes for the past 16 years, but a game where practice has no impact on performance is a game that I will tire of very quickly. 

[JayboH]

Honestly I am happy to see how understanding the community has been in this thread so far.

 

A lot of power players knew how OP the set was and officially publicly have known nerfs were coming since April. 

 

Constructive feedback is great.