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Just saw the first episode of Hawkeye.   Gonna watch the second on Thanksgiving Day to drag it out just a bit, so if I make a comment that doesn't jive with ep. 2 reveals, which some of you've already seen, you'll know why.

 

Thoughts:

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Liked it overall.

 

1. Good 2012 backstory.  I was curious to know whether the house set was built to shake as a practical effect, or whether it was done by CGI.

 

2. That wine bottle was almost as durable as the Hulk.

 

3. Having a little trouble suspending belief on a blade with no seam retracting into a handle that is smaller than it.

 

4. That has to be the fastest college security guard in history.

 

5.  Not my own thought but I LOL at the sad realization:  YouTube channel Blind Wave pointed out that Hawkeye fights to save NYC and people thank him with a free big expensive dinner when he visits.  Falcon fights Thanos to save the universe and can't get a loan in his hometown.

 

6. Why does every staged musical involving Steve Rogers turn out so awkward?

 

7. Going way out on a limb here:  I never read the comic book on which this Hawkeye series was based, and I know at least that there was a dog, but I find it very peculiar that the MCU dog  just happened to attack the tracksuit mobster right when he finds the watch from Avengers Headquarters.  Its almost like the dog has a higher intelligence and understood the significance of that find.  Shoot-from-the-hip crazy thought: maybe the MCU dog is actually one of Fury's Skrull friends?  That doesn't seem to explain his confusion in traffic, however.  Hmm... 🤔

 

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6. Why does every staged musical involving Steve Rogers turn out so awkward?

[FX: very Noo Yawk accent].. you should see what they did to the other guy.

 

 

 

IMHO, the whole musical sequence is supposed to feel painfully bad - they deliberately aimed for Springtime For Hitler levels of cringe - because:

  • All the other Avengers were invited. Clint's the only one that turns up, partly since three of the others are dead. Awks.
  • Seeing a Broadwayized Natasha singing and dancing on stage is not going to be fun for Clint.
  • Quite possibly parodying Turn Off The Dark and the general trend for remaking properties as musicals.
    Not that Marvel won't do it if they think there's a buck in it...
     

7 .Going way out on a limb here...maybe the MCU dog is actually one of Fury's Skrull friends? 

In the comics, Lucky is just a Very Good Boy who likes pizza, is unusually smart, and formerly belonged to the Tracksuit Mafia who were mean to him. Clint is kind just by default, and Lucky's unexpected loyalty helps Clint not just fight crime but rebuild his sense of self and ability to form relationships. Being a serial rescue pet owner myself, I'm fully aware they rescue you back. Given everything Clint's been through, that might be enough to build on.

 

It also seems that Lucky is already blind in one eye in the series, so he doesn't have to go through what they put him and Clint through in the comics to earn the name.
We hope. Because that would need tissues.

 

But that all said... 

...this is the MCU, not the comic books, so all bets are off. Skrulls can also impersonate more or less anything with practice from cows to hatstands, or anything without complex moving parts (think Terminator 2's T-1000). I'm not sure how a Skrull would take to life as a Goldie, but I'd probably enjoy it. And get horribly fat begging for treats.

 

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Very Good Edit for a Very Good Boy

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I liked the first two eps so far, but yeah, I wish they revealed a little more about Lucky to give some context (even if it would be a red herring) as to why he randomly attacked the tracksuit guy. Bigger question: why are these guys after Cap's old watch (I'm assuming that's what they were after based on context)?

 

I also like that Kate isn't a total Sue. She's strong, has some skills (which you see she earned in that amazing title sequence), and is fairly astute... but she also gets in over her head, makes dumb decisions, and doesn't realise that everyone is playing her like a fiddle.

 

I don't mind the lack of action, as I prefer the character development and world building they've done. I like the small scale and personal stakes they've set up here, and, unlike in TFatWS, there's good reason for Clint to not want to call in any fellow Avengers (like seriously, where was War Machine when all those senators were being held hostage by Super Soldiers?).

 

Looking forward to the rest of the episodes 🙂

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wait, I'm wearing a track suit right now in real life.. jewelry free tho, just to clarify.

"Homecoming is not perfect but it is still better than the alternative.. at least so far" - Unknown  (Wise words Unknown!)

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15 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

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6. Why does every staged musical involving Steve Rogers turn out so awkward?

[FX: very Noo Yawk accent].. you should see what they did to the other guy.

 

 

 

IMHO, the whole musical sequence is supposed to feel painfully bad - they deliberately aimed for Springtime For Hitler levels of cringe - because:

  • All the other Avengers were invited. Clint's the only one that turns up, partly since three of the others are dead. Awks.
  • Seeing a Broadwayized Natasha singing and dancing on stage is not going to be fun for Clint.
  • Quite possibly parodying Turn Off The Dark and the general trend for remaking properties as musicals.
    Not that Marvel won't do it if they think there's a buck in it...
     

7 .Going way out on a limb here...maybe the MCU dog is actually one of Fury's Skrull friends? 

In the comics, Lucky is just a Very Good Boy who likes pizza, is unusually smart, and formerly belonged to the Tracksuit Mafia who were mean to him. Clint is kind just by default, and Lucky's unexpected loyalty helps Clint not just fight crime but rebuild his sense of self and ability to form relationships. Being a serial rescue pet owner myself, I'm fully aware they rescue you back. Given everything Clint's been through, that might be enough to build on.

 

It also seems that Lucky is already blind in one eye in the series, so he doesn't have to go through what they put him and Clint through in the comics to earn the name.
We hope. Because that would need tissues.

 

But that all said... 

...this is the MCU, not the comic books, so all bets are off. Skrulls can also impersonate more or less anything with practice from cows to hatstands, or anything without complex moving parts (think Terminator 2's T-1000). I'm not sure how a Skrull would take to life as a Goldie, but I'd probably enjoy it. And get horribly fat begging for treats.

 

 

I've seen the 2nd episode now, so I'm caught up.

 

I commented mostly with humorous intent on the musical, as in "poor Steve can't catch a break", but then I saw the video you dropped and... wow, uhh..oh dear. 

 

Though I'd be delighted to find my wild guess on the dog panning out, there's a little thing called Occam's Razor, and your explanation of the dog's tragic origin fits it very well for explaining why he did a targeted attack.  We've just not seen that explanation on screen yet.

 

as to episode 2:

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1. I like that Clint has a hearing problem.  His character in the MCU has always been the poster example of the mortal side of the superhero gig. and this extends it by showing permanent cost.  What surprises me, though, is that he only has a single hearing aid.  You'd think Pepper Potts and Stark Industries would make certain he has TWO hearing aids and of the best quality, which probably means hidden or near hidden ones.

 

2.  I like Kate.  I think she'll ultimately prove a worthy replacement to the aging, wanting-to-settle Clint.  That said, they're writing her a bit inconsistent right now.  She's razor sharp at spotting the lie behind the mustache, but then is incredibly naive at standing on glass rooftops and other assorted things that get her into trouble.  Ultimately, I'm sure I'll like her all the way, unless they continue writing the character with this situational naivety.

 

3.  I've read the rumors regarding Kate's mum.  If what they say are true, I'm starting to wonder if there's a very different story to how the events of 2012 played out in the family home during the attack.

 

4. Why isn't Barton bringing in help?  If he needed a safehouse, there's no way a tracksuit mafia is going to find its way into 177A Bleecker Street.  And the good doctor or Wong could probably incinerate the Ronin suit, or drop it in the Himalayans, for that matter.

 

5.  The Larping event was fun, even if over-the-top stupid.  Hawkeye is recognized, states that the outfit was stolen, and the woman's excuse for not letting him pass is that many of the larpers are cops?  Hello! Stolen outfit. They'd be the first to back him, I'd think.  And while on that subject, the fireman just helps himself with the tenant not home and considers this totally justified?  The writing is more than a tad sloppy here.  That said, the idea of sending the former Ronin in to cross a field of "combatants" with plastic weapons is hilarious.  I would have loved it if he didn't hold back and quickly eliminated every opponent in his path to Grills, rather than batting several aside.  His 360 cut though was fabulous.

 

6.  I'm really hoping the 3rd episode shows the NYPD as competent as they move to question Kate.  Between the Larping comments (see point 5) and the fact that a mafia in obvious tracksuits can gather 3 times in the streets, twice with major attacks, and not have any police resistance is a bit undermining of the NYPD.   But we'll probably get something more like Jimmy Woo was in his first outing in the MCU. (Really glad they made him competent, even somewhat brilliant in WandaVision.)

 

7.  Ending on a positive note, I really like that Clint is shown to be immediately a protective dad figure to Kate, going so far as to help her redress her wounds as if he was instructing his own daughter.  I've heard all the criticisms over the years that he's just a guy with a bow and arrows, but this is really whom he is:  the guy that sticks with his charge, no matter how frustrated or weary.  He's not the rock star (Stark) or the idealized hero on a pedestal (Rogers), he's the quiet hero, the down-to-earth role model.  I also really like how he doesn't appear to hold secrets from his wife.  He trusts her.  (And I really like that she merits that trust.)

 

 

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So far I'm loving Hawkeye. I love how, even though this is clearly setting up a passing of the torch, Kate's obvious talented is nonetheless dwarfed by Clint's experience. This is the best example of his quiet competence that we've seen in the MCU thus far.

 

I'm also glad that the series is kind of a fond farewell to Natasha, from Clint's reaction to her portrayal in the musical to him using one of her favorite plans in episode two. I wasn't wowed by the Black Widow movie so it's nice to see her getting some love here.

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On 11/25/2021 at 10:48 PM, Ulysses Dare said:

... even though this is clearly setting up a passing of the torch,

I wonder how much it actually is, though.  Clearly with a movie every 2 to 3 years Renner wouldn't be able to play the character much longer as an action hero, but if they're building a Young Avengers, as seems very apparent, they're going to need a couple of things:  1) a base. SHIELD is gone (unless they acknowledge a rebuilding, as in the "Agents of..." series), Avengers tower was sold, and Avengers HQ is a pile of rubble.  Clint has the connections to look into getting another base.   2) Mentorship.  The young'ns need someone to show them the way.  Now that could be Bucky and Captain Falcon America, but Clint might make a good coach from the base situation room while Sam quarterbacks.  I guess it depends on how interested Renner is in exploring the character's sunset.

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23 hours ago, Techwright said:

Clint might make a good coach from the base situation room while Sam quarterbacks.  I guess it depends on how interested Renner is in exploring the character's sunset.

That would be a great way to keep the character around without expecting Renner to keep playing an action hero while in his 50s. Nobody wants a repeat of Indiana Jones IV, after all. And he's got the world-weary mentor persona down cold.

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That would make sense. I'm still hankering after a proper take

On 11/27/2021 at 4:46 AM, Techwright said:

 2) Mentorship.  The young'ns need someone to show them the way.  Now that could be Bucky and Captain Falcon America, but Clint might make a good coach from the base situation room while Sam quarterbacks.  I guess it depends on how interested Renner is in exploring the character's sunset.

 

I'd very much like that both for Barton and Renner.  A kind of anchor/Coulson/Nate Ford role would suit both their talents very well.

 

On a slight side note, I'm still slightly hankering after Marvel doing Thunderbolts on D+. It's a bit much to stack in a movie, the episodic structure would suit it well, and D+ writers seem to be given enough freedom to throw a few surprises at us. (Though given the source material, is it really a twist if you're EXPECTING to be thrown twists or...) Plus there's plenty of room for redemption arcs, a wide range of characters (with a few obvious adjustments, I'd loooove to play Fixer) and more ZemoBoogieTime.

 

 

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4 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 (Though given the source material, is it really a twist if you're EXPECTING to be thrown twists or...)

 

 

I'd say "yes, yes it is".  A good example is Marvel's own "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.".  The Whedon style is full of twists, some of them quite shocking, and fans expected it when watching "Agents...".  They were not disappointed.

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On 11/29/2021 at 3:30 AM, Techwright said:

I'd say "yes, yes it is".  A good example is Marvel's own "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.".  The Whedon style is full of twists, some of them quite shocking, and fans expected it when watching "Agents...".  They were not disappointed.

 

Definitely started expecting some of them.

(I mean, did Clark just really enjoy a good death scene, or what..?)

 

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